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Image Works Photography

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I was at Best Buy today looking around the laptop computers. I now have two aging laptop computers which I plan to sell to get one updated one. Some amazing prices I have to say. I saw some for $479 and some open items for as little as $320 but when I asked if they included a free upgrade to windows 8 the sales person told me MS doesn't give anything free but I do remember that when windows 7 came out they were giving free vouchers to upgrade to windows 7. I was thinking that he was told to remain quiet and not talk about windows 8 because it will hurt sales. It was tempting to get the computer right on the spot but knowing win 8 is a month or two away from release it would be a big mistake. I think MS changed strategies but I am not falling for it.

Sep 13 12 06:41 pm Link

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Miss AY

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GreatMomentsPhotography wrote:
I was at Best Buy today looking around the laptop computers. I now have two aging laptop computers which I plan to sell to get one updated one. Some amazing prices I have to say. I saw some for $479 and some open items for as little as $320 but when I asked if they included a free upgrade to windows 8 the sales person told me MS doesn't give anything free but I do remember that when windows 7 came out they were giving free vouchers to upgrade to windows 7. I was thinking that he was told to remain quiet and not talk about windows 8 because it will hurt sales. It was tempting to get the computer right on the spot but knowing win 8 is a month or two away from release it would be a big mistake. I think MS changed strategies but I am not falling for it.

Why would it be a big mistake?

Just because Windows 8 is coming out soon does not mean that Windows 7 is not still a solid OS.

I have not tried Windows 8, but probably should (I think I'll get free access through MSDNAA), but from discussions in my classes it sounds like you may just be better off getting a machine with Windows 7 on it. If it ain't broke don't fix it as they say.

edit: also, you are correct that MS seems to be changing strategies, but waiting for windows 8 is probably closer to falling for it than just sticking with windows 7 is wink

Sep 13 12 06:46 pm Link

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T Brown

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Traverse City, Michigan, US

I've tried the pre-release of windows 8


and I did not like it Sam I am.

I would not use windows 8

not on a tablet

not on a slate

nor on a cell

it can go to hell

not on my PC

let it be

I do not like windows 8

stay with 7 before its too late.




or use Linux, lol

Sep 13 12 06:51 pm Link

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NothingIsRealButTheGirl

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When I heard 8 was coming I rushed out to buy 7.

Sep 13 12 06:54 pm Link

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Looknsee Photography

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I used to be on the bleeding edge of technology -- I was an early adopter and a frequent beta tester (before there was such a thing as an "open" beta test).

Now, I just don't have the time.

I tend to skip versions, and I tend not to get up on the new version until after the first Service Pack is released (and after the reviews are good).  It's just too much of a hassle.

So, when does Windows 8 come out?  Maybe it's too early to offer a free upgrade?  Maybe the free upgrade deals come closer to the Windows 8 release date?

It's business.


Sep 13 12 06:55 pm Link

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rmcapturing

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You can upgrade for $14.99 if you purchase a W7 PC now. I don't know about free upgrades, but so far, no news about free upgrades, and I wouldn't count on it.

Sep 13 12 06:56 pm Link

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Image Works Photography

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R_Marquez wrote:
You can upgrade for $14.99 if you purchase a W7 PC now. I don't know about free upgrades, but so far, no news about free upgrades, and I wouldn't count on it.

Can you provide a link- if this is true I might change my mind- its a good deal

Sep 13 12 07:03 pm Link

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T Brown

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Windows versions and Star Trek movies haved sync'd their releases.

Every other one.

Sep 13 12 07:05 pm Link

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matt-h2

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Looknsee Photography wrote:
Happy with Windows 7 - 32 bit.
  Not happy with Windows 7 - 64 bit.

Why, and why?

Sep 13 12 07:05 pm Link

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Image Works Photography

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Orlando, Florida, US

Never seen so many people uptight about a windows release- is it that bad?

Sep 13 12 07:11 pm Link

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T Brown

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GreatMomentsPhotography wrote:
Never seen so many people uptight about a windows release- is it that bad?

from a desktop standpoint absolutely, non tiling windows, hence no dragging between windows. have to go to the desktop app to run an actually program. only full screen windows on the metro view, piss ass poor apps.

Sep 13 12 07:16 pm Link

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Tony Lawrence

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GreatMomentsPhotography wrote:

Can you provide a link- if this is true I might change my mind- its a good deal

http://windows.microsoft.com/is-IS/windows-8/iso   Grab it quick!   You can also go on the MSFT website, download and upgrade Vista and W7 to W8.   My impressions.   I am NOT a hardcore Windows user I use Linux and OSX but it works well on two old laptops I have.   Both are older dual cores with 2gb of RAM.   I have Photoshop, Lightroom, and several other programs and all work very well.   I did a fresh install of Windows 8 with the iso I downloaded.   I can't imagine the final version of W8 will be that different then the one available now but get it and try it out and see what you think.

By the way there are several skins that make it look more W7 like.   If you have any problems just give me a holler.

Sep 13 12 07:38 pm Link

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Image Works Photography

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Tony Lawrence wrote:

http://windows.microsoft.com/is-IS/windows-8/iso   Grab it quick!   You can also go on the MSFT website, download and upgrade Vista and W7 to W8.   My impressions.   I am NOT a hardcore Windows user I use Linux and OSX but it works well on two old laptops I have.   Both are older dual cores with 2gb of RAM.   I have Photoshop, Lightroom, and several other programs and all work very well.   I did a fresh install of Windows 8 with the iso I downloaded.   I can't imagine the final version of W8 will be that different then the one available now but get it and try it out and see what you think.

By the way there are several skins that make it look more W7 like.   If you have any problems just give me a holler.

windows 8 here I come baby

Sep 13 12 07:45 pm Link

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Digital Photo PLUS

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GreatMomentsPhotography wrote:
Never seen so many people uptight about a windows release- is it that bad?

Because Windows 7 is so good.

Sep 13 12 07:48 pm Link

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CNP Photography

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I always recommend avoiding any new MS OS until the first service pack is released. It generally takes them that long to get the major bugs worked out.

Sep 13 12 07:48 pm Link

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rmcapturing

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GreatMomentsPhotography wrote:

Can you provide a link- if this is true I might change my mind- its a good deal

Here you go:

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/wind … rade_en-us

I wouldn't be surprised if manufacturers offered free upgrades, but again, I wouln't count on it.

Sep 13 12 08:29 pm Link

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nwprophoto

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Played with W8.
Until they fix the UI I am sticking with W7.

Sep 13 12 08:44 pm Link

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eos3_300

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GreatMomentsPhotography wrote:
Never seen so many people uptight about a windows release- is it that bad?

Yes it sucks.
The OS actually works fine its Win 7
But wrapped up in a new Metro interface that is totally unsuited for desktop use
Im a lifetime Win user and I found Ubuntu Linux easier to figure than Win 8

UI expert: Windows users will hate the new Windows 8 experience

http://news.yahoo.com/ui-expert-windows … 56586.html

Windows 8's Metro UI: 7 Things You May Just Hate
http://www.pcworld.com/article/251282/w … _hate.html

Sep 13 12 08:52 pm Link

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Tony Lawrence

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Odd for me to defend MSFT but I found it cool after playing with it a few days.   At first it seemed confusing but not now.   I'm not advocating moving to W8 from Windows 7 and I would never have bought it but free was cool.   I don't know if I'd spend a extra $15.00 for it.   You could dual boot W7 and 8.   Why I don't know but you could.   If you have a older laptop try it out.   It didn't work on a T42 I have.   The processor is too old and yes there is a way to get it to work but I just threw it on two other machines.   It uses less RAM then my Windows 7 install and is very snappy.   

CS6 works fine.   Firefox and Chrome are quick.   That said I could see why some users may NOT dig it.   It feels more for a tablet then desktop but its still pretty cool.

Sep 13 12 09:03 pm Link

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eos3_300

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eos3_300 wrote:

Yes it sucks.
The OS actually works fine its Win 7
But wrapped up in a new Metro interface that is totally unsuited for desktop use
Im a lifetime Win user and I found Ubuntu Linux easier to figure than Win 8

UI expert: Windows users will hate the new Windows 8 experience

http://news.yahoo.com/ui-expert-windows … 56586.html

Windows 8's Metro UI: 7 Things You May Just Hate
http://www.pcworld.com/article/251282/w … _hate.html

Microsoft users struggle with Windows redesign
http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/06/1 … 6O20120615


Windows 8: You’ll Absolutely Hate It At First
http://techcrunch.com/2012/06/17/window … ce-anyway/

Sep 13 12 09:23 pm Link

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Aaron Lewis Photography

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This is not going to be a very well received upgrade. I'll probably never run 8 on a production machine anyway. 7 is still new, most business still haven't given up all their XP boxes so I doubt 8 will ever make it into the mainstream business world.

Whatever comes next will replace the Win 7 machines.

Sep 13 12 09:36 pm Link

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studio36uk

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THREE INTERESTING POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS TO WINDOWS 8 for users of XP [at least, possibly also Win 7 users, and maybe even Vista]

SOME [pro?] versions of 8 [at least it has been so reported in the tech press] can be installed with a roll-back to an earlier version in particular with an especially noted roll back to XP. This is intended to make older apps compatible with the newer OS. You loose some 8 features but also extend the life of your older apps - especially specialist, costly and still widely used apps designed for XP, or hardware you use that is not going to be Win 8 compatible [e.g. for lack of drivers].

1) Install 8 but during the process roll it back to an actual XP install. As long as the 8 install is on a valid license you can, at a later time re-jig the system as installed to function completely and solely as Win8

2) Run Win 8 in compatability mode for particular older apps but this may not apply to hardware and drivers;

3) MS it appears, with a valid install of Win 8, also has made available a virtual machine as an XP that can be mounted alongside Win 8 on a separate partition. Older apps can be installed on and run in the VM. AFAIK you can [once it is set up] just invoke the VM as a virtual XP OS from the Win 8 desktop and without actually tinkering with the Win 8 install or running compatibility mode in Win 8.

Not being a complete geek, I don't know if these three possible solutions are an actual solution for any of you, but they all may present some interesting alternatives, each in turn, for some users. I, personally, run a lot of older XP software, and some quite specialist stuff, that I couldn't afford to loose, and can't simply replace, or replace at all because a lot of it is no longer sold or supported by the original source company who made it. Some of those companies no longer even exist, or if it came from an individual developer was never updated to operate on later than XP OS.

Studio36

Sep 13 12 10:47 pm Link

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Tony Lawrence

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Long time Ubuntu users may recall the uproar over Unity.   Some left for Mint and others for other Linux distros that used GNOME.   I like Unity.   My guess is that W8 does well and frankly it make sense.   The ideal is to have one OS that works for tablet, desktop and phones.   People can still use W7 but 8 gives them options.   MSFT is banking on its new Surface tablet in October.

Sep 13 12 11:34 pm Link

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Robert Lynch

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studio36uk wrote:
THREE INTERESTING POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS TO WINDOWS 8 for users of XP [at least, possibly also Win 7 users, and maybe even Vista]

SOME [pro?] versions of 8 [at least it has been so reported in the tech press] can be installed with a roll-back to an earlier version in particular with an especially noted roll back to XP. This is intended to make older apps compatible with the newer OS. You loose some 8 features but also extend the life of your older apps - especially specialist, costly and still widely used apps designed for XP, or hardware you use that is not going to be Win 8 compatible [e.g. for lack of drivers].

1) Install 8 but during the process roll it back to an actual XP install. As long as the 8 install is on a valid license you can, at a later time re-jig the system as installed to function completely and solely as Win8

2) Run Win 8 in compatability mode for particular older apps but this may not apply to hardware and drivers;

3) MS it appears, with a valid install of Win 8, also has made available a virtual machine as an XP that can be mounted alongside Win 8 on a separate partition. Older apps can be installed on and run in the VM. AFAIK you can [once it is set up] just invoke the VM as a virtual XP OS from the Win 8 desktop and without actually tinkering with the Win 8 install or running compatibility mode in Win 8.

Not being a complete geek, I don't know if these three possible solutions are an actual solution for any of you, but they all may present some interesting alternatives, each in turn, for some users. I, personally, run a lot of older XP software, and some quite specialist stuff, that I couldn't afford to loose, and can't simply replace, or replace at all because a lot of it is no longer sold or supported by the original source company who made it. Some of those companies no longer even exist, or if it came from an individual developer was never updated to operate on later than XP OS.

Studio36

If the XP VM on 8 is like the one on 7, it doesn't install on a separate partition, it's just an application.  I use it from time-to-time on my 7 Pro x64 system.

Sep 13 12 11:39 pm Link

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Nelia

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I have no idea what Best Buy is doing but I saw this on Costco.com the other day:

Buy a Windows 7 PC June 2, 2012 through January 31, 2013 and get Windows 8 Pro for $14.99 (when it becomes available).  Click on the the link below for complete details.

http://www.costco.com/Images/Content/Misc/PDF/win8.pdf

I have to believe that other retailers are or will be doing the same thing.

Sep 13 12 11:41 pm Link

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photoimager

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Just because a company does something once does not mean it has to always do that.

Each time a new version of Windows is released there is the same chorus of negatives but the Microsoft world keeps on turning despite them.

Sep 14 12 02:38 am Link

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Karl Blessing

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Last time I checked, Microsoft did not provide free versions of windows upgrades, just simply because you had 'recently' purchased a computer that came with Windows 7. That's up to the manufactures as they deal with the licenses from microsoft for their machines.

The only time I seen the creator of the operating system provide something for free because you had recently purchased a machine with the previous OS was with Apple, such as having purchased a machine with Leopard shortly before Snow Leopard came out (before they simply started selling new versions for 30$ rather than either doing free upgrade or 'promo' coupons).

Sep 14 12 02:43 am Link

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Karl Blessing

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GreatMomentsPhotography wrote:
Never seen so many people uptight about a windows release- is it that bad?

You weren't around for 3.1 -> 95 -> 98/ME -> XP -> Vista -> 7 milestones of debates?

Sep 14 12 02:45 am Link

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Aaron Lewis Photography

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Karl Blessing wrote:
You weren't around for 3.1 -> 95 -> 98/ME -> XP -> Vista -> 7 milestones of debates?

Well at least all of those (except 3.1 and you guys obviously don't remember Windows 2.0) included a Start button and program menus. Win8 just leaves us with, well, nothing to click on. They started this crap in Office 2007 with that damn ribbon thing replacing the program menu.

Sep 14 12 06:04 am Link

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studio36uk

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Robert Lynch wrote:
If the XP VM on 8 is like the one on 7, it doesn't install on a separate partition, it's just an application.  I use it from time-to-time on my 7 Pro x64 system.

I guess the point is - does it do [figuratively speaking] what it says on the box?

Studio36

Sep 14 12 06:28 am Link

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photoimager

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Aaron Lewis Photography wrote:
.....you guys obviously don't remember Windows 2.0

Oh I do, I still have the discs all boxed up and still use it when I use my Amstrad ALT286 laptop with 20mb hard drive and ram upped to 4mb at a price that these days would easily get you 32Gb. What I'll do when the drive fails I'm not sure, maybe find a museum to take it.

Sep 14 12 06:34 am Link

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studio36uk

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Karl Blessing wrote:
Last time I checked, Microsoft did not provide free versions of windows upgrades, just simply because you had 'recently' purchased a computer that came with Windows 7. That's up to the manufactures as they deal with the licenses from microsoft for their machines.

The only time I seen the creator of the operating system provide something for free because you had recently purchased a machine with the previous OS was with Apple, such as having purchased a machine with Leopard shortly before Snow Leopard came out (before they simply started selling new versions for 30$ rather than either doing free upgrade or 'promo' coupons).

Just FWIW, ALDI here in the UK had some towers on sale recently [not too bad a spec] for UK£350 [US$ ~500] including Win 7 installed; They were offering an upgrade to Win 8 [now until 1 Jan 2013] for a small additional payment IIRC ~UK£15 - [US$ ~22 or 23]. Included the machine+KB+mouse but no monitor

So there are some deals around like that which include the upgrade to Win 8.

Studio36

Sep 14 12 06:35 am Link

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Robert Lynch

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studio36uk wrote:

I guess the point is - does it do [figuratively speaking] what it says on the box?

Studio36

Yes, it does.

Sep 14 12 07:28 am Link

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studio36uk

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Robert Lynch wrote:

studio36uk wrote:
I guess the point is - does it do [figuratively speaking] what it says on the box?

Studio36

Yes, it does.

Thanks for that. Well, in my case, then that might be a solution for me.

Studio36

Sep 14 12 07:34 am Link

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Tog

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Using Win 8 on two machines at home, my desktop and laptop at work.

It's a solid improvement over Win 7.  Not a life changing improvement, but solid. 

Upgrade is not free from Win7 to 8.  If you a Win7 PC now the upgrade will be a whopping $14.99

http://www.windowsupgradeoffer.com/en-US

For the rest of upgrade users (who didn't buy a PC in that timeframe)  I believe the upgrade price is either 39.99 or 49.99

Sep 14 12 09:02 am Link

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Karl Blessing

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Aaron Lewis Photography wrote:
... you guys obviously don't remember Windows 2.0...

I do... but why go that far back to CGA...

Sep 14 12 09:07 am Link

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Tog

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GreatMomentsPhotography wrote:
Never seen so many people uptight about a windows release- is it that bad?

No, but it's different.  And the FUD train is in full motion.

Sep 14 12 09:08 am Link

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Karl Blessing

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Caledonia, Michigan, US

studio36uk wrote:
Just FWIW, ALDI here in the UK had some towers on sale recently [not too bad a spec] for UK£350 [US$ ~500] including Win 7 installed; They were offering an upgrade to Win 8 [now until 1 Jan 2013] for a small additional payment IIRC ~UK£15 - [US$ ~22 or 23]. Included the machine+KB+mouse but no monitor

So there are some deals around like that which include the upgrade to Win 8.

Studio36

Right, but that was either via specific store promo, or specific manufacture, one wouldn't just assume every retailer would do it, and the only time I seen the creator of the OS itself do it was something like with Apple.

Sep 14 12 09:08 am Link

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Tog

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Karl Blessing wrote:
Right, but that was either via specific store promo, or specific manufacture, one wouldn't just assume every retailer would do it, and the only time I seen the creator of the OS itself do it was something like with Apple.

No, Microsoft is offering a 15$ upgrade path for Windows 7 machines bought within a certain timeframe through January of next year.  It's not store specific.

http://www.windowsupgradeoffer.com/en-US

Sep 14 12 09:13 am Link

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Carlos Occidental

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Why is this a Best Buy issue?

Sep 14 12 09:20 am Link