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Hikari Tech Photography
Posts: 791
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


Photography by Riddell wrote:
I see so few latex / gothic shots etc. commercially used.

The only places I see them on a regular basis are low end magazines.

So why do so many models clambour to get them?
It just seems hugely disproportionate for the amount of work out there in that arena.

Paul.
www.photographybyriddell.co.uk

Must be your neck of the woods. hmm

While I was living in Tokyo, the Lolita, GothLolita trend was there but no so much back in Vancouver. Local trends I figure that some want to grow but really don't.

Sep 26 12 02:13 am  Link  Quote 
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Julia Francesca
Posts: 2,310
Maumee, Ohio, US


Van Burnham wrote:
I did a latex shot last week and the images we created are some of my favorite... I think latex can be classy if done right.
http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120921/20/505d364c8c15c_m.jpg
http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120921/20/505d364bc7a58_m.jpg
http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120921/20/505d364aefabc_m.jpg
That last photo isn't nudity because I'm a boy

i love those!!!! where's the latex from?

Sep 26 12 05:00 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Koryn
Posts: 34,692
Boston, Massachusetts, US


Latex is not necessarily "goth."

Latex is just a type of shiny, sexy apparel that some people find arousing to look at, and interact with, in the same way some people find lacy panties, or pretty feet, sexually appealing. Latex wear and play can be an aspect of someone's private life, and/or something they do for income and fun.

"Goth," from what I understand, is more of an aesthetic and worldview.

Wanting to shoot latex does not make a model "goth," just as dressing in Victorian-style corsets, and preferring Bauhaus music, does not mean someone will automatically be attracted to latex clothing, or play.
Sep 26 12 08:44 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Van Burnham
Posts: 89
Portland, Oregon, US


Caustic Disco wrote:

i love those!!!! where's the latex from?

Vital Vein (www.vitalvein.com). These are samples from her 2013 line

Sep 26 12 08:49 am  Link  Quote 
Model
P I X I E
Posts: 35,090
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


DAN CRUIKSHANK wrote:
Goth and alternative seems to be much more lenient on model measurements... I find that most models who seek this kind of work simply don't have the right measurements for mainstream.

I don't shoot 'mainstream' because I find it boring.

And also, good that goth and alt are more lenient. You talk about it almost with some kind of disdain... What's the problem?

Sep 26 12 09:01 am  Link  Quote 
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Cynthia Serrano
Posts: 12,436
Newark, New Jersey, US


P I X I E wrote:

I don't shoot 'mainstream' because I find it boring.

And also, good that goth and alt are more lenient. You talk about it almost with some kind of disdain... What's the problem?

This ^ smile shooting alt/goth is awesome

Sep 26 12 09:17 am  Link  Quote 
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lady maria
Posts: 190
Emmen, Drenthe, Netherlands


I agree with Pixie, I can not see the " problem"  with alt/fetish/Gothic ....  It is the same as erotic pictures or fine nude art;  some pics are awe-full and tacky and some are real good quality work.  It depends all on the photography and the model involved...
Sep 26 12 12:47 pm  Link  Quote 
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Julia Francesca
Posts: 2,310
Maumee, Ohio, US


Van Burnham wrote:

Vital Vein (www.vitalvein.com). These are samples from her 2013 line

Thanks!! big_smile

Sep 26 12 12:51 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Anthony Altamore
Posts: 58
Chicago, Illinois, US


Tim Roper wrote:
You might like this one:

http://fashiongonerogue.com/karlie-klos … reg-kadel/

I've never really been a fan of latex in general (too kitschy/costumy for my taste), but I love this story.  Probably because it's not all candy colors and she's so stick-thin that it avoids the whole muffin top thing.

Sep 26 12 02:22 pm  Link  Quote 
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Zuri D
Posts: 372
Phoenix, Arizona, US


As many have sad befoe, latex is sexy. I haven't had the opportunity to shoot in some, but I'd jump on it.
Sep 26 12 05:42 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
P I X I E
Posts: 35,090
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Van Burnham wrote:
I did a latex shot last week and the images we created are some of my favorite... I think latex can be classy if done right.
http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120921/20/505d364c8c15c_m.jpg
http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120921/20/505d364bc7a58_m.jpg
http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120921/20/505d364aefabc_m.jpg
That last photo isn't nudity because I'm a boy

Okay seriously, you have an amazing look dude. LOVE your portfolio!

Sep 26 12 08:05 pm  Link  Quote 
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Van Burnham
Posts: 89
Portland, Oregon, US


P I X I E wrote:

Okay seriously, you have an amazing look dude. LOVE your portfolio!

Thank you! smile

Sep 26 12 09:16 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
DinoUnchained
Posts: 921
Portland, Oregon, US


Winnie L wrote:
For fun. They look cool.

.... There is a market for them. Alt models are highly sought after. Maybe it is just not the market you are working in. And not all of them are published only in low end magazines, that's your assumption.

+1

Sep 27 12 03:55 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
M Pandolfo Photography
Posts: 12,113
Tampa, Florida, US


Photography by Riddell wrote:
I see so few latex / gothic shots etc. commercially used.

The only places I see them on a regular basis are low end magazines.

So why do so many models clambour to get them?
It just seems hugely disproportionate for the amount of work out there in that arena.

Because if I'm ever sending models over to a client for approval I never send those kind of shots, because its just so far from what the client wants. I get all sorts of different requests from clients for all sorts of different models, but no one ever gets close to that kind of look.

Paul.
www.photographybyriddell.co.uk

I'm only guessing but I would assume it's because they're not commercial models? Or at least not intending on using those images for the purpose of obtaining commercial assignments.

If I were a model and 99 out of 100 pm's are asking me to pose nude or in a bikini, I'm sure I would be desperate to pose in something more unique and typically considered "edgy" and cool too.

Even the most mainstream portfolios want to spice things up once in a while.

Sep 27 12 04:14 pm  Link  Quote 
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J u s t i n G i l l
Posts: 452
Los Angeles, California, US


Photography by Riddell wrote:
I see so few latex / gothic shots etc. commercially used.

The only places I see them on a regular basis are low end magazines.

So why do so many models clambour to get them?
It just seems hugely disproportionate for the amount of work out there in that arena.

Because if I'm ever sending models over to a client for approval I never send those kind of shots, because its just so far from what the client wants. I get all sorts of different requests from clients for all sorts of different models, but no one ever gets close to that kind of look.

I think this just underscores your particular market and clientele, as well as how well read-up on these types of magazines you are.


I can personally vouch that here in Los Angeles, there's a virtually screaming market for alt and latex and (to a lesser degree) gothic-styled modeling and shooting.

One thing that can be said is that latex wardrobe design is labor-intensive and rather expensive, especially since many outfits are custom-made.  This makes it a very particular market that not everyone can just "jump into."  Also, it's still a relatively new and burgeoning fashion niche.  Coco Chanel didn't become a household name overnight.

But if your personal clients aren't asking for it, then I wouldn't worry about it too much.

Sep 30 12 12:05 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Fetigraphy
Posts: 8
Brisbane, Queensland, Australia


I'm trying to show the Aussies that latex can be used in so many different ways. I keep getting the "oh my god its gross" once latex is mentioned but between the celebrities wearing it and high end catwalk collections in Milan and paris they get into it and want to shoot. :-) I shoot for fun and also to show that it can be done in so many different ways. However as someone above mentioned its not cheap. I provide the latex wardrobe for all my shoots and most models don't have their own latex.. well at least until they have worn it once. Many of the models i shoot buy their own latex once they have tried it.

yes its expensive but its my hobby and well.. i love what i do. :-)
Oct 02 12 07:24 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Alabaster Crowley
Posts: 4,673
Tucson, Arizona, US


Anthony Altamore wrote:
I've never really been a fan of latex in general (too kitschy/costumy for my taste), but I love this story.  Probably because it's not all candy colors and she's so stick-thin that it avoids the whole muffin top thing.

If latex is worn right, it doesn't give a muffin top. It's tight in a way that's flattering; it holds you in.

Also, here are several high fashion latex designers.

An amazing one is http://www.atsukokudo.com/Home/

Absolutely amazing stuff. Not at all what you usually think of when it comes to latex.

I'm blanking on the other specific designer I'm trying to think of, bah.

Edit:

Laura Dark Photography wrote:
Read this:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_West

Oh this one, which was already mentioned on page one. Derp.

Oct 04 12 12:17 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
_ Robyn Elizabeth _
Posts: 436
London, England, United Kingdom


Already mentioned - but year because it's fun.

Plus from a personal point of view - I spent a lot of money on my latex (to wear clubbing) and as I have it, I want some awesome pictures of it!
Oct 08 12 05:39 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jay Black
Posts: 163
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


Because the dark side is taking over the planet and art imitates life.
Nov 02 12 11:08 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
KathTea Katastrophy
Posts: 76
Kuala Lumpur, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia


Winnie L wrote:

wink And you gotta admit it is fun, just got to add that in tongue

Thumbs up!

Nov 03 12 01:03 am  Link  Quote 
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Kayz-Modelling
Posts: 294
Plymouth, England, United Kingdom


Photography by Riddell wrote:
I see so few latex / gothic shots etc. commercially used.

The only places I see them on a regular basis are low end magazines.

So why do so many models clambour to get them?
It just seems hugely disproportionate for the amount of work out there in that arena.

Because if I'm ever sending models over to a client for approval I never send those kind of shots, because its just so far from what the client wants. I get all sorts of different requests from clients for all sorts of different models, but no one ever gets close to that kind of look.

Paul.
www.photographybyriddell.co.uk

Maybe because for the model it isn't just about what the client wants, maybe they would like shots of the specific work in their book.

I love latex and would jump at the chance to do a latex shoot... because I like it, not because of my modelling but because that's my personal choice smile

Also the alternative market is Very open to latex, and well of course gothic shots...

Hope this helped
Kayz

Nov 03 12 05:33 am  Link  Quote 
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Jolly Rauncher
Posts: 1,515
Seattle, Washington, US


Why do so many photographers come to the model forum to complain? Do we complain a lot in the photographer forum? I rarely visit those threads so I really don't know if we are guilty of the same, but seriously.

To stay on-topic though, I dunno what kind of reading material interests you, but I have seen plenty of high-quality, wonderful latex photography in visual literature from around the globe (and only a few were catering to the goth subculture). Perhaps before you make an assumption you should do a bit more research on the subject.
Nov 03 12 06:51 am  Link  Quote 
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brian selway
Posts: 53
Leicester, England, United Kingdom


I see no problem with models wanting a latex shoot, it's a lot more interesting to work with than most fabrics, IMHO, looks flattering, and shows the model's shape..one could argue that it's more useful in a port than a model burried under several layers of high fashion, so the next potential client has no real clue what they're hiring!
Besides, it's fun, and it looks good. Simple!
Nov 03 12 07:09 am  Link  Quote 
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Dan OMell
Posts: 1,322
Charlotte, North Carolina, US


for them, it psychologically could be as the second skin.
in the lines of kinda Kōbō Abe's "The Face of Another".
the same with cosmetics. it's like being naked without really being naked. maybe it's like acting and/or having multiple personalities in a good sense. could be obsession even. and a lot of varieties. high/low etc smile

in general, of course. some particular llamas really hate it too. but it's rare. probably, by the same above listed reason(s). it depends.
Nov 03 12 07:12 am  Link  Quote 
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Image Magik
Posts: 1,067
New Orleans, Louisiana, US


It's the in thing right now.
Nov 03 12 07:16 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
PhotoVRG
Posts: 33
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US


I haven't seen anything that I would like to do in terms of latex. I would do it if somebody paid me to do it though. Or if we came to an understanding (TF*) in which I would get the shots I want and in return we can do some that she wants to do for her own reasons.

The bottom line is I don't care much about latex unless I can find a way to market that.
Nov 03 12 07:33 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Wild Image Media
Posts: 173
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory, Australia


Freedom of  expression is what its about
Nov 03 12 07:45 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Jojo West
Posts: 969
Silver Spring, Maryland, US


Photography by Riddell wrote:
I see so few latex / gothic shots etc. commercially used.

The only places I see them on a regular basis are low end magazines.

So why do so many models clambour to get them?
It just seems hugely disproportionate for the amount of work out there in that arena.

Because if I'm ever sending models over to a client for approval I never send those kind of shots, because its just so far from what the client wants. I get all sorts of different requests from clients for all sorts of different models, but no one ever gets close to that kind of look.

Paul.
www.photographybyriddell.co.uk

Because latex is fun. I've got a few shots in my port where I'm wearing a latex waist cincher. There are limits of course to what's tasteful with latex. Overall though, it's fun!

As far as the goth, personally a well done goth look can be quite beautiful. It's the way I feel most comfortable on my personal time (I work full-time that's a no-no). I also think it's good to show versatility. Oh and the low-end mag thing, I get to differ. I've seen many well known photogs do some light latex and "dark couture".

http://media-cache-lt0.pinterest.com/upload/546976317212607137_YdkKTS5Z_c.jpg
smile

Nov 05 12 05:43 pm  Link  Quote 
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Brightonn
Posts: 234
New Orleans, Louisiana, US


Dekilah wrote:
When I first started modeling I really, really wanted to do Japanese gothic lolita, gothic Victorian, and latex modeling. The "high fashion" looking stuff, not the punk/Hot Topic stuff. I wanted to do it simply because I thought it looked gorgeous. Latex in particular looked very sleek, erotic, and aristocratic in a more modern way (obviously I had a specific style in mind). Plus, I thought I could pull off all three styles pretty well given my "look." Unfortunately, I had neither the funds to purchase the wardrobe myself nor the connections to get it otherwise, so aside from one latex shoot that I never really got photos from, I have not been able to do any of it.

I would still shoot it if ever given the chance and for basically the same reasons. I like the look and I think I could rock it. ^_~

I'm sure you've checked artifice: http://www.artificeclothing.com/em/shop … pdates.asp

but I must praise there ability to custom fit at a reasonable price, I have personel experience.

Nov 05 12 08:40 pm  Link  Quote 
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Brightonn
Posts: 234
New Orleans, Louisiana, US


sorry repeated message.
Nov 05 12 08:40 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 11,750
Olivet, Michigan, US


Photography by Riddell wrote:
I see so few latex / gothic shots etc. commercially used.

The only places I see them on a regular basis are low end magazines.

So why do so many models clambour to get them?
It just seems hugely disproportionate for the amount of work out there in that arena.

Because if I'm ever sending models over to a client for approval I never send those kind of shots, because its just so far from what the client wants. I get all sorts of different requests from clients for all sorts of different models, but no one ever gets close to that kind of look.

Paul.
www.photographybyriddell.co.uk

I don't think I've ever had a model specifically request a "latex" shoot, although someone might have brought an item or two in their wardrobe selections.

Nov 05 12 09:09 pm  Link  Quote 
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Amelia Talon
Posts: 1,470
Los Angeles, California, US


Photography by Riddell wrote:
I see so few latex / gothic shots etc. commercially used.

The only places I see them on a regular basis are low end magazines.

So why do so many models clambour to get them?
It just seems hugely disproportionate for the amount of work out there in that arena.

Because if I'm ever sending models over to a client for approval I never send those kind of shots, because its just so far from what the client wants. I get all sorts of different requests from clients for all sorts of different models, but no one ever gets close to that kind of look.

Paul.
www.photographybyriddell.co.uk

Fashion can be pretty dark. Not all 'real' jobs are looking for that 'toothpaste commercial' girl. Diversify.

Nov 05 12 11:26 pm  Link  Quote 
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Alabaster Crowley
Posts: 4,673
Tucson, Arizona, US


Brightonn wrote:

I'm sure you've checked artifice: http://www.artificeclothing.com/em/shop … pdates.asp

but I must praise there ability to custom fit at a reasonable price, I have personel experience.

They do PVC, not latex. It's amazing, still.

Nov 06 12 01:27 am  Link  Quote 
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Eliza C
Posts: 7,884
Monmouth, Wales, United Kingdom


I think there is plenty of viability for commercial benefit from latex/goth shoots and one sees it in a broad range of magazines from Tattoo magazines to low circulation but very high brow fashion/art magazines.
I don't do that much but have done my fair share and so have the kit in my wardrobe even though it's generally not what I would choose. I have even been asked to wear it in fine art classes; I guess the shiny is nice to draw. I think it can produce a very striking look exagerating figure pose and posture. There are plenty of models who identify with the image and scene themselves but there is no shortage of demand from the photographers either or of course the designers that produce it. Because they target a specialised market don't assume there is not a large clientelle and magazines that feature it such as Bizarre. I suggest the op goes to Torture Garden sometime if you really want an answer to this.
http://www.torturegarden.com/home/

But it isn't a question of models clamouring to get them - take a look at the castings sometime: plenty of photographers clamouring to get us in the stuff! From those who want to do Newtonesque type images to tattooed/latex pin up shots to the hardcore fetish type shoots. The models that specialise in it will be in demand and making a reasonable income from it. One of the MM girls here, Nina Kate,  designs latex wear and is also one of the most highly sought after models. My friend Ceri (Snarl) among others models for her, and others, too:
http://janedoelatex.bigcartel.com/
They get plenty of copy and it's all very high quality production values and clothing.

As for gothic well essentially it's about drama and theatre. Values that can often enhance a shoot idea. People like dressing up and becoming a character in imagery and real life. I go every month to a goth night and it's fun because of that reason alone but also people are friendly it isn't intimidating and the music is great. There are always photographers there because people look dramatic rather than hum drum.
Nov 06 12 02:23 am  Link  Quote 
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Accidental Plateau
Posts: 7,715
Brooklyn, New York, US


Photography by Riddell wrote:
So why do so many models clambour to get them?

Your sample pool is very small.

It just seems that way. The whole alt/gothic/manson cult scene is a place for people who are too lazy/crazy/angry/delusional/selfish to fit in with society to feel they are 'part' of something.

The one thing an 'alt' person hates more than a mainstream person is another alt person upstaging them.

Ever notice all the flame wars over what or who is REALLY goth ?

They have no commercial value because most people do not want to stew in negativity. They want to fit in.

Do self-published books affect literature?

The whole alt scene is funded by parents of the participants or public benefits such as SSI etc. These people derive $upport from families or SSI, Food Stamps and Medicaid. Or they fund themselves with black market drugs, theft, fraud, etc.

Adidas or Nike is not paying for it.

Just walk up Second Ave. from Houston St to 14th Street and you will see all these withered worn, smokey, hunched over tatooed women that thought they were cool in the 70s/80s punk scene yelling at passerbys.

OP, just ignore it all.

http://www.thinkinghousewife.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/article-0-0D92A83C00000578-952_468x518.jpg

Nov 06 12 04:54 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Le_Demimonde
Posts: 100
Boston, Massachusetts, US


Latex is sooo strange but BOOTs, now that's good clickin'!
Nov 06 12 05:02 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Gabby57
Posts: 346
Coppell, Texas, US


Alabaster Crowley wrote:
They do PVC, not latex. It's amazing, still.

These look pretty good.  Of course PVC doesn't have the elastic properties of latex, but should be less expensive, and, if properly formulated, less prone to skin irritation.

As per the OP, I to like the classic dramatic look of medevilism, not really sure how what's called "Gothic" today got the name though.

Nov 06 12 05:20 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Ally Moy
Posts: 404
Morris Plains, New Jersey, US


Alt stuff is really popular, easy to freelance, and seems to have a pretty steady amount of people paying for small shoots instead of doing test/trade.
Nov 06 12 05:18 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Dobias Fine Art Photo
Posts: 1,658
Haddon Heights, New Jersey, US


Just the way many young male llamas want to be James Dean to be the Young Angst Man, many young female llamas want to go Goth to be the Young Angst Girl.  It's a portrait of their psychology at a certain age.  They aren't necessarily shots taken for commercial advancement inasmuch as shots of personal expression of the llama.  And it's that personal expression and collaboration with the photographer that makes the shot, unlike two gallons of silicone.

You can't airbrush soul into a shot.
Nov 06 12 05:46 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Oscar Partida
Posts: 726
San Diego, California, US


Because it's easier to replicate than Avant Garde
Nov 07 12 03:21 pm  Link  Quote 
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