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Carl Roberts
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Saint Petersburg, Florida, US


My issue with this entire conversation is that I represent a number of women in the industry

But 2 in particular I represent I want to talk about

The first woman was in a very strict marriage, was marginalized as a woman and a daughter and when she found her freedom she was going to do what she damn well wanted. This woman was VERY clear going into the business that she was smart, well educated, knew EXACTLY what she wanted and how she was going to get it.

She moved to LA, started up the ranks with VIVID, has her face on the covers of DVD's and was doing instructional videos, went to the AVN's and planning on making the business her life.

Then she found Jesus

Totally backtracking on everything she ever did. Can't deny she did it voluntarily, but is trying her best. Now is preaching the evils of porn.

Girl #2 was broke, offered a chance to make a buck and could not see past that $100 bill. Did a swingers video, had fun, made a buck and decided to do a couple of more. Did a couple of b/g vids, did some webcam stuff, some g/g stuff and then decided that the money was not really that great, that she was going to go straight and get a boyfriend.

Gets the boyfriend, the boyfriends friends actually Google her name and lo and behold, (unbeknownst to her) there is her face on a DVD case. (Technically it was her face looking over her shoulder as a giant schlong was being stuck in her pooper) She kind of knew that there might be a DVD, but did not really think about the fact that IT"S GOING TO BE ON DVD AND SHE WILL BE ON THE COVER.

Holy hell her world came to an end.
Shit hits the fan like nobody's business. Lost the boy, lost the family, called every evil name in the book by anybody she thought was a "Friend". She comes boo hoo crying to me to try and make it all go away off the internet.

Bottom line is, regardless of why you get into the business, what you do will be there forever. And regardless of how SURE you are that you know EXACTLY what you are doing and this is the PERFECT thing for you, things change, your feelings change, your relationships change and that video may well haunt you for the rest of your life.

So while there may well be women in the industry that are doing it, glad they are doing it and are profiting from it, there are also others that are not so happy.
Sep 25 12 02:53 pm  Link  Quote 
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rfordphotos
Posts: 4,841
Antioch, California, US


Over the past 30+ years I have known several women who worked in "porn". Not one of them was coerced, or forced into the business. About 75% were working their way thru school, and when they graduated, they moved on to careers outside porn. Two of them stayed in the industry after they quit acting, one as a director, one as a pretty successful producer.

Over the years, as porn has become more acceptable, socially, the industry has moved more towards mainstream methods and ethics. Maybe 50 years ago girls were drugged and coerced, at least enough to be the foundation of the stories.... But these days, there is simply no need. Castings are well attended, there is NO shortage of talent, and no need to take any unfair advantage of anyone.

It is most likely MUCH less "risky behavior" to make a porn film now than it was 50 years ago, both physically and socially.

Be honest... you have watched it, right? Chances are you have some on your computer.... Millions if not Billions are spent on porn every year... someone is watching smile
Sep 25 12 03:02 pm  Link  Quote 
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-Nicole-
Posts: 19,209
Madison, Wisconsin, US


Lisa Andresen wrote:
95% of sex industry workers have been sexually abused as well as low self esteem.

Wow..

Just because you hate porn cause hubs was "addicted" doesn't mean you should pull outstanding figures outof your ass..

Link? Anything? Or is this just you, once again, posting something without any backup.

Sep 25 12 03:48 pm  Link  Quote 
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GK photo
Posts: 27,994
Laguna Beach, California, US


Lisa Andresen wrote:
95% of sex industry workers have been sexually abused as well as low self esteem.

-Nicole- wrote:
Wow..

Just because you hate porn cause hubs was "addicted" doesn't mean you should pull outstanding figures outof your ass..

Link? Anything? Or is this just you, once again, posting something without any backup.

don't kid yourself. the fundie crowd bandies about the same general numbers when "discussing" homosexuals.

Sep 25 12 03:50 pm  Link  Quote 
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udor
Posts: 22,295
New York, New York, US


-Nicole- wrote:
Wow..

Just because you hate porn cause hubs was "addicted" doesn't mean you should pull outstanding figures outof your ass..

Link? Anything? Or is this just you, once again, posting something without any backup.

GK photo wrote:
don't kid yourself. the fundie crowd bandies about the same general numbers when "discussing" homosexuals.

Yeah, like... 95% of all homosexuals are gay! tongue

Sep 25 12 05:09 pm  Link  Quote 
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Jeffrey M Fletcher
Posts: 4,344
Asheville, North Carolina, US


I'm perplexed at the 95% figure. When making things up why not go for 100%?
Sep 25 12 05:30 pm  Link  Quote 
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figurativearts
Posts: 5,723
Cottonwood, Arizona, US


GK photo wrote:

don't kid yourself. the fundie crowd bandies about the same general numbers when "discussing" homosexuals.

actually its a problem in the church. the majority use porn,
http://www.crosswalk.com/church/pastors … 36107.html

and the most conservative religious state in the union has the most pornsubscribers per capita
http://blogs.computerworld.com/online_porn

8 of the top 10 porn states are republican.
the lowest 6 porn use states are democratic.

and its no different in the middle east
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/07/12 … -material/

fundamentalism seems to drive porn usage

Sep 25 12 05:41 pm  Link  Quote 
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Alabaster Crowley
Posts: 8,264
Tucson, Arizona, US


Digital Photo PLUS wrote:

http://www.indeed.com/salary?q1=Senior+ … gton%2C+DC

That's an average.

And if you don't want to be a Senior IT Security Analyst because that sounds boring as fuck?

Sep 25 12 05:46 pm  Link  Quote 
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Alabaster Crowley
Posts: 8,264
Tucson, Arizona, US


Pinups4 wrote:
if u like sex, wouldn't you rather pick your partners and activities

Pretty much every contract adult actor/actress does pick who they work with, or even those not contracted but who work in the real industry (read: not one off scenes.)

Sep 25 12 05:48 pm  Link  Quote 
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Miss AY
Posts: 8,166
Boston, Massachusetts, US


Digital Photo PLUS wrote:

http://www.indeed.com/salary?q1=Senior+ … gton%2C+DC

That's an average.

I would not consider that a regular job. That type of position - being a senior IT security analyst - is something that requires years of education and experience to attain. It doesn't really make sense to hold that type of work up in comparison to porn and say "well why don't the girls just do THIS to make money instead?".

Sep 25 12 05:55 pm  Link  Quote 
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GK photo
Posts: 27,994
Laguna Beach, California, US


udor wrote:
Yeah, like... 95% of all homosexuals are gay! tongue

i thought that went down to 92%. smile

dayum; i hadn't listened to the interview until a few minutes ago. that dude doing the interviewing is fucking creeptastic! lol

Sep 25 12 06:42 pm  Link  Quote 
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Koryn
Posts: 36,617
Boston, Massachusetts, US


Lisa Andresen wrote:
95% of sex industry workers have been sexually abused as well as low self esteem.

I worked in adult entertainment for three years. I stripped, and shot (non hardcore) soft, girly-erotic content.

I've never been sexually abused, and I feel pretty good about myself. I'm smart, attractive, financially solvent. I'm not sure where you got that statistic, but you might want to read a few more references.

I also have a few friends who've worked in hardcore. I know 4-5 women who are escorts. None of them are what I would call "damaged," not anymore so than anyone else. They like sex; they like making money. They like the thrill, and enjoy feeling naughty. That's not necessarily a bad thing. If you're that sort of person anyway, why not get paid for it?

Sep 25 12 06:48 pm  Link  Quote 
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Cait Chan
Posts: 6,272
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US


Augustine York wrote:
I would not consider that a regular job. That type of position - being a senior IT security analyst - is something that requires years of education and experience to attain. It doesn't really make sense to hold that type of work up in comparison to porn and say "well why don't the girls just do THIS to make money instead?".

Being a secretary for a Doctor's office is a 'regular' job, being a line cook at a restaurant is a 'regular job.

For fucks sake being a Senior IT Security Analyst isn't a regular fucking job. There's a reason they make more than six figures.... Hello...

Sep 25 12 06:55 pm  Link  Quote 
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Wysiwyg Photography
Posts: 6,326
Salt Lake City, Utah, US


ShivaKitty wrote:

I worked in adult entertainment for three years. I stripped, and shot (non hardcore) soft, girly-erotic content.

I've never been sexually abused, and I feel pretty good about myself. I'm smart, attractive, financially solvent. I'm not sure where you got that statistic, but you might want to read a few more references.

I also have a few friends who've worked in hardcore. I know 4-5 women who are escorts. None of them are what I would call "damaged," not anymore so than anyone else. They like sex; they like making money. They like the thrill, and enjoy feeling naughty. That's not necessarily a bad thing. If you're that sort of person anyway, why not get paid for it?

According to her, you have low self esteem but you just don't know it yet hmm.

It's clearly an issue of "because I would feel that way, others must also."

BUT, I don't think it's 95%, but I think it would be an interesting study to see and get an ACTUAL NON-BIASED analysis going, as I would love to see the results of something like this.. though I don't know if it could be done to keep the bias out of the results... but maybe.

Still would like to see the results though.

Sep 25 12 07:03 pm  Link  Quote 
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Wysiwyg Photography
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Salt Lake City, Utah, US


GK photo wrote:
i thought that went down to 92%. smile

dayum; i hadn't listened to the interview until a few minutes ago. that dude doing the interviewing is fucking creeptastic! lol

Sorry, I'm one of the few 5% to 8% that is a homosexual that is straight.. I feel so bad about it maybe I should go see a shrink to analyze why I like women so much big_smile
Doc.. give it to me straight... am I mentally ill?

Sep 25 12 07:08 pm  Link  Quote 
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Alabaster Crowley
Posts: 8,264
Tucson, Arizona, US


Wysiwyg Photography wrote:
And interview with Sasha Grey comes to mind when she was on (I think) the Tyra Banks Show.. and they were trying to convince her that she really hated doing porn, she just didn't know it yet.. and tried getting former prostitutes and porn actresses to "testify" to her that because THEY got out and realized they had "low self esteem" that Sasha must have the same feelings.

Oh my gosh, that interview was TERRIBLE. They edited it so much to make her look like she had little to nothing to say, MADE her change wardrobe from her normal, professional looking clothes to this "little girl" like cardigan, and, like you said, brought in women who tried to tell her how she really feels.

UGH.

Sep 25 12 07:39 pm  Link  Quote 
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T Brown
Posts: 2,460
Traverse City, Michigan, US


-Nicole- wrote:

Wow..

Just because you hate porn cause hubs was "addicted" doesn't mean you should pull outstanding figures outof your ass..

Link? Anything? Or is this just you, once again, posting something without any backup.

pulling outstanding figures out of an ass, sounds like porn to me wink is that out on video yet?   lol

Sep 25 12 07:42 pm  Link  Quote 
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Koryn
Posts: 36,617
Boston, Massachusetts, US


Wysiwyg Photography wrote:
And interview with Sasha Grey comes to mind when she was on (I think) the Tyra Banks Show.. and they were trying to convince her that she really hated doing porn, she just didn't know it yet.. and tried getting former prostitutes and porn actresses to "testify" to her that because THEY got out and realized they had "low self esteem" that Sasha must have the same feelings.

Alabaster Crowley wrote:
Oh my gosh, that interview was TERRIBLE. They edited it so much to make her look like she had little to nothing to say, MADE her change wardrobe from her normal, professional looking clothes to this "little girl" like cardigan, and, like you said, brought in women who tried to tell her how she really feels.

UGH.

I saw the Tyra Banks show once, and it was an interview with a woman who worked as a pro domme. It was just such a ridiculously biased show, and the people were so ignorant about what they were supposedly wanting to "protect" the woman from that I was just disgusted, and couldn't watch the whole show.

Sep 25 12 07:44 pm  Link  Quote 
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udor
Posts: 22,295
New York, New York, US


modeled wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjSJEDuemp0

^shout out to modelmayhem in that video btw.

I think she is pretty... really like her face.

I think that the interviewer is not as creepy as he is made out to be in this thread, but I think that his line of questioning is kinda weird.

Sep 25 12 07:49 pm  Link  Quote 
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T Brown
Posts: 2,460
Traverse City, Michigan, US


I love it when judgemental people judge shit they know nothing about, especially when they judge it based upon a fairy tale from a two thousand year old comic book.

here's a pro tip, if ya don't like it; don't watch, read, or involve yourself in it.

yeah I'm sure there's a percentage that has been manipulated into doing something with someone the didn't want to do, but to cite some huge unvalidated number based upon a biased source is ludicrous.
Sep 25 12 07:50 pm  Link  Quote 
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Alabaster Crowley
Posts: 8,264
Tucson, Arizona, US


ShivaKitty wrote:

Wysiwyg Photography wrote:
And interview with Sasha Grey comes to mind when she was on (I think) the Tyra Banks Show.. and they were trying to convince her that she really hated doing porn, she just didn't know it yet.. and tried getting former prostitutes and porn actresses to "testify" to her that because THEY got out and realized they had "low self esteem" that Sasha must have the same feelings.

I saw the Tyra Banks show once, and it was an interview with a woman who worked as a pro domme. It was just such a ridiculously biased show, and the people were so ignorant about what they were supposedly wanting to "protect" the woman from that I was just disgusted, and couldn't watch the whole show.

I didn't see the episode that Buck Angel was on, but I know he said that he loves his vagina and Tyra said she doesn't love hers. How sad her life must be sad

Warning to others: don't turn this into a trans*-wank thread. Thanks.

Sep 25 12 07:57 pm  Link  Quote 
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Top Level Studio
Posts: 3,253
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada


Jeffrey M Fletcher wrote:
I'm perplexed at the 95% figure. When making things up why not go for 100%?

You want to be credible, don't you? 

100% and over is only for giving, like "I always give 100%+!"

Sep 25 12 10:30 pm  Link  Quote 
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Top Level Studio
Posts: 3,253
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada


udor wrote:

I think she is pretty... really like her face.

I think that the interviewer is not as creepy as he is made out to be in this thread, but I think that his line of questioning is kinda weird.

He sounds like a porn-movie guy making small talk with a porn star.  Notice how he gives his opinion and asks if she agrees, rather than letting her express herself.

He does not sound like an actual journalist or press guy.

Sep 25 12 10:34 pm  Link  Quote 
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Top Level Studio
Posts: 3,253
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada


It's almost mainstream in Japan: 

http://en.rocketnews24.com/2012/09/10/j … very-year/


This AV (Adult Video) cutie, Sora Aoi, is a big star who attracts huge crowds in China.  Even the event manager looks like he wants to dive into her boobs:

http://en.rocketnews24.com/2012/06/03/j … thers-can/
Sep 25 12 10:43 pm  Link  Quote 
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GK photo
Posts: 27,994
Laguna Beach, California, US


wow, upon further review, that scene is disturbing in a few ways.

okay, it's obvious this gal is damaged goods, but so are most of the people you will run into in this life. what is somewhat http://assets.modelmayhem.com/images/smilies/scary.pngis:  the dude doing the interview. sure, he's not from 60 minutes, but eff me he creeps me out. his leading questions are of a totally pervy nature.

but fuck all that, what's really weird is what's going on in the background. it's a very eclectic (putting it mildly) mix of disturbia.

coltrane???
napoleon dynamite???
sambo???

wtf???

and god bless her, but she does sound like she has some issues. serious issues.

"everyone has sex", she claims, while also admitting that the only sex she has is on camera, for money.

oh well, it's only humanity...the most fucked up thing to ever inhabit this spinning ball...to this point.
Sep 25 12 10:55 pm  Link  Quote 
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Alabaster Crowley
Posts: 8,264
Tucson, Arizona, US


GK photo wrote:
it's obvious this gal is damaged goods

.....................wat

Sep 25 12 11:01 pm  Link  Quote 
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GK photo
Posts: 27,994
Laguna Beach, California, US


GK photo wrote:
it's obvious this gal is damaged goods

Alabaster Crowley wrote:
.....................wat

you disagree?

edit:
a couple of guys named jung and freud would probably have agreed with me, at least in principle. she obviously has problems with interpersonal relationships, but that's an arm chair psych evaluation, not a judgment.

i'm not condemning her to hell, i'm merely observing.

Sep 25 12 11:05 pm  Link  Quote 
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Mischa Marie
Posts: 7,892
Sacramento, California, US


Why is it so hard for people to believe that some people do adult work because they want to? Maybe they enjoy it. The money is good. And it's one job that women can actually make more money than a man. Not everyone who does adult work has "issues." >.>
Sep 25 12 11:26 pm  Link  Quote 
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Shot By Adam
Posts: 5,858
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Extrosy wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornograph … #Pay_rates

A (successful) woman makes $100,000 to $250,000 at the end of the year.

This is complete bullshit. I know and have worked with some household names in the industry and can tell you, quite factually, that even the top talent in the world doesn't make anywhere near $250K. The number of wealthy porn stars that are out there can be counted on one hand and their income didn't come from shooting porn, it came from the things after it like book deals and such.

Sep 25 12 11:39 pm  Link  Quote 
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GK photo
Posts: 27,994
Laguna Beach, California, US


Mischa Marie wrote:
Why is it so hard for people to believe that some people do adult work because they want to? Maybe they enjoy it. The money is good. And it's one job that women can actually make more money than a man. Not everyone who does adult work has "issues." >.>

sure, all those are completely understandable motivations. the gal in this interview--however--doesn't seem to meet any of those criteria. she appears to be rebelling against multiple facets of her upbringing and early life experiences.

again, not judging, just calling it like i see it.

Sep 25 12 11:53 pm  Link  Quote 
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GK photo
Posts: 27,994
Laguna Beach, California, US


Shot By Adam wrote:

This is complete bullshit. I know and have worked with some household names in the industry and can tell you, quite factually, that even the top talent in the world doesn't make anywhere near $250K. The number of wealthy porn stars that are out there can be counted on one hand and their income didn't come from shooting porn, it came from the things after it like book deals and such.

i don't know how it is in the porn business, but a lot of "personality" driven industries are rife with tales of the talent being ripped off by managers, promoters, handlers, etc. i'm sure the porn industry has its share of those same, sad circumstances.

Sep 25 12 11:55 pm  Link  Quote 
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Alabaster Crowley
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Tucson, Arizona, US


GK photo wrote:

GK photo wrote:
it's obvious this gal is damaged goods

you disagree?

edit:
a couple of guys named jung and freud would probably have agreed with me, at least in principle. she obviously has problems with interpersonal relationships, but that's an arm chair psych evaluation, not a judgment.

i'm not condemning her to hell, i'm merely observing.

Almost nothing Freud thought really holds true in modern psychiatry/psychology, lol.

Sep 26 12 12:00 am  Link  Quote 
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GK photo
Posts: 27,994
Laguna Beach, California, US


Alabaster Crowley wrote:

Almost nothing Freud thought really holds true in modern psychiatry/psychology, lol.

that's why i also mentioned jung. no big, i was more alarmed at the set's background material than anything the gal had to say.

Sep 26 12 12:05 am  Link  Quote 
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Gabrielle Heather
Posts: 10,064
Middle Island, New York, US


This interview for sure does not speak for everyone in this industry. This girl seems more than a bit immature IMHO. Yes, some women who have insecurities are lured into the sex world because they see an escape........... whether it be the fast money or the attention, but some others genuinely enjoy the "work" and take full advantage of the opportunities. Would it be something I could do? No, but thats what makes the world turn.

Are there some people who are coersed into some things they may not be comfy with, I am sure there are, just like there are models who dont think they will get naked, and wind up nudey on set with pictures they are later regretting they took. Some photographer made them cozy and softened them up. Its called setting boundaries and keeping them in place. Some people are able to maintain them while others are more lax. A persons upbringing could have something to do with how willing or not one is to actively engage in public sex acts, or it could not. there could be a whole slew of things that play roles in one's decision to get involved in the adult industry. It is their decision to make. If they arent harming themselves or anyone else, and are doing it willingly, then leave it be. And yes, there have been documented cases where women were bullied into doing sex acts by their managers or husbands, more in the starting years. I wont get into that here because its not my place to bring up personal business. I think that today people have learned a bit more how to stand their ground and advocate for themselves, or I would hope.
Sep 26 12 01:13 am  Link  Quote 
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modeled
Posts: 9,334
San Diego, California, US


Shot By Adam wrote:

This is complete bullshit. I know and have worked with some household names in the industry and can tell you, quite factually, that even the top talent in the world doesn't make anywhere near $250K. The number of wealthy porn stars that are out there can be counted on one hand and their income didn't come from shooting porn, it came from the things after it like book deals and such.

^THIS

+

Carl Robert's accounts of reality

=  a lot of women getting screwed over most likely in a biz that will ruin a persons reputation for life, should they decide to do something outside of showbiz.  But I'm sure that is debatable by some of you still lol.

BTW Carl, I heard Tampa is the porn capital of the country?  I always thought San Fernando (chatsworth) held that title, has that changed?

Sep 26 12 06:13 am  Link  Quote 
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Carl Roberts
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Saint Petersburg, Florida, US


modeled wrote:
BTW Carl, I heard Tampa is the porn capital of the country?  I always thought San Fernando (chatsworth) held that title, has that changed?

I'm sure both cities vie for the title
(Truthfully, I don't know for certain)

Sep 26 12 06:17 am  Link  Quote 
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Shot By Adam
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Las Vegas, Nevada, US


GK photo wrote:

i don't know how it is in the porn business, but a lot of "personality" driven industries are rife with tales of the talent being ripped off by managers, promoters, handlers, etc. i'm sure the porn industry has its share of those same, sad circumstances.

Much of the rip-offs come from the production companies themselves. Vivid is the most notorious of them all actually. The girl on the right in the photo is porn star Morgan Ray:

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/090108/10/4966480863033_m.jpg

I used to do a lot of work with her and I've shot her on several occasions. She was a working, clinical psychologist in Los Angeles and when she hit her late 30s, she had her boobs done and decided to become a porn star. Go figure. anyway, a few years ago she was offered a one-year contract with Vivid to be a headliner in a new MILF series they were doing. After much consideration, she turned it down.

I actually got to see that contract and I was astounded at some of the clauses that were in there. These contracts are obviously designed for the ignorant or naive young women who enter the business, hear that they are getting signed with Vivid, and sign on the dotted line without ever consulting an attorney. When they gave Morgan the contract, they even wanted her to sign it right there, on the spot and got angry at her for wanting her attorney to review it. Upon closer examination, they started seeing how they nickel-and-dime you out of all your money.

In the contract, it stipulated that she do a few different appearances a month around the country representing the Vivid brand. While they do provide transportation and accommodations for travel, there were a LOT of rules in the contract that are easily overlooked. What Vivid does is penalize you financially for any minor infractions to the contract to the point where your paycheck is usually about 1/3 of what you actually think you should be earning. For example, if you don't arrive to the airport within a designated time prior to your flight, they take a set amount of money out of your next check. Arrive 1 minute later than your scheduled time for makeup, they take more money, etc. Now while I think those things are great to keep you reliable, many of the infractions were just plain ridiculous and unreasonable. And there were just so damn many of them, it was impossible to remember them all. Wear 6" heels to AVN and you'll get an infraction because you're supposed to wear 5" heels. Wear 5" heels to the Gentlemens Club Expo and you'll get an infraction because you're supposed to wear 6" heels. Stuff like that.

So you do 2-3 events a month for them, it's easy to rack up a good dozen infractions which now turns your $8,000 check into a $3,500 check.

Sep 26 12 10:20 am  Link  Quote 
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Good Egg Productions
Posts: 15,657
Orlando, Florida, US


modeled wrote:

^THIS

+

Carl Robert's accounts of reality

=  a lot of women getting screwed over most likely in a biz that will ruin a persons reputation for life, should they decide to do something outside of showbiz.  But I'm sure that is debatable by some of you still lol.

BTW Carl, I heard Tampa is the porn capital of the country?  I always thought San Fernando (chatsworth) held that title, has that changed?

It changed the day California passed legislation that all porn produced in the state must use condoms.

Sep 26 12 10:23 am  Link  Quote 
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Cynthia Serrano
Posts: 12,466
Newark, New Jersey, US


All Yours Photography wrote:
I can't watch the video on this computer, but to answer the question, my first guess would be $$$$$$$$.

This ^ or if not for money maybe a sex addiction?

Sep 26 12 10:25 am  Link  Quote 
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-Nicole-
Posts: 19,209
Madison, Wisconsin, US


The only porn star I find attractive is Sasha Grey. And she's not in porn anymore.

But combined with her looks, it was her attitude about the industry that I liked about her. That and that she's very intelligent.
Sep 26 12 10:34 am  Link  Quote 
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