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Terrell Gates
Posts: 1,027
Santa Fe, New Mexico, US


Look at their Portfolio... If it looks like serious Fine Art nude photography you can feel pretty comfortable... If it's not don't bother... You won't find anything on my portfolio that even hints at pornography...

www.nudespoetic.com
Aug 26 12 09:53 am  Link  Quote 
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David J Martin
Posts: 451
Amberg, Bavaria, Germany


Check this MM article out.  It has some information that I think you benefit from:
http://www.modelmayhem.com/education/mo … nal-manner

The title is "How to deal with unprofessional behavior in a professional manner"
Aug 26 12 10:50 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Babydoll123
Posts: 2
Snellville, Georgia, US


There are some people here who felt like being rude. Why? I'm nor sure I don't know you and you don't know me theres no reason to be rude honestly. Regardless when I say tricked I mean it starts off as someone saying it's art then I ask for there work and some bitch is getting a train ran on her I want to avoid all that. It was advice I was looking for not someone trying to be a rude smart ass because they think there the shit. hmm
Aug 27 12 03:44 am  Link  Quote 
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Dimitrio
Posts: 1,000
Nassau, New Providence, Bahamas


Yes, do your research on what is artistic photography.  Look at sample work of any photographer offering that genre.  If there work fits what you understand as artistic then work with that.
Aug 27 12 03:55 am  Link  Quote 
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Dimitrio
Posts: 1,000
Nassau, New Providence, Bahamas


Babydoll123 wrote:
There are some people here who felt like being rude. Why? I'm nor sure I don't know you and you don't know me theres no reason to be rude honestly. Regardless when I say tricked I mean it starts off as someone saying it's art then I ask for there work and some bitch is getting a train ran on her I want to avoid all that. It was advice I was looking for not someone trying to be a rude smart ass because they think there the shit. hmm

It's the internet "Babydoll".  Just as you go outside you home and bump into many different people who will say any or everything encouraging or discouraging you have to take both.  Decipher what you can use and discard the rest.

Aug 27 12 03:58 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DMesser Photography
Posts: 1,288
Oceanside, California, US


Babydoll123 wrote:
There are some people here who felt like being rude. Why? I'm nor sure I don't know you and you don't know me theres no reason to be rude honestly. Regardless when I say tricked I mean it starts off as someone saying it's art then I ask for there work and some bitch is getting a train ran on her I want to avoid all that. It was advice I was looking for not someone trying to be a rude smart ass because they think there the shit. hmm

A few, got some fun out of being tricked into porn.  So, instead of discarding these and taking the good advice given by the others you decide to be rude also.  Take advantage of the good advice and don't  worry about the rest.  It is a part of MM.

Aug 27 12 07:47 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
RME Digital Photography
Posts: 264
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US


Augustine York wrote:
I don't know how you can be tricked into doing porn. You either say yes and do it or say no and don't do it. Very easy.

+1

Posts like this always confuse me.  How does one get "tricked" into shooting something they don't want to shoot?

Aug 27 12 07:54 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
RME Digital Photography
Posts: 264
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US


Babydoll123 wrote:
There are some people here who felt like being rude. Why? I'm nor sure I don't know you and you don't know me theres no reason to be rude honestly. Regardless when I say tricked I mean it starts off as someone saying it's art then I ask for there work and some bitch is getting a train ran on her I want to avoid all that. It was advice I was looking for not someone trying to be a rude smart ass because they think there the shit. hmm

How is that getting tricked exactly?  You asked for an example of their work, you didn't like what you saw, so you don't work with that person.  I'd say you didn't get tricked.

Aug 27 12 07:58 am  Link  Quote 
Model
The Original Sin
Posts: 13,894
Louisville, Kentucky, US


Augustine York wrote:

Yes, because if OP goes to a shoot alone she might accidentally start doing porn. Best be sure there's someone there to stop her just in case lol

neutral

Yep.  I know DOZENS of girls who were just going along, minding their own business, doing an art nude shoot and BAM!  Slipped and fell right into a gangbang.  Totally accidentally. 

neutral

OP- it's simple.  You say "Sorry, not comfortable with X, Y, Z.  My limit is A, B, C."

Aug 27 12 09:04 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Random One
Posts: 35
Canton, Michigan, US


For one, a good way to avoid posing for pornographic photographers is to look at the work they've previously done. If you see pictures of models who've posed in pornographic shots, that's a big clue as to what you're getting yourself into.

Secondly, most photographers who are looking to shoot tasteful nudes won't ask you to shoot poses where you have your legs spread, are bent over, etc. Basically, they are more looking to capture your body, not your, well, orifaces.

Lastly, there's a difference between a tasteful nude and a suggestive pose, i.e. doing things like sucking your finger, licking your lips, or other things that just suggest you're, well, "wanting".
Sep 07 12 05:09 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Isaiah Brink
Posts: 1,993
Charlotte, North Carolina, US


Babydoll123 wrote:
I thought I was ok with nudity. I have gotten a few tf offers and at first i'm happy and excited 2 of them all of sudden offer pay.Then O do some research or ask more questions then that artstic nude turns to porn. How can I avoid this i'm afraid now. That I will be tricked or something. I will not do nude until I learn more.

See, fear leads to believing bad information and bad advice.  Do your homework.  And in all reality, artistic nudes and porn are very very different styles, that don't usually mix.  They can, but it's just not that likely (watch, 500 models chime in and tell me their horror stories!  lol.)  But, its so easy to cover the bases before you work with anybody before you shoot.  References are a waste of time.  You can tell a lot about the person by talking directly to them.  Talk to them here on MM.  The pervs usually are quick to let themselves be known.  If you get into a bad situation, end the shoot and leave immediately.  If you are assaulted in some way, leave immediately, get to a safe place and call 911.

Sep 07 12 05:22 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Love_mya
Posts: 276
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia


Hi Op;

When i first started doing modelling, i always suggested to meet up with the photographers, usually at a cafe or the shopping centers where we can meet and discuss about the ideas. This also gives you an idea of who they are and what the person looks like. If you dont feel comfortable take a good friend along with you to sit with you or to watch over you perhaps.

But do you research first of course, look at their portfolios and if they have any external links, be sure to check that out ie.. a website.
ask for references from the other models in their pictures.

Oh and before doing a shoot, ask for contact details, like the address of the shoot, where its taking place, if its a home address you can google earth that address to make sure it looks safe(?) phone numbers and email address and give that to someone you trust..

I hope this helps smile
Sep 08 12 07:01 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
PR Zone
Posts: 726
London, England, United Kingdom


Michael Pandolfo wrote:
How does one get tricked into doing porn?

The only things I can think of would be (a) the model is asked to wear a simple blindfold of some kind, in a soft/pleasant voice - and then the entire 'angle' of the shoot changes once she's not looking, (b) same trick, but with rope/cuffs and "Just for a second, it will make the shot", but things go 'bad' once she's immobilised or (c) drugs

In all 3 cases, well worth calling the cops

Sep 09 12 10:56 am  Link  Quote 
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Vanessa K Fox
Posts: 5
Hiawassee, Georgia, US


Babydoll123 wrote:
I thought I was ok with nudity. I have gotten a few tf offers and at first i'm happy and excited 2 of them all of sudden offer pay.Then O do some research or ask more questions then that artstic nude turns to porn. How can I avoid this i'm afraid now. That I will be tricked or something. I will not do nude until I learn more.

Porn usually involve intercourse. Saying tricked sounds like you would be looking for an excuse for doing something that you have agreed to. Anything outside of your agreement is force.

Sounds like you are doing the right thing by asking more questions. The devil is in the details.

Sep 09 12 03:20 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Odette Delacroix
Posts: 150
Los Angeles, California, US


It's hard to say when nudes become "porn." Really. To some, showing a nipple or two is porn. To others, porn doesn't happen until you go to a Talent Testing clinic and need to get a test to shoot. Words, words, words.
Sep 09 12 09:17 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
PR Zone
Posts: 726
London, England, United Kingdom


Odette Delacroix wrote:
...It's hard to say...

Agreed. Remember that episode of Friends when, at the start of the show,  Monica is asked to cut vegetables by a guy with a very specific 'kink'? 
"Do you need to wash the salad? Is it dirty? Has it gone bad?"
You can never be sure what's in the other person's brain, but 'open leg' and 'any kind of penetration' certainly sound like porn.

Sep 10 12 06:48 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
APB Photo Studio
Posts: 16
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US


Porn can be described in so many ways.
You might be better served asking the photographer if the session will include any explicit or graphic posing.
It is a yes or no answer, if the answer is yes then you can say "no thank you" or it nothing else it should lead to more questions and answers.
How graphic or explicit?
Will my legs need to spread, what direction will you be shooting from?
Will session include any closeup shots of my private areas?
What to you believe the final images will look like after editing?
Will my face be in any shoot that are explicit or graphic.
Sep 10 12 08:49 am  Link  Quote 
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Anzhelika Yakimenko
Posts: 540
Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, US


I see a simple answer to your question:

Set your boundaries and limits and enforce them.  Of course limits/boundaries vary from person to person, so communicate beforehand and learn when to say "yes" and when to say "no".   If you have to say "HELL NO" then you're in the wrong conversation with the wrong people.
Sep 17 12 06:19 pm  Link  Quote 
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Princess Dasha
Posts: 57
Malmö, Skåne, Sweden


Babydoll123 wrote:
I thought I was ok with nudity. I have gotten a few tf offers and at first i'm happy and excited 2 of them all of sudden offer pay.Then O do some research or ask more questions then that artstic nude turns to porn. How can I avoid this i'm afraid now. That I will be tricked or something. I will not do nude until I learn more.

It sounds to me that you haven't quite discovered your definition of the two terms porn and nude. Maybe you need to define your boundaries before you go to a photo shoot if you want this as a professional career? To save the photographer some time and to save yourself, hun smile

Oct 08 12 04:24 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Mark Salo
Posts: 8,009
Olney, Maryland, US


Princess Dasha wrote:
It sounds to me that you haven't quite discovered your definition of the two terms porn and nude. Maybe you need to define your boundaries before you go to a photo shoot if you want this as a professional career? To save the photographer some time and to save yourself, hun smile

Also, you need to understand that if you get answers that you don't want, that's not necessarily rude.

Oct 08 12 04:42 pm  Link  Quote 
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IDiivil
Posts: 3,887
Los Angeles, California, US


Know your boundaries and know how to express them. Don't fall prey to any guilt trip or attempts to sneak more pornographic shots in.
Oct 08 12 05:07 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
_ Robyn Elizabeth _
Posts: 436
London, England, United Kingdom


Wow,

Give the girl a break people.  I'm sure the worry was more that the images would end up on porn sites rather than that she would actually end up performing sexual acts.  Get over yourselves.

So as some people have said, take a look at the photographers previous work.  There is a big difference between an art nude and a glamour shot and I would suggest staying away from glamour.  Ask them what they intend to use the pictures for.  If the models are tagged in previous work contact a couple of them and ask what it was like working with him, if they are not ask him directly for references.  Anyone who is a decent person will be happy to give them.

Most importantly do not do anything you are not comfortable with.  I was very nervous before my first nude shoot, not because of the fears you have voiced but just a general nervousness as it was something I'd never done before and I wasn't sure if I'd be any good etc etc, but I knew it was something I really wanted to do.  That's the key point, there are some fantastic art nude photographers on this site and doing nudes will make you in higher demand but only do it if it is something you want not bacuase you feel you have to to get noticed.

Hope that helps.  I don't have as much experience as many people on here, but if you have any questions, do feel free to ask.
Oct 09 12 01:11 am  Link  Quote 
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lady maria
Posts: 190
Emmen, Drenthe, Netherlands


_ Robyn Elizabeth _ wrote:
Wow,

Give the girl a break people.  I'm sure the worry was more that the images would end up on porn sites rather than that she would actually end up performing sexual acts.  Get over yourselves.

So as some people have said, take a look at the photographers previous work.  There is a big difference between an art nude and a glamour shot and I would suggest staying away from glamour.  Ask them what they intend to use the pictures for.  If the models are tagged in previous work contact a couple of them and ask what it was like working with him, if they are not ask him directly for references.  Anyone who is a decent person will be happy to give them.

Most importantly do not do anything you are not comfortable with.  I was very nervous before my first nude shoot, not because of the fears you have voiced but just a general nervousness as it was something I'd never done before and I wasn't sure if I'd be any good etc etc, but I knew it was something I really wanted to do.  That's the key point, there are some fantastic art nude photographers on this site and doing nudes will make you in higher demand but only do it if it is something you want not bacuase you feel you have to to get noticed.

Hope that helps.  I don't have as much experience as many people on here, but if you have any questions, do feel free to ask.

+1

Oct 09 12 02:10 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
KellyKooperPhotography
Posts: 54
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia


I'd suggest to show them examples of what you will do and say very clearly what you won't do.

No sense being shy about it.
Oct 10 12 03:15 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
KellyKooperPhotography
Posts: 54
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia


IDiivil wrote:
Know your boundaries and know how to express them. Don't fall prey to any guilt trip or attempts to sneak more pornographic shots in.

+1

Excellent advice.

Oct 10 12 03:19 am  Link  Quote 
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Sha-Lynne
Posts: 22,680
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


The most important thing is to thoroughly read everything you sign...if you sign something giving the photographer permission to use it on porn sites, you won't have a leg to stand on.  Otherwise, just do your hw.  Talk to models they've worked with.  In general, you can tell the creepers...especially as you gain experience.

I actually do know a girl that was essentially tricked into being on the porn site...granted that's not quite the same as "doing porn" but I'm guessing the op doesn't care about that distinction.  An interesting side note, the girl was doing pretty tame clothed glamour and ended up as a free teaser on a porn site...it's not necessarily a nude issue.
Oct 10 12 03:50 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
L Bass
Posts: 941
Nacogdoches, Texas, US


AJScalzitti wrote:
Modeling is not for you, best of luck in your future endeavors.

+1

Oct 10 12 04:39 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
L Bass
Posts: 941
Nacogdoches, Texas, US


RME Digital Photography wrote:

+1

Posts like this always confuse me.  How does one get "tricked" into shooting something they don't want to shoot?

'Oops... I dropped my lens cap. Could you please bend WAY over and pick it up for me?'

click... click... click...

Oct 10 12 04:46 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 11,780
Olivet, Michigan, US


Sha-Lynne wrote:
The most important thing is to thoroughly read everything you sign...if you sign something giving the photographer permission to use it on porn sites, you won't have a leg to stand on.  Otherwise, just do your hw.  Talk to models they've worked with.  In general, you can tell the creepers...especially as you gain experience.

I actually do know a girl that was essentially tricked into being on the porn site...granted that's not quite the same as "doing porn" but I'm guessing the op doesn't care about that distinction.  An interesting side note, the girl was doing pretty tame clothed glamour and ended up as a free teaser on a porn site...it's not necessarily a nude issue.

I don't think that, in general, the paperwork is going to help.  If you sign a general release, they're likely to be able to put it on a "porn site."  The basic issue is that "porn site" isn't defined any better than "porn."  To many, MM is a porn site.

Oct 10 12 09:04 am  Link  Quote 
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Sha-Lynne
Posts: 22,680
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Art of the nude wrote:

I don't think that, in general, the paperwork is going to help.  If you sign a general release, they're likely to be able to put it on a "porn site."  The basic issue is that "porn site" isn't defined any better than "porn."  To many, MM is a porn site.

I'm saying not to sign anything that sounds sketchy.  I had a photographer hand me a standard release that he got from a porn company...yea, not signing that.  I'm not saying that not signing something will save her...but signing something stupid can hurt her.  Also a lot of "releases" (often releases are not truly releases...) mention specifics of what permission each party has...if that's the agreement that they sign, then she can fight it if they end up on a site that she doesn't approve of.  If she signs something saying the photographer can sell them in any way (s)he sees fit and she finds them on a porn site, she's pretty much boned.  A lot of photographers on MM add stipulations to make their models feel more comfortable (ie: non-commercial use or excluding porn sites).  I'm not passing judgment on photographers that either do or do not do this...but knowing what she's signing and keeping copies for future reference can only help her.

Oct 10 12 11:18 pm  Link  Quote 
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Model
Sha-Lynne
Posts: 22,680
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


There is a difference between being so scared of ending up on a porn site that the model shows up being an awkward wreck and a model simply doing their homework to make sure that they don't get taken advantage of.  The wording may have been odd but we have no reason to think that the OP is in the first category...and not being in the second category would just be stupid.

People like making negative assumptions just to get their daily dose of drama.
Oct 10 12 11:33 pm  Link  Quote 
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Aaliyah Love
Posts: 113
Los Angeles, California, US


Augustine York wrote:
Yes, because if OP goes to a shoot alone she might accidentally start doing porn. Best be sure there's someone there to stop her just in case lol

this!smile
nobody is going to trick you or force you into doing porn. Because there are plenty of beautiful girls and guys out there who are READY AND WILLING.
Do your research, set your limits ahead of time, stick to them, and be a strong woman of your word!
Only do exactly what you're comfortable with, always.

Also, spelling, grammar and attitude go a LONG way, especially when posting a professional/work related type of forum such as this, presenting yourself as a professional model. I would steer clear of using curse words and insulting people just because you didn't agree with or like their opinion. Remember, you started this thread ASKING for opinions.

Oct 10 12 11:43 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
R O S E S M O D E L S
Posts: 23
Antelope, California, US


Everyone has an opinion on this and it's just that an opinion
Oct 12 12 11:17 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Figuremodel001
Posts: 264
Chicago, Illinois, US


Michael McGowan wrote:
If you don't want to do porn, don't.

But be sure you know what you're talking about. The U.S. has some legal definitions of porn that involve lascivious display of genitals and actual penetration. There are also some legalities involving simulated sex that fall under the porn laws when it comes to children.

Anyway, do your research so you're able to tell potential clients what's OK for you and what isn't. Ask for specifics about any shoot and be comfortable when you go to shoot.

Problem is that lots of folks consider certain things to be pornographic when they technically aren't. Frankly, it doesn't matter what you call it if you don't want to do it, but if you want to communicate meaningfully about it, you need to use the right words.

Ultimately, if you don't want to ... just say no.

This covers it

Oct 14 12 11:24 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
MC Photo
Posts: 4,144
New York, New York, US


Babydoll123 wrote:
There are some people here who felt like being rude. Why? I'm nor sure I don't know you and you don't know me theres no reason to be rude honestly. Regardless when I say tricked I mean it starts off as someone saying it's art then I ask for there work and some bitch is getting a train ran on her I want to avoid all that. It was advice I was looking for not someone trying to be a rude smart ass because they think there the shit. hmm

People are reacting the way they did because you didn't say what you meant.

You used the word porn as if it meant things that you weren't comfortable with.

You can't possibly mean that you think you will be tricked into having sex on camera, what you mean is that you're comfortable with nudity when you're photographed in a certain way, but there are other ways in which you are not and you want to know how to avoid the feelings of discomfort when people ask you about other things - I'm sure some people genuinely ask, I'm sure others feel uncomfortable asking so they push and hint until you say yes by doing it or no by giving them a sign, which is probably getting pissed off and leaving. I'm sure there are others that consciously try to pressure you.

If you'd asked "How do I avoid the discomfort of someone asking me to do something that I'm not comfortable with?" people would have answered that question.

The word porn sets people off because there are many people who make a scale of art/good on one end and porn/bad on the other. The thing is, there's nothing wrong with porn. There may be styles that people don't like. There may be bad things within the industry, but a still or moving image of two people having sex is not bad or wrong. Porn is an R rated movie shot differently.


The answer to the question you intended to ask is you need to talk about things openly and clearly. I think most people are uncomfortable with that because it's a new experience and because the vocabulary is awkward. Do you use medical terms and sound like a dork? Do you use slang and sound crude? What is the professional term?

If you feel uncomfortable talking openly with photographers, write a few models who do the type of work you'd like to do and ask them how they communicate their limits to a photographer. Practice talking openly with them and then it will be easier to discuss with a photographer.

Oct 14 12 11:50 am  Link  Quote 
Model
StacieMaria
Posts: 372
Cleveland, Ohio, US


-B-R-U-N-E-S-C-I- wrote:

Learn how to say no.... and MEAN IT!






Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano
www.stefanobrunesci.com

Best advice ever!!!

Oct 15 12 10:59 pm  Link  Quote 
Artist/Painter
JJMiller
Posts: 465
Buffalo, New York, US


Depends on your definition of "porn." Look at the person's previous work, if it suits you and how you want to be represented go from there. There are plenty of opportunities, the field of photography is quickly expanding. Be patient and keep on top of the scene.
Oct 19 12 03:27 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
SweetGirlyGirl
Posts: 60
Augusta, Georgia, US


Babydoll123 wrote:
I thought I was ok with nudity. I have gotten a few tf offers and at first i'm happy and excited 2 of them all of sudden offer pay.Then O do some research or ask more questions then that artstic nude turns to porn. How can I avoid this i'm afraid now. That I will be tricked or something. I will not do nude until I learn more.

Do not, Do not, Do not, shoot NUDE for TF... It's like working at the strip club for free...
Porn is any pose that suggests sexual behavior. Or so that's how I look at it. I think my nudes are artistic. I could be wrong. But I will NOT shoot nude for TFP..

Spreads are porn-ish as well as doggy style poses, or any of the touching type posing.

If you want to shoot artistic nudes, say so on your port. And when someone contacts you for a nude shoot, let them know you only do nudes for a certain amount per hour. Then, let them know, no erotic or porn type poses will be done during the shoot.

If you have any questions, feel free to message me..

Oct 19 12 07:55 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 11,780
Olivet, Michigan, US


SweetGirlyGirl wrote:

Do not, Do not, Do not, shoot NUDE for TF... It's like working at the strip club for free...
Porn is any pose that suggests sexual behavior. Or so that's how I look at it. I think my nudes are artistic. I could be wrong. But I will NOT shoot nude for TFP..

Spreads are porn-ish as well as doggy style poses, or any of the touching type posing.

If you want to shoot artistic nudes, say so on your port. And when someone contacts you for a nude shoot, let them know you only do nudes for a certain amount per hour. Then, let them know, no erotic or porn type poses will be done during the shoot.

If you have any questions, feel free to message me..

I usually do trade shoots and I usually shoot nudes as part of the session.   If the model prefers, I am willing to accept cash.

But, then, I don't think of a photo shoot as having anything to do with working as a stripper.

Oct 19 12 09:10 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Dannielle Levan
Posts: 12,857
New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada


Augustine York wrote:

Yes, because if OP goes to a shoot alone she might accidentally start doing porn. Best be sure there's someone there to stop her just in case lol

When I shoot nudes, I just throw dildos at the model til they get the point. lol

Oct 19 12 09:15 pm  Link  Quote 
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