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Stormee
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San Antonio, Texas, US


Oct 02 12 10:16 pm  Link  Quote 
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Cole Morrison
Posts: 3,958
Portland, Oregon, US


He ASKED you if you were ok with it. It was YOUR choice to say you were ok with it when you were not. In the future do not lie and put yourself in situations where you arent comfortable. Say "NO I'm not comfortable with this" even if it means ending a shoot.
Oct 02 12 10:23 pm  Link  Quote 
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Images by MR
Posts: 7,296
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


Kelly Anne-Marie wrote:
Times like this is when I wish I did bring an escort.

I had a shoot with a photographer that asked me to do a shoot at a lake which I agreed to, unknowingly that it was a nudist lake. He talked of this lake in the past but called it by it's other name which, by that name he told me was a nudist lake.

We went to this lake together in his car (which the lake was a few hours away), my suitcase of clothes and all! Nothing was mentioned about it being a nudist lake all the way there. We got to go parking lot of the lake and I grabbed my suitcase of clothes and we started to the lake, when I seen a naked man walking by! I said "WTF!?" and the photographer said "Oh, this is _________ ____________ .", Which by that name I knew was a nudist lake. I figured to stay calm and just model in clothes since I didn't agree to a nude shoot.

Everything was fine when I told him that I was goig to go get dressed for the shoot. When I got done dressing I met up with him at the shoot location to find him NUDE! He said "Are you o.k. with this?". Well, I figured I had no choice but to say "Sure.", since he was my ride and I couldn't walk hours back to my town. Anyway, I felt very uncomfortale during the WHOLE shoot with a "BUTT NAKED" photographer!!!

Are there times a photographer made you feel uncomfortale?, If so does it happen often? How do you handle it?

Oct 02 12 10:23 pm  Link  Quote 
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Andrew Thomas Evans
Posts: 23,354
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US


That's an awesome story!




Andrew Thomas Evans
www.andrewthomasevans.com
Oct 02 12 10:24 pm  Link  Quote 
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KiKi De Lune
Posts: 16
Cutler, Illinois, US


Cole Morrison wrote:
He ASKED you if you were ok with it. It was YOUR choice to say you were ok with it when you were not. In the future do not lie and put yourself in situations where you arent comfortable. Say "NO I'm not comfortable with this" even if it means ending a shoot.

+1

Oct 02 12 10:25 pm  Link  Quote 
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T Brown
Posts: 2,135
Traverse City, Michigan, US


So you expect an escort to have the backbone to say no that you didnt?

Why didn't you get all the details up front first? How long have you been on this site reading all these threads?

You've got no one the blame but yourself.

btw there's uncomfortable and then there's whatever that was.....
Oct 02 12 10:27 pm  Link  Quote 
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MoRina
Posts: 5,455
Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US


Ha ha. That's funny.

Before you get in a car with someone you obviously know nothing about, you should ask a few questions and check a few references.  And why would you agree to something if you weren't ok with it?
Oct 02 12 10:29 pm  Link  Quote 
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R A V E N D R I V E
Posts: 15,867
New York, New York, US


wait what would an escort have helped with here? I don't see how anything would have happened differently

ooooh for your comfort level, ok.
Oct 02 12 10:31 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Photos 4 The Memories
Posts: 1,264
Kewaskum, Wisconsin, US


I think you should tell the photographer to come here and tell their side of the story!
Oct 02 12 10:32 pm  Link  Quote 
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Stormee
Posts: 2,463
San Antonio, Texas, US


Oct 02 12 10:33 pm  Link  Quote 
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MB Jen B
Posts: 2,465
Anchorage, Alaska, US


Kelly Anne-Marie wrote:
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Are there times a photographer made you feel uncomfortale?, If so does it happen often? How do you handle it?

Yes there was one photographer that made me feel uncomfortable just this spring...I knew the situation was under control and I chose my actions to cause the least amount of ruffle in his feathers and I never shot with him again. I was surpised that he asked me to shoot with him, especially after he never sent pictures from the first shoot as it was.

It happened only one time in my 20's when I first tried modeling. My agent sent me to a photographer's apartment to do a test shoot and apparently it was going to be a nude test but, they failed to tell me ahead of time so I elected not to do it and left. I also was dropped by the agent too. If only she advised me a little better ahead of time and not left it to the photographer things may have turned out different.

I don't think its wise to just suprise someone with nude expectations at the last minute, photographer or model.
Jen

Oct 02 12 10:34 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
T Brown
Posts: 2,135
Traverse City, Michigan, US


sounds like you have more backbone here than with him, that's how I would of handled it.
Oct 02 12 10:35 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
V Laroche
Posts: 2,722
New Orleans, Louisiana, US


Kelly Anne-Marie wrote:
He talked of this lake in the past but called it by it's other name which, by that name he told me was a nudist lake.

This sentence makes no sense.

Oct 02 12 10:37 pm  Link  Quote 
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AJScalzitti
Posts: 11,563
Atlanta, Georgia, US


Say no next time.  If this photographer was actually a nudist they would have placed no sexual context on it as you may have.  If you said no they would have simply put them back on, if they gave you a hard time about it then you can be sure they were not a nudist.

Personally I find it odd but I have never met an actual nudist who was anything but friendly and well mannered.  On that note it really is something to be disclosed ahead of time, they like to be nude but they are not morons and know others are not as open.

P.S. never accept a gig for a nudist group as they expect you to be nude as well - just saying
Oct 02 12 10:37 pm  Link  Quote 
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MB Jen B
Posts: 2,465
Anchorage, Alaska, US


T Brown wrote:
So you expect an llama herder to have the backbone to say no that you didnt?

Why didn't you get all the details up front first? How long have you been on this site reading all these threads?

You've got no one the blame but yourself.

btw there's uncomfortable and then there's whatever that was.....

This is somewhat worrisome as well because last time I looked at her portfolio there was a bondage picture in there.

Ma'am, please be careful with who you trust yourself with, okay? Check your references and maybe do bring an llama herder!
Jen

Oct 02 12 10:38 pm  Link  Quote 
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MB Jen B
Posts: 2,465
Anchorage, Alaska, US


AJScalzitti wrote:
Say no next time.  If this photographer was actually a nudist they would have placed no sexual context on it as you may have.  If you said no they would have simply put them back on, if they gave you a hard time about it then you can be sure they were not a nudist.

Personally I find it odd but I have never met an actual nudist who was anything but friendly and well mannered. ...

This has been my experience as well. Very positive.

Jen

Oct 02 12 10:40 pm  Link  Quote 
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Brian Diaz
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Danbury, Connecticut, US


Oct 02 12 10:40 pm  Link  Quote 
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rfordphotos
Posts: 4,413
Antioch, California, US


Kelly Anne-Marie wrote:
Times like this is when I wish I did bring an escort.

I had a shoot with a photographer that asked me to do a shoot at a lake which I agreed to, unknowingly that it was a nudist lake. He talked of this lake in the past but called it by it's other name which, by that name he told me was a nudist lake.

We went to this lake together in his car (which the lake was a few hours away), my suitcase of clothes and all! Nothing was mentioned about it being a nudist lake all the way there. We got to go parking lot of the lake and I grabbed my suitcase of clothes and we started to the lake, when I seen a naked man walking by! I said "WTF!?" and the photographer said "Oh, this is _________ ____________ .", Which by that name I knew was a nudist lake. I figured to stay calm and just model in clothes since I didn't agree to a nude shoot.

Everything was fine when I told him that I was goig to go get dressed for the shoot. When I got done dressing I met up with him at the shoot location to find him NUDE! He said "Are you o.k. with this?". Well, I figured I had no choice but to say "Sure.", since he was my ride and I couldn't walk hours back to my town. Anyway, I felt very uncomfortale during the WHOLE shoot with a "BUTT NAKED" photographer!!!

Are there times a photographer made you feel uncomfortale?, If so does it happen often? How do you handle it?

What would an escort have done for you? Smacked you in the head and told you to wake up?

You went to a nudist lake to shoot. Do you expect us to believe you had a hood over your head on the drive and couldnt fathom where the road was taking you? You didnt see any signs, you were completely clueless about where you were going? The naked dude walking by didnt set off any alarms, didnt make you want to ask any questions?

You need to ask yourself why this shit is happening to YOU all the time.... the common factor in all the horror stories and problems you have posted here in the past weeks is YOU.

Hell no I have NEVER let anyone put me in a situation like that, I find out where and what I am getting into before I ever leave the house. If by some miracle I found myself in a situation that made me that uncomfortable, I would have said NO, and found a way to a bus stop if necessary. Good Lord.

Oct 02 12 10:40 pm  Link  Quote 
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Stormee
Posts: 2,463
San Antonio, Texas, US


Oct 02 12 10:45 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Stormee
Posts: 2,463
San Antonio, Texas, US


Oct 02 12 10:46 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
T Brown
Posts: 2,135
Traverse City, Michigan, US


Let me try a different avenue of thought, from your story not once did you mention feeling threatened by this man nor did you relay that he tried to coerce you to shoot nude.

If the location when you arrived made you feel uncomfortable then you should have spoken up right then and there.

Secondly when the naked man walked by and that made you feel uncomfortable you should.of spoken up right then and there.

When he emerged naked as a jay bird and you felt uncomfortable you should of spoken up right then and there.
Oct 02 12 10:48 pm  Link  Quote 
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TRPn Pics
Posts: 10,431
Andrews, North Carolina, US


OP should have just quoted her rates and made the best of it.
Oct 02 12 10:50 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
T Brown
Posts: 2,135
Traverse City, Michigan, US


Kelly Anne-Marie wrote:
Yes it does, the lake has 2 names.

and you didn't look up the location of this lake prior to getting into a vehicle with a complete stranger?

Oct 02 12 10:50 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Photos 4 The Memories
Posts: 1,264
Kewaskum, Wisconsin, US


What was the name of the lake?
Oct 02 12 10:54 pm  Link  Quote 
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AJScalzitti
Posts: 11,563
Atlanta, Georgia, US


Please people we don't need to jump all over her for this.  The mistake was obvious, when someone asks you if you are comfortable with something - speak honestly.

If she got any flak after that its a different story.
Oct 02 12 10:56 pm  Link  Quote 
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Stormee
Posts: 2,463
San Antonio, Texas, US


Oct 02 12 10:56 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Don Garrett
Posts: 4,055
Escondido, California, US


When you said to only respond to the questions asked, that kind of ruled me out, being a photographer, BUT, I feel compelled to say this : that EVERYTHING should have been decided BEFORE the shoot, and there should have been NO surprises. That is not to say that it is your fault for the surprises coming up - he shouldn't have given you any surprises either. It shouldn't have happened the way it did ! I think it is a rare situation that could be even more rare with lots of research, and communication before ever booking a shoot. All of this is assuming that your side of the story is the "correct" side.
  Just my opinion.
-Don
Oct 02 12 10:57 pm  Link  Quote 
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Tim Little Photography
Posts: 11,510
Wilmington, Delaware, US


What an ass. He had a responsibility to let you know you would be shooting around nude people AND that he would be one of them. I'm sure the ride back was awkward.
Oct 02 12 10:58 pm  Link  Quote 
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Stormee
Posts: 2,463
San Antonio, Texas, US


Oct 02 12 10:59 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
T Brown
Posts: 2,135
Traverse City, Michigan, US


Kelly Anne-Marie wrote:

I shot with him many times prior with no behavior like this .

You left that lil tidbit of info out in your OP.

Oct 02 12 11:00 pm  Link  Quote 
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dave phoenix
Posts: 1,256
Phoenix, Arizona, US


Cole Morrison wrote:
He ASKED you if you were ok with it. It was YOUR choice to say you were ok with it when you were not. In the future do not lie and put yourself in situations where you arent comfortable. Say "NO I'm not comfortable with this" even if it means ending a shoot.

Well, I disagree. I think the photographer should have said, "Are you comfortable shooting at the nudist lake, and if so, would you be okay with ME being nude while shooting?" He didn't tell her ahead of time that he was planning on being naked, and that's not acceptable in my opinion. I don't see it as any different than a model at a studio shoot who comes out of the changing room and finds the photographer naked. That's not okay unless discussed prior in my book.

The model should have at least googled the name of the lake, especially if she was planning on traveling with the photographer to get there, so she could tell someone where she was going to be. If she had done that, then she would have realized that Lake Apple was the same lake as Lake Nudity. But that still wouldn't excuse the photographer's surprise nudity in my opinion.

Oct 02 12 11:03 pm  Link  Quote 
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Stormee
Posts: 2,463
San Antonio, Texas, US


Oct 02 12 11:03 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Shot By Adam
Posts: 5,201
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Kelly Anne-Marie wrote:
Times like this is when I wish I did bring an escort.

I had a shoot with a photographer that asked me to do a shoot at a lake which I agreed to, unknowingly that it was a nudist lake. He talked of this lake in the past but called it by it's other name which, by that name he told me was a nudist lake.

We went to this lake together in his car (which the lake was a few hours away), my suitcase of clothes and all! Nothing was mentioned about it being a nudist lake all the way there. We got to go parking lot of the lake and I grabbed my suitcase of clothes and we started to the lake, when I seen a naked man walking by! I said "WTF!?" and the photographer said "Oh, this is _________ ____________ .", Which by that name I knew was a nudist lake. I figured to stay calm and just model in clothes since I didn't agree to a nude shoot.

Everything was fine when I told him that I was goig to go get dressed for the shoot. When I got done dressing I met up with him at the shoot location to find him NUDE! He said "Are you o.k. with this?". Well, I figured I had no choice but to say "Sure.", since he was my ride and I couldn't walk hours back to my town. Anyway, I felt very uncomfortale during the WHOLE shoot with a "BUTT NAKED" photographer!!!

Are there times a photographer made you feel uncomfortale?, If so does it happen often? How do you handle it?

Am I the only one here who thinks this story is 100% fiction? Seems like yet another Kelly super-drama "photo shoot". Every other week she's got some insane story like this. Sorry, but I'm not buying one ounce of this story until the photographer posts in here confirming his side of the story.

Oct 02 12 11:05 pm  Link  Quote 
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dave phoenix
Posts: 1,256
Phoenix, Arizona, US


Shot By Adam wrote:
Am I the only one here who thinks this story is 100% fiction? Seems like yet another Kelly super-drama "photo shoot". Every other week she's got some insane story like this. Sorry, but I'm not buying one ounce of this story until the photographer posts in here confirming his side of the story.

Doesn't really make a difference to me if it's true or not, either way it's entertaining. smile

Oct 02 12 11:07 pm  Link  Quote 
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T Brown
Posts: 2,135
Traverse City, Michigan, US


How the conversation should of went prior which may have helped deter this to begin with..


You: Hello Mr. photographer where are you planning to shoot so I can leave that info with someone in case of an emergancy.

Mr Photographer: well its somewhere around lake tittycaca.

You: Can you be more specific please?

Mr Photographer: Yeah well I'm thinking about the boat launch at the south end.

You: Ok, give me a few moments to Google the location....(a few moments pass)

You: Hey that's a nudist camp??? what's up with that???

Mr Photographer: Well ummmm..... click....

You: Hello......hello?
Oct 02 12 11:11 pm  Link  Quote 
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Stormee
Posts: 2,463
San Antonio, Texas, US


Shot By Adam wrote:

Am I the only one here who thinks this story is 100% fiction? Seems like yet another Kelly super-drama "photo shoot". Every other week she's got some insane story like this. Sorry, but I'm not buying one ounce of this story until the photographer posts in here confirming his side of the story.

LOL!!!, Yep...I can picture it now..."Hi Guys., Yes...I'm the wacked perv.". What???

Oct 02 12 11:12 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Photos 4 The Memories
Posts: 1,264
Kewaskum, Wisconsin, US


Was it at Hippie Hollow?
Oct 02 12 11:14 pm  Link  Quote 
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Giacomo Cirrincioni
Posts: 20,615
New York, New York, US


Shot By Adam wrote:

Am I the only one here who thinks this story is 100% fiction? Seems like yet another Kelly super-drama "photo shoot". Every other week she's got some insane story like this. Sorry, but I'm not buying one ounce of this story until the photographer posts in here confirming his side of the story.

Nope.  I don't believe a word of it.

Oct 02 12 11:17 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
T Brown
Posts: 2,135
Traverse City, Michigan, US


Kelly Anne-Marie wrote:
This thread isn't a "Judge Me" thread...please reread the body of the thread and respond only to the questions asked or leave, Thanks. smile

I'm not judging just trying to help so you never find yourself in a situation like this again....giving suggestions.

Heaven forbid anything should happen to you.

Oct 02 12 11:20 pm  Link  Quote 
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Stormee
Posts: 2,463
San Antonio, Texas, US


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