Tony Lawrence wrote: Odd that you would say Romney is more educated then Obama. Both Harvard grads. Both passed the bar and Obama was a law professor. Romney inherited his wealth and status from his dad. Obama didn't really know his father and he grew up in a very humble home. Romney as a Gov. presided over his state which was 47th. in job creation. So much for his business expertise. People who come from wealth and privilege are less impressive to me then those who don't. Bill Clinton is another example of someone who came from a poor start. Single mom like Obama. As for Obama's foreign policy being a mess. I offer you the same challenge I did another poster. What would you do?
The US isn't in control of other nations. They get to protest and hold elections as they choose and some don't like us. Is Obama responsible for the current protests in China about Japan? Did he make the insulting trailer about the Prophet Muhammad? Last; the reason Obama won wasn't because the media loved him it was largely because he ran a better campaign then Hillary. It was in part because McCain picked a insane running mate and because Obama is extremely likable. I know you loathe him but many Americans like him even if they don't like his polices.
Mitt isn't all that likable and even with all the bad news. Poor economy and bs the right piles on Obama he's even with or leading Romney. Why is that? It should be Romney leading Obama by double digits. Instead he's not and he has the power of FOX behind him. Why?? Its because smart folks see him as the phony rich guy who'll say anything to get elected. They see him for the flip flopper, $10,000 bet man he is. Its why NOT one of those he campaigned against like him.
I love how you basically state what a shitty job Obama has done and why isn't Romney leading in the polls.. Interesting argument!
EXTREMELY HILARIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!
As far as Romney's job performance, please look farther than what some liberal blog repeats about 47th blah, blah... Please research what the unemployment level was in MA during his term. Please research how he got rid of a HUGE deficit... Please research how the credit rating was improved for MA under Romney. Please research how he, with the work of others got Romneycare passed... Please research the fact that he had to work with a state legislature that was like 87% democrats... Look how he has a PROVEN record of reaching across the aisle.
I know you think that Romney was given everything and how Obama had nothing. I don't agree, but one thing for sure, Romney has 10 times the resume than candidate Obama.
And since Obama's first term has been a disaster by ANY measure... it's really a no brainer than Romney would make a better President..
On a side note, I started a thread and asked for liberals to post even one story about the kindness of Obama... Guess what, I'm still waiting... Liberals like to point out the Romney has numerous examples because he is Mormon... Well, Obama's a Christian... right????? Should his fictional autobiography be filled with examples? I even read when he was in his pot smoking gang, he liked to bogart the joint... Hmmmm? makes you kind of wonder, huh?
I do have to agree that likeability right now is a huge factor. I don't like Obama, but Romney just makes me cringe. The idea of Romeny is unbearable, and I can't help but think if I had to be stuck in a room with him I'd be in tears around him. At least Obama, regardless of how much dislike him as a president, seems to this charisma and likeability that draw people to him. Hell, after one of his speeches, it was so good, that I actually thought for a moment about voting for him, which I swore I'd never do.
I find Romney to be a snake, doesn't matter how much experience or money or education he has, and well, snakes not only freak me the hell out, but I don't trust them. Obama is like that stray dog that you know you shouldn't take it, but you can't help it because it's so damn cute (yes, insane reference, but wasn't sure what else to go with here)
I agree. The real reason that Obama beat Hillary and Edwards was because neither was as likable. Herman Cain is likeable. I'd never vote for him but he's charming and funny and I really think he means well. Romney comes across as a good looking empty suit. Reagan, Clinton and Obama are all very charismatic. A member said it well in that its a team effort though. Who's the best manager for the team? Romney for all his faults was a Governor and that is a difficult job. I think had Obama been a Mayor or Governor he would have had more executive skills which would have allowed him better control of his staff.
There is a book about Obama that explains this well. A big Obama fault has in my mind his inability to explain exactly what he was doing. Like it or hate it, national health care makes sense and in fact while some might debate this is something the founders might have supported. http://jonathanturley.org/2012/04/14/di … -mandates/ Obama never made a good case for NHC. He has helped make student loans so that they can be paid back based on your income. Lots of other cool things against a GOP that hates him: http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/magazi … 035754.php
What saddens me is we should all celebrate that a Black man from poor stock could rise to become the President of this country. That he is a good and loving dad a law professor with no personal scandals. Instead we have him being accused of not being a natural born citizen after being vetted. Some have asked for his college grades. Things never before done to a White candidate or President. The sad truth is I feel that some of the anger directed at Obama is about race but of course none of our fine SB members are racists. I like Obama but I don't hate Romney.
I love how you basically state what a shitty job Obama has done and why isn't Romney leading in the polls.. Interesting argument!
EXTREMELY HILARIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!
As far as Romney's job performance, please look farther than what some liberal blog repeats about 47th blah, blah... Please research what the unemployment level was in MA during his term. Please research how he got rid of a HUGE deficit... Please research how the credit rating was improved for MA under Romney. Please research how he, with the work of others got Romneycare passed... Please research the fact that he had to work with a state legislature that was like 87% democrats... Look how he has a PROVEN record of reaching across the aisle.
I know you think that Romney was given everything and how Obama had nothing. I don't agree, but one thing for sure, Romney has 10 times the resume than candidate Obama.
And since Obama's first term has been a disaster by ANY measure... it's really a no brainer than Romney would make a better President..
On a side note, I started a thread and asked for liberals to post even one story about the kindness of Obama... Guess what, I'm still waiting... Liberals like to point out the Romney has numerous examples because he is Mormon... Well, Obama's a Christian... right????? Should his fictional autobiography be filled with examples? I even read when he was in his pot smoking gang, he liked to bogart the joint... Hmmmm? makes you kind of wonder, huh?
You know the difference between us? I can respect Romney even if I wouldn't vote for him. You have zero respect for Obama. The fact is that Mass. was 47th. on the list: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter … job-creat/ That alone doesn't make him a bad Governor but is true. Unemployment did decrease under him but did also nationally. You think Romney would be a better President that's fair but we just don't know. The key is your willing to really give him a chance. I've read your comments on MM since Obama won and you've never liked him. Its gotten to the point where people here know two things. You love Apple and hate Obama.
As for who's a nicer guy. Mormon's look out for each other. Mitt put a lot of people out of work when he ran Bain. http://www.politicususa.com/romney-bain … -ring.html Rolling Stone has a great article : http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/ne … l-20120829 I know. I know. All liberal lies but facts are facts. Mitt may have stayed at some child's beside and given money to charities but hundreds of people might not agree about how 'nice' he his and his 'kindness'. Read the links. My bet is you won't. The truth is you've made up your mind. Obama represents all that's bad in America. Romney doesn't. It wouldn't matter if Obama healed the sick and walked on water. You don't like him but instead of being truly honest about why you dance around the truth. I think I know why but I just like to debate. Nobody is changing their positions.
Tony Lawrence wrote: You know the difference between us? I can respect Romney even if I wouldn't vote for him. You have zero respect for Obama. The fact is that Mass. was 47th. on the list: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter … job-creat/ That alone doesn't make him a bad Governor but is true. Unemployment did decrease under him but did also nationally. You think Romney would be a better President that's fair but we just don't know. The key is your willing to really give him a chance. I've read your comments on MM since Obama won and you've never liked him. Its gotten to the point where people here know two things. You love Apple and hate Obama.
As for who's a nicer guy. Mormon's look out for each other. Mitt put a lot of people out of work when he ran Bain. http://www.politicususa.com/romney-bain … -ring.html Rolling Stone has a great article : http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/ne … l-20120829 I know. I know. All liberal lies but facts are facts. Mitt may have stayed at some child's beside and given money to charities but hundreds of people might not agree about how 'nice' he his and his 'kindness'. Read the links. My bet is you won't. The truth is you've made up your mind. Obama represents all that's bad in America. Romney doesn't. It wouldn't matter if Obama healed the sick and walked on water. You don't like him but instead of being truly honest about why you dance around the truth. I think I know why but I just like to debate. Nobody is changing their positions.
Silly. It's Obama's record that has proven him unfit to continue.
But please understand this, I do believe that more than likely, President Obama will be reelected. He has done EXACTLY the opposite of "Hope and Change" and he has based his own reelection on DIVIDING Americans. He wants to have you look at every single shiny object... everything but his record.
And as far as a second term goes. He will be the lamest of lame ducks in our country's history. He will accomplish nothing. For god's sake, members of his own party barely support him.
but "hey, what about free birth control" that's an important accomplishment, right???
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What Fun Productions wrote: but "hey, what about free birth control" that's an important accomplishment, right???
if this is your final thought wedge issue that even comes close to the electorate decision then it proves a clueless mentality way above and beyond being the least bit informed.
seriously, you aren't ready for this prime time discussion here with much smarter people. you are, in a word, more in line with discussion with those on...myspace.
Silly. It's Obama's record that has proven him unfit to continue.
But please understand this, I do believe that more than likely, President Obama will be reelected. He has done EXACTLY the opposite of "Hope and Change" and he has based his own reelection on DIVIDING Americans. He wants to have you look at every single shiny object... everything but his record.
And as far as a second term goes. He will be the lamest of lame ducks in our country's history. He will accomplish nothing. For god's sake, members of his own party barely support him.
but "hey, what about free birth control" that's an important accomplishment, right???
Did you read the Rolling Stone story? Take a look at 'cha boy Romney. Take a look best you can without seeing the story from a conservative or liberal view point. Obama isn't a real liberal despite the labels some want to attach to him. Drone attacks on terror suspects and killing innocents who just happen to be near them. Americans can be jailed for years without trial. Yet I still like him more then I do Romney who I feel gives less then a fuc^ about the middle class or poor Americans. He'll reduce taxes all right. For all his rich pals. The argument that Obama has divided us is curious because I would argue he has actually in some ways abandoned Black America. Chicago's south side is more dangerous at times then Afghanistan. Black male unemployment and those not in college are at historic highs. Not his fault but is a sad commentary.
Has he tried to divide us? White racist hate groups are seeing large increases. I think that we never reached the kind of post- racial country he and I hoped for. Is America more divided now then during the Civil War? More divided then the Jim Crow south? More divided then the 1960's? If it is Obama didn't divide us it was there and his presence may have just highlighted it. Its like the awkward moment when a White daughter introduces her new Black boyfriend and by way the mom and dad I'm pregnant too. Sure they were cool with minorities and liked Michael Jackson and Beyonce. Dad had some nice Black co-workers but your daughters having some Black guys baby... Not then so easy to be post -racial.
if this is your final thought wedge issue that even comes close to the electorate decision then it proves a clueless mentality way above and beyond being the least bit informed.
seriously, you aren't ready for this prime time discussion here with much smarter people. you are, in a word, more in line with discussion with those on...myspace.
If the Republicans lose the election, it was designed by the Republicans that way?
That could be the dumbest thing I've ever read in this forum. Ever.
It has some plausibility. If the guys at the top know that nothing the president can do will help the economy, then they become focused on controlling congress. So, if Obama remains, they can continue to blame him for everything and try to win more seats in the house and senate.
Tony Lawrence wrote: Did you read the Rolling Stone story? Take a look at 'cha boy Romney. Take a look best you can without seeing the story from a conservative or liberal view point. Obama isn't a real liberal despite the labels some want to attach to him. Drone attacks on terror suspects and killing innocents who just happen to be near them. Americans can be jailed for years without trial. Yet I still like him more then I do Romney who I feel gives less then a fuc^ about the middle class or poor Americans. He'll reduce taxes all right. For all his rich pals. The argument that Obama has divided us is curious because I would argue he has actually in some ways abandoned Black America. Chicago's south side is more dangerous at times then Afghanistan. Black male unemployment and those not in college are at historic highs. Not his fault but is a sad commentary.
Has he tried to divide us? White racist hate groups are seeing large increases. I think that we never reached the kind of post- racial country he and I hoped for. Is America more divided now then during the Civil War? More divided then the Jim Crow south? More divided then the 1960's? If it is Obama didn't divide us it was there and his presence may have just highlighted it. Its like the awkward moment when a White daughter introduces her new Black boyfriend and by way the mom and dad I'm pregnant too. Sure they were cool with minorities and liked Michael Jackson and Beyonce. Dad had some nice Black co-workers but your daughters having some Black guys baby... Not then so easy to be post -racial.
Has Obama brought America together or not? It is a simple question....
"War on women"
Latinos "You must punish your enemies"
"1% vs 99%"
President Obama wants to divide Americans. It's the ONLY chance he will have to be reelected. He knows it and so do you.
Please remember he would not be President if MILLIONS of white Americans had not voted for him.
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291 wrote: if this is your final thought wedge issue that even comes close to the electorate decision then it proves a clueless mentality way above and beyond being the least bit informed.
seriously, you aren't ready for this prime time discussion here with much smarter people. you are, in a word, more in line with discussion with those on...myspace.
What Fun Productions wrote: This thread isn't about me.
the thread becomes expanded based on your contribution. if you wish to not have your thoughts expanded on from counter opinion, then just read and not post.
291 wrote: if this is your final thought wedge issue that even comes close to the electorate decision then it proves a clueless mentality way above and beyond being the least bit informed.
seriously, you aren't ready for this prime time discussion here with much smarter people. you are, in a word, more in line with discussion with those on...myspace.
291 wrote: the thread becomes expanded based on your contribution. if you wish to not have your thoughts expanded on from counter opinion, then just read and not post.
This thread is not about me. And most importantly it is not about your huge ego.
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291 wrote: if this is your final thought wedge issue that even comes close to the electorate decision then it proves a clueless mentality way above and beyond being the least bit informed.
seriously, you aren't ready for this prime time discussion here with much smarter people. you are, in a word, more in line with discussion with those on...myspace.
291 wrote: the thread becomes expanded based on your contribution. if you wish to not have your thoughts expanded on from counter opinion, then just read and not post.
What Fun Productions wrote: This thread is not about me. And most importantly it is not about your huge ego.
ego? that sounds like don't challenge thin posts and upon doing so i'll cower and say, "it's not about me."
when you generalize without facts you make it about you. when you bring facts into the discussion it becomes challenging the facts.
Has Obama brought America together or not? It is a simple question....
"War on women"
Latinos "You must punish your enemies"
"1% vs 99%"
President Obama wants to divide Americans. It's the ONLY chance he will have to be reelected. He knows it and so do you.
Please remember he would not be President if MILLIONS of white Americans had not voted for him.
War on women? Yes and the GOP is sending in troops as we speak from trying to make abortions illegal again to forced vaginal probes. Remember Sandra Fluke and the horrible Rush Limbaugh comments? Latinos? Not many at the RNC convention. Some tried to come but were stopped in AZ. when they didn't have their papers. Get it? The GOP hasn't tried to figure what to do with millions of illegal people other then send them and their children back. Oh and to check all those that look Spanish for their ID. 1% of this country controls over 40% of the wealth. Its about time we changed that.
Obama in your mind divided us but were those divisions their and we ignored them. I see Obama trying to figure how we can pay for college. I heard Romney say to young people. If you want to start a business borrow from your parents. Gee, son I'd give you $100,000 but I left it in my other suit and its at the cleaners. Obama got NHC passed so now more people can see a doctor. Romney and his buddies feel if your broke as& has no insurance its your own damm fault. All said to laughter when Dr. Paul was asked that at a GOP debate. I heard Romney say he's against Gay marriage. Obama supports it. That is a division for sure but isn't the GOP all about personal freedom and less government intrusion.
The crazy thing is if Obama was the liberal the Right claims. Real liberals would adore him. They don't. Obama is a scapegoat for racist, homophobic dummies. Romney has the bigot vote for sure. Yep, Obama's divided us I guess.
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