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Diane Diederich
Posts: 84
Stafford Springs, Connecticut, US


It sucks when you are actually LOOKING for older models:)
Sep 25 12 06:03 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Strength Studios
Posts: 333
West Hazleton, Pennsylvania, US


Jeffrey M Fletcher wrote:

You seem to be asking for a more complete statement of the answer, I'll try.

Because they do not wish to be searched for, selected, compared, or judged based on the criteria of age.

Then is modeling the right career choice? I have never heard of a model being hired or selected without the criteria of age, or at least an "age range" that the model fits.

Sep 25 12 06:08 am  Link  Quote 
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NC Art Photos
Posts: 563
Raleigh, North Carolina, US


Jordan Bunniie wrote:

They dont want to be found in search.

Follow-up question - why have a profile on Model Mayhem to begin with if you don't want to be found in a search based on age, gender, race, stats, height and weight? 

What is this supposed to be - Facebook for models and photographers?

All are criteria I am asked to use to sort for selecting models to interview and hire for paying assignments.

Sep 25 12 06:13 am  Link  Quote 
Model
V Laroche
Posts: 2,745
New Orleans, Louisiana, US


NC Art Photos wrote:

Follow-up question - why have a profile on Model Mayhem to begin with if you don't want to be found in a search based on age, gender, race, stats, height and weight? 

What is this supposed to be - Facebook for models and photographers?

Uh, yeah

Sep 25 12 09:51 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
PTPhotoUT
Posts: 1,959
Salt Lake City, Utah, US


V Laroche wrote:

Uh, yeah

You know, V, I don't think I ever looked at your age on your profile until today. Yet somehow I found you. Maybe you wish I hadn't, but it wasn't that hard. But once I saw how old you are, I'm impressed. Can I get an AARP discount?

All kidding aside the age means nothing to me and I support your right to post what ever you please. Even if it does make me giggle when I see it.

Sep 25 12 10:03 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Stormee
Posts: 2,463
San Antonio, Texas, US


Sep 26 12 10:22 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
STUDIO A B
Posts: 412
New York, New York, US


THEY JUST DON'T WANT TO SAY THERE OVER 20 YEARS  OLDER WOMEN ARE VERY SEXY!!

michel
Sep 26 12 10:34 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Mark Salo
Posts: 8,009
Olney, Maryland, US


Diane Diederich  wrote:
It sucks when you are actually LOOKING for older models:)

+1

Sep 26 12 10:42 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
rp_photo
Posts: 42,488
Houston, Texas, US


sdgillis wrote:
Searching based on model stats is generally useless. Better off searching by "last time on" and limit it to..... Logged in within: 7 days in your area.  otherwise you are just investing in no answer/flakes regardless of stats.

Very true.

Sep 26 12 12:26 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Gentlemarine
Posts: 249
Waldorf, Maryland, US


To be honest, if someone 102 asked to model for me I would totally be there for them.

1. Craggy old faces look cool in black and white.
2. My boy scout instinct says to help the old lady cross the street.
3. Its unusual.
4. The nudes would be good gag gifts. 


Sorry for my randomness lol.
Sep 26 12 07:55 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
K I C K H A M
Posts: 14,489
Los Angeles, California, US


Dan OMell wrote:
> Hahahahahahahahaha. No, no. Vogue doesn't search MM.

not sure about Vogue, but the modern scouting agents find the new models (including 5-15 yo kids) in abandoned lands, in Siberian taiga and remote deserts...

you never know how they get a tip-off, plus the MM info data is collected by google, after all and pics are processed by image recognition software automatically

PhotoVogue Italy Online in their efforts to seek the new talented photogs, accepts the submissions from everybody (for free, and not like many "competitions" where you're supposed to pay sometimes outrageous entry fees), and the best pics go to their printed version.

And, like I said before, if a girl IS 26, and she SAYS she is 26, Vogue will not be interested upon finding her.

Please, read.

Girls shouldn't be worried about not being found on a site that no one high up takes seriously anyway, they have to worry more about their day to day lives.

Sep 27 12 12:56 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Rachell Kraze
Posts: 10
NEPTUNE, New Jersey, US


I met a fulltime freelance alternative/fetish model once who told me that she had to lie about her location because she has "stalkers", which doesn't surprise me for a beautiful alternative/fetish model so I guess that and the age thing is just a way of throwing off the creepers tongue
Sep 30 12 09:08 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Camerosity
Posts: 5,021
Saint Louis, Missouri, US


V Laroche wrote:
Why the fuck would Vogue be looking for models on MM? Christ.

For their next "Girls of MM" issue, of course. lol

Sep 30 12 09:18 pm  Link  Quote 
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john_ellis
Posts: 4,375
Spokane, Washington, US


K I C K H A M wrote:
Girls shouldn't be worried about not being found on a site that no one high up takes seriously anyway, they have to worry more about their day to day lives.

It's possible that many don't want to be found via the "search" function by photographers, and would instead prefer to wait for casting calls that they can choose to reply to.

That's my guess anyway.




Either that, or they're hoping that casting agents for Depends search MM for models.

Sep 30 12 09:19 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
William Kious
Posts: 8,837
Delphos, Ohio, US


Models setting their age to 100+ does NOT eliminate them from the search function. That little "bug" was fixed some time ago. Do a browse... 3643 female models are currently members here who are centenarians.

Setting an age to 100+ is only going to eliminate those who search based on a narrowed age range. Period.

It's just one thing that severely limits the usefulness of this website at times. I wonder how much membership would drop if a simple script was written to eliminate members who haven't logged in within the last, say, two years. I'm guessing it would lead to a drop of at least 20% (if not much more.) I guess having 707,314 "active" members is a more impressive number to lure potential advertisers. wink
Sep 30 12 09:41 pm  Link  Quote 
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Wysiwyg Photography
Posts: 6,326
Salt Lake City, Utah, US


William Kious wrote:
Models setting their age to 100+ does NOT eliminate them from the search function. That little "bug" was fixed some time ago. Do a browse... 3643 female models are currently members here who are centenarians.

Setting an age to 100+ is only going to eliminate those who search based on a narrowed age range. Period.

It's just one thing that severely limits the usefulness of this website at times. I wonder how much membership would drop if a simple script was written to eliminate members who haven't logged in within the last, say, two years. I'm guessing it would lead to a drop of at least 20% (if not much more.) I guess having 707,314 "active" members is a more impressive number to lure potential advertisers. wink

I will agree to a point, though for me.. that would be a bonus. and a REASON to be a member.

If someone could filter out when the last time someone logged in.. I would totally implement and use that filter.
As it stands, when I have a gig coming up, I only use two filters "Model" and "Nudes: Yes".
so, even the "102" year olds come up.. and like I said earlier.. I actually have eyes to look at the photos to see if this "102" year old fits the look I am going for.

Diane Diederich  wrote:
It sucks when you are actually LOOKING for older models:)

I feel the age filter is just a guide to give you a starting point.

If you are looking for an "older model" and lets say you happened across a model that her real age was around 26 or so but lets say life wasn't to kind to her and she actually LOOKED like she was in her 40s (met one not too long ago, but didn't say anything about it of course.)... then using her for a "older model" would work no?

Oct 01 12 12:53 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Ladyartist
Posts: 9
Nuneaton, England, United Kingdom


What are you supposed to look like when you are in your 40's ? I'm 40+
Oct 01 12 02:04 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
William Kious
Posts: 8,837
Delphos, Ohio, US


Wysiwyg Photography wrote:
If someone could filter out when the last time someone logged in.. I would totally implement and use that filter.

You sorta can by using the "Logged in within..." filter. I usually set that to within the past 10 days. Beyond that, chances are you're getting a bunch of semi-active members.

Oct 03 12 03:37 am  Link  Quote 
Model
lady maria
Posts: 190
Emmen, Drenthe, Netherlands


I am proud of my age !  And if I miss some jobs because of the search-options, than so be it....
Oct 03 12 03:51 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
BT Imagery
Posts: 1,016
Cedar Falls, Iowa, US


rp_photo wrote:
Because for some reason, MM refuses to consider "n/a" as an age option.

Sure wish my age would be 'non applicable'! lol.

Oct 03 12 12:16 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Black Sunshine
Posts: 811
Austin, Texas, US


1. Why not just have a "don't include me in searches" option?
2. MM is a dirty word in the professional magazine scene as is TF
Oct 03 12 12:20 pm  Link  Quote 
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john_ellis
Posts: 4,375
Spokane, Washington, US


Black Sunshine wrote:
1. Why not just have a "don't include me in searches" option?

Pfft.  How come you hafta be all "making sense" and shit here, huh???

Really great suggestion, but it seems like this site is more about "keeping things the same" more than they are about changing with or towards the industry.

Oct 03 12 12:27 pm  Link  Quote 
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Lee Nutter
Posts: 160
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia


Usually, aside from geographical constraints, my only search parameter is that the model is older than 18yo. I'll take a look at their pictures and decide if they fit my concept. Dress and cup size says almost nothing about a person. So, even 102yo models will come up in my searches smile
Oct 08 12 09:01 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Miroslava Svoboda
Posts: 555
Seattle, Washington, US


Wysiwyg Photography wrote:
so, even the "102" year olds come up.. and like I said earlier.. I actually have eyes to look at the photos to see if this "102" year old fits the look I am going for.

I feel the age filter is just a guide to give you a starting point.

If you are looking for an "older model" and lets say you happened across a model that her real age was around 26 or so but lets say life wasn't to kind to her and she actually LOOKED like she was in her 40s (met one not too long ago, but didn't say anything about it of course.)... then using her for a "older model" would work no?

Exactly why I wouldn't put my age on there. If a photographer can't discern my age then probably that age filter is useless anyways.

Oct 08 12 09:11 pm  Link  Quote 
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SugarSharai photography
Posts: 387
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada


K I C K H A M wrote:

Hahahahahahahahaha. No, no. Vogue doesn't search MM.

Also, if they are putting 102, they are likely either not wanting to be searched (and a lot of people looking for young models put a max age, like 24, and it leaves them out), or they are above the age range that would be ideal anyway (16-22ish). Vogue doesn't go searching for 27 year-old models.

So, if they're 27 and look 21, why do they not put 21 or 22, something believable? Outside the not being searchable, they may not want to be misleading. If someone says they are 21 and they are 25, if you find out, you might get mad because you BELIEVED they were 21. If someone says they are 102, either you don't believe it, or you're entirely too gullible.

Obviously, this ^.    They just dont want their age known period... End of story.    You cant "lie" about it, because thats misleading... You can choose to hold back information however.    Sometimes age shouldnt matter, an perhaps any photographer who is looking for a specific age range is not looking for what other photographers are?    Example: grade 12 girl looks old enough to be a 19th century mother in a fashion shoot she did.. (How old is this... Do we know?   Nope... Could be 15...   However she was very well dressed, and looked about 30.)


Either way, its about the "look" not how long they have HAD it for, or how long it has left to be  there for...

Oct 08 12 09:25 pm  Link  Quote 
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Jerry Nemeth
Posts: 26,723
Dearborn, Michigan, US


Ladyartist wrote:
What are you supposed to look like when you are in your 40's ? I'm 40+

Some 40+ models look fantastic.  Some don't.  I have photographed 4 great looking 40+ models.  One just sent me a PM tonight about a shoot.

Oct 08 12 09:29 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Princess Dasha
Posts: 57
Malmö, Skåne, Sweden


I am a 100 years old. I would ask of you to respect that i did not fake my age for the sake of MM! I was born a while back and have been drinking pineapple juice ever since just to keep myself from developing elephant skin! big_smile

Kidding aside... I'd say like many other scouting website/business networking websites MM should definitely have a virtual age setting and an actual age setting because if someone is serious about hiring a model they would care about what they deliver visually in the age range the client is looking for, not how old they really are on their birth certificate.
Oct 09 12 03:50 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Eliza C
Posts: 7,884
Monmouth, Wales, United Kingdom


PashaPhoto wrote:

i think it's been fixed, but at some point setting your age to over 100 basically made sure that search wouldn't find you at all... and i mean at all...

keep in mind, some people don't want to be found by everyone smile

This is true. People forget for models this is a portfolio hosting site and it is quite possible to use it for purely that purpose. I have spoken to two agency models here under pseudonyms who don't want to be found in searches but want to use the port hosting to canvas for work themselves - and not necessarily among MM members.

Oct 09 12 05:14 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Aaliyah Love
Posts: 113
Los Angeles, California, US


JoJo wrote:

for the same reason a 22 year old photographer can 'boast' 10 years of professional experience but want to TF with models to expand their port past 5 images of their girlfriend.

lol:)

Oct 15 12 02:14 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
SPierce Photography
Posts: 19,566
Amherst, Massachusetts, US


Has it ever occurred that people do that SO they don't turn up in searches?
Oct 15 12 04:11 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Bob Freund
Posts: 884
Prescott, Arizona, US


Because there are a lot of 122 year old photographers out there.
Oct 15 12 04:17 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Lea Eden
Posts: 32
Glastonbury, England, United Kingdom


How refreshing, my partner is a photographer, he and I agree 100%, well said that Man smile


Wysiwyg Photography wrote:
Every single time I see a thread that 'addresses' this concern... it makes me think "Why do you even care?"

Does your camera magically photograph a number associated with the would-be llama and there for MUST have a llama of a given age?

Models that put 100  as their age don't WANT to be searched.
Some actually get discriminated against if they put their true age instead of the age they LOOK LIKE!

Look at a fuckin' photo and if they have the look you need, it shouldn't matter if they are 18 or 50... the look fits your needs.

Also... please post a reputable agency where the llama's age is attached to their portfolio.

Oct 15 12 01:26 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Looknsee Photography
Posts: 20,816
Portland, Oregon, US


Y'see -- I always assumed that if you don't specify your birth year, MM automatically says you are 100 years old.  See, I assume that the model is not choosing to say she's 100 years old; it's just a bug feature of MM's implementation.  Then, on the anniversary of your joining, MM adds 1 to your age.

But I don't know -- I just assume.
Oct 15 12 01:34 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
The Red Menace
Posts: 26
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia


Gary Melton wrote:
A few models have found a workaround...I've noticed several models whose profiles display no age at all...

Oh, I would love to know how- I'd like to not include my age.

Oct 17 12 05:02 am  Link  Quote 
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