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Magda Kulpinska
Posts: 506
Paris, Île-de-France, France


I have observed recently that about 1/5 of the models I know have had some surgery done. It's mainly the boobies...they stay within a reasonable B-cup though. They swear by it and one of them said she regretted not having it done earlier.

Apparently Gisele Buendchen had some, too. And God knows who else...

What do you think? Is it possible that a few cm more here, and few less there could make the difference between ''little work'' and ''lots of work''? Could a liposuction or a nose job change the course of a models' career?
Oct 04 12 08:24 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
B R U N E S C I
Posts: 25,319
Bath, England, United Kingdom


Magda Kulpinska wrote:
What do you think? Is it possible that a few cm more here, and few less there could make the difference between ''little work'' and ''lots of work''? Could a liposuction or a nose job change the course of a models' career?

I really doubt it.

A model books work based on her overall look - unless you change that very radically it's not going to affect her basic marketability.

I suspect that those models who do have surgery mostly do it for themselves because they're dissatisfied with their own appearance, probably once they're already making enough money to afford it.

Doing it the other way around is really putting the cart before the horse and not likely to be any more productive in my view.



Just my $0.02

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Oct 04 12 08:40 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Looknsee Photography
Posts: 20,855
Portland, Oregon, US


Magda Kulpinska wrote:
What do you think? Is it possible that a few cm more here, and few less there could make the difference between ''little work'' and ''lots of work''? Could a liposuction or a nose job change the course of a models' career?

What do I know?

But I think...

1)  90% of the time, observers can detect that the model has had work done.

2)  Knowing that a model has had work will turn a good number of viewers off.

3)  Seeing the work can be distracting.

My bottom line:  Anything that a model does to change her look will have an impact on her modeling career.  That includes surgical enhancements, tattoos, piercings, hair color, whatever.  Some might like the results; others might not.

So...
...  It depends on how good the results are,
...  It depends on the kind of modeling the model wants to do,
...  Most of all, it depends on the model's overall look.

Oct 04 12 08:59 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Shon D.- Homme
Posts: 3,185
Virginia Beach, Virginia, US


Magda Kulpinska wrote:
I have observed recently that about 1/5 of the models I know have had some surgery done. It's mainly the boobies...they stay within a reasonable B-cup though. They swear by it and one of them said she regretted not having it done earlier.

Apparently Gisele Buendchen had some, too. And God knows who else...

What do you think? Is it possible that a few cm more here, and few less there could make the difference between ''little work'' and ''lots of work''? Could a liposuction or a nose job change the course of a models' career?

Absolutely. It could make your career. It could break your career. It could have no effect. Depends on the model. Depends on the surgery. Depends on the market. etc etc etc etc.

Oct 04 12 09:01 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Sineann
Posts: 568
Albuquerque, New Mexico, US


I think whenever changing your appearance comes into conversation, as the often-fought-about-tattoo-debate goes, it really depends whether this is your career or your hobby.  If this is just for fun and you want to alter your body, knock yourself out.  If this is your career and pays your bills, I would think twice.  Why would you drastically alter your way of making money unless you either have a back up plan or know it's going to help you make more money?   And there's no way to know until it's done . . . that said, I have a friend who got a few minor things done and it's really not noticeable unless she's naked or you REALLY study and compare the before and after photos.  She looks very natural and this is only a small hobby for her, but I think it will help her for if no other reason than she's much more confident now.

For me, it's a risk I would never take . . . .but then again, I don't ever see myself wanting cosmetic surgery.  Reconstructive surgery is a different story, but I believe in working what I've got . . . that's what's makes me unique.  If I had a perfectly symmetrical face with perfect features, what makes me different than every other Cover Girl?
Oct 04 12 02:28 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Julia Francesca
Posts: 2,357
Maumee, Ohio, US


if i got my boobs done i'd get a lot more work i'm sure.
Oct 04 12 02:56 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Aly Catt
Posts: 402
Oneonta, New York, US


Caustic Disco wrote:
if i got my boobs done i'd get a lot more work i'm sure.

+1
Ive had a few photogs say they would hire me if I had a bigger bust, that seems to be important for swimsuit/glamour

Oct 04 12 03:16 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jhono Bashian
Posts: 2,427
Cleveland, Ohio, US


Caustic Disco wrote:
if i got my boobs done i'd get a lot more work i'm sure.

yeah, maybe,, but would you then be willing to shoot nudes??

Oct 04 12 03:17 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
P I X I E
Posts: 35,267
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Caustic Disco wrote:
if i got my boobs done i'd get a lot more work i'm sure.

Yep, I'd probably book more glamour work... But I'm really not interested in that. I love my itty bitties and I'm not getting implants ever. My husband loves my small tits and they already photograph so well. smile

Oct 04 12 03:26 pm  Link  Quote 
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M Pandolfo Photography
Posts: 12,113
Tampa, Florida, US


Magda Kulpinska wrote:
What do you think? Is it possible that a few cm more here, and few less there could make the difference between ''little work'' and ''lots of work''? Could a liposuction or a nose job change the course of a models' career?

Is it possible? Of course it is or people - actor's, models, musicians - wouldn't get it done. Whether the changes are directly affecting their physical ability to get hired or creating a confidence they didn't have previously isn't really relevant to me. The fact is, the changes had a positive impact to them.

Although I must say, if one is going to have implants, going from an A to a B-Cup isn't the usual procedure. Usually, B-Cup is all they say they want/need...but quickly becomes a Full C after meeting with the surgeon.

Oct 04 12 03:32 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
YMBB Photography
Posts: 4
Cincinnati, Ohio, US


Some thirty years ago I had a lot of work done to my face because of a car accident. I have no memory of any of the surgeries because of head injuries but the surgeon did an amazing job. I even ended up with a dimple in my right cheek.

The type of plastic surgery we are talking about here is classified as aesthetic plastic surgery. Procedures to make the patient look better.

Over the years I've had the chance to see a great deal of plastic surgery as a photographer and as a lucky guy. Some of it good and some of it bad.  I define bad plastic surgery as that which shows excessive or malformed scarring, excessive stretching of the skin causing it to have a "plastic" looking texture or any surgery that makes the body feature or person look unattractively distorted. Sometimes good results can turn to bad after multiple repeated procedures. Multiple face lifts would be an example of this.

When I was shooting full time I spent too much time in Photoshop retouching, actually a lot more than just retouching, bad surgery. A common theme amongst those models who had less than desirable results was they had received a "friendly deal" for their procedure. I guess you really do get what you pay for. Another commonality was not knowing if their surgeon was Board Certified. Just about any doctor can legally claim to do plastic surgery but those that are Board Certified have to pass strict criteria in their schooling and training to become certified.

To answer the question as to the benefit of plastic surgery to a model's career is not so easy. Obviously if it's a matter of minimizing a facial scar, correcting a crooked nose or straightening crooked teeth the answer is "why not." When it comes to more gray areas such as liposuction, breast augmentation or calf implants I really can't say. Each situation is unique despite how much we are all alike. Then there is self perception. No matter how many people see us as this way or that way how we see ourselves is usually in a very different light.

One thing I am clearly sure of. If a model wants plastic surgery then hire a board certified plastic surgeon and don't be cheap! Many cosmetic practices offer discounts during different times of the year. If that's not an option then wait and save up.
Oct 04 12 03:33 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
SPierce Photography
Posts: 19,577
Amherst, Massachusetts, US


Embrace who you are as you are- not what you turned into after surgery!

Unless you go to an agency, and the agency is all "you NEED to do this", I wouldn't do a thing.
Oct 04 12 04:41 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Anthony Altamore
Posts: 58
Chicago, Illinois, US


Wait, they make implants smaller than DD?  Impossible, I say! wink
I don't actually have a problem with fake boobs, I just think the vast majority go waaaay to big.  I'd love to see more B's out there.
Oct 04 12 05:32 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
P I X I E
Posts: 35,267
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Anthony Altamore wrote:
Wait, they make implants smaller than DD?  Impossible, I say! wink
I don't actually have a problem with fake boobs, I just think the vast majority go waaaay to big.  I'd love to see more B's out there.

My sister went from a small A cup to a full C. It depends how small you start at. Going from an A cup, or even AA cup, to DD, will most likely look VERY obviously fake.

Oct 04 12 05:34 pm  Link  Quote 
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Amadea T
Posts: 3,311
Columbus, Ohio, US


How about A- to C? (I'll have the paypal donation button up by midnight, y'all)
Oct 04 12 05:46 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
H5D PHOTOGRAPHER
Posts: 3,837
Gig Harbor, Washington, US


I know several Agency Models that had boob jobs... on average they went from 32/34a to 34b/c a couple had lifts to fix some drooping issues & they did book more commercial work.

For these girls it was a case of having 95% of the equation already covered but having a little work done fixed the other 5%.

It all comes down to how well the procedures are performed.

I personally know an Agency owner in Cape Town that goes with the Models to teh Surgical Consult to make sure that what is agreed is what is actually done in surgery.... She makes it perfectly clear that if its agreed that the Model is going to a 34B & comes out with 36DD's there is going to be a lawsuit!

In LA, I know enough Models that have had the Surgeon put larger implants in than was agreed, using the "Well everyone says they wish they had gone larger" line of BS when called to account for themselves.... Several Models have as a result had their careers pretty much terminated by assholes that thought you knew best; even after a consult, they ignored what the Model wanted & did their own thing.

To the OP .......

If you decide to have any work done, make sure you are clear about exactly what your expectations are with the Surgeon & the results you are looking to achieve.
Oct 04 12 05:50 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Julia Francesca
Posts: 2,357
Maumee, Ohio, US


Jhono Bashian wrote:
yeah, maybe,, but would you then be willing to shoot nudes??

YES!! if i'm gonna spend all that cheddar you KNOW i'm gonna be showing off my purchases.

Oct 05 12 04:55 am  Link  Quote 
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Julia Francesca
Posts: 2,357
Maumee, Ohio, US


P I X I E wrote:

Yep, I'd probably book more glamour work... But I'm really not interested in that. I love my itty bitties and I'm not getting implants ever. My husband loves my small tits and they already photograph so well. smile

i wouldn't mind having small boobs, i just want them to be the same size. sucks when one of your tits is an A and the other is a C. really i just need a little somethin' somethin' in the right one and i'd be golden lol big_smile

Oct 05 12 04:57 am  Link  Quote 
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Anna Adrielle
Posts: 18,762
Antwerp, Antwerp, Belgium


Shon D.- Homme wrote:

Absolutely. It could make your career. It could break your career. It could have no effect. Depends on the model. Depends on the surgery. Depends on the market. etc etc etc etc.

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Oct 05 12 04:58 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Risen Phoenix Photo
Posts: 1,161
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US


It's all in your head.  Who said your boobies were less than required for the industry. You put in your profile you were a b cup. I looked at your images and I feel you have a perfect fashion look.

I guess if your focus is on lingerie or your the next VS Angel you have a wonderful figure.

I'm older so that may be why I prefer natural.


Look at the natural slope of the breast versus the half softball, volleyball or e-gads the half basketball that are plastered to so many women's chest.

It does nothing for me.  And than there are the percentage of surgeries that go bad.

Just shot a figure model ( the image was pic of the day on Vogue Italia) and every time she twisted her nipple blinked at me.   It had to do with her size and muscle damage during the surgery.

Also those scars from the surgery? Some are quite ugly and red. Oh you say that that won't happen to me?   I wouldn't be so sure.


There is a place for plastic surgery, if your breasts are critically misshapen or they are flat pancakes hanging from your chest.  However most woman's breasts are beautiful the way they were created. I love the diversity of shapes and sizes, color and nipple size.


It seems in a world crying out for diversity, there are many that homogenized the breast market.  Gee could it be the plastic surgeons putting that in our heads.
Oct 05 12 07:25 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Woven Thought
Posts: 329
Petersburg, Virginia, US


I am AMAZED at how prevalent this is, and I don't mean in the llamaing industry.  My 30-something sister's single friends all have boob jobs.  I mean like 90%!  My sister-in-law (no kids) has one.  Those with kids, no, but 20-somethings  with a career and not family, a huge percentage augmented themselves.

I suppose I'm not a fair perspective on the subject having a natural 34D. What was that old song, "the bigger the better, the tighter the sweater".....
Oct 05 12 07:43 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
MesmerEyes Photography
Posts: 2,839
Tyler, Texas, US


IMO stay natural. Unless there is something wrong like one is smaller or shaped different then the other or sagging to your belly button. The chances of something going wrong, the market changes, ect.... then what?
Oct 05 12 11:16 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jerry Nemeth
Posts: 26,843
Dearborn, Michigan, US


Eurocat wrote:
How about A- to C? (I'll have the paypal donation button up by midnight, y'all)

I know a model who went from a B to a D last year.    smile

Oct 05 12 11:48 am  Link  Quote 
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Rob Photosby
Posts: 2,261
Brisbane, Queensland, Australia


Magda Kulpinska wrote:
Is it possible that a few cm more here, and few less there could make the difference between ''little work'' and ''lots of work''?

No, not until cosmetic surgery gets around to offering posing skills implants.

Oct 07 12 03:19 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Four-Eleven Productions
Posts: 739
Fircrest, Washington, US


Caustic Disco wrote:
if i got my boobs done i'd get a lot more work i'm sure.

Not from me...but I'd love to shoot you the way you look now!

On anybody, when I see those telltale scars, all I can think is 'fake tits'. Even if the work they had done may have been minor.

Oct 07 12 03:25 am  Link  Quote 
Model
lady maria
Posts: 190
Emmen, Drenthe, Netherlands


I don't judge models making these choices in life.  But sometimes I think perfection is boring...  Those who are heaving a little imperfection are more exciting and interesting. 
My boobs are not perfect... But I don't fight against time, i embrace it....

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/11 … a8ceab.jpg  18+

Above mentioned picture, got lots of positive comments.... 

Every model is responsible for her own decisions, but I hope they don't do it because of feeling pressure to be perfect...
Oct 07 12 03:33 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
John Malloch Caldwell
Posts: 2,553
Hastings, England, United Kingdom


I just turned down a llama from a casting because she had had surgery enhancement done recently. Her portfolio showed her pre-surgery to me she was perfect, her body shape matched her smaller breast shape. Had she remained looking as she did in her portfolio she would have been selected.
Women get breast enhancement done for various reasons, some personal, some to increase their chance of getting more glamour work.
However. llamas should completely renew their portfolio once the surgery has been done. Also I abhor the grapefruit effect that makes it look overly obvious, to go from a neat A or B to a DD is just too much and too false looking as the body frame just does not look right.
For fine art work I personally go for the smaller bust line and general slim figure.
Oct 07 12 03:41 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
AJScalzitti
Posts: 12,249
Atlanta, Georgia, US


Didn't they cover this in a SciFi move in the 80s lol. As I recall it didn't matter.

Obviously any change has an impact, but it's real impact for many is the boost it gives *them* in self confidence.  That show on camera and can be a big bonus.  Regardless it's something that a person should do or not do for themselves only.
Oct 07 12 04:09 am  Link  Quote 
Model
_ Robyn Elizabeth _
Posts: 436
London, England, United Kingdom


I personally hate boob jobs and despite what people say, I think you can pretty much always tell when their not natural.

This is a topic that gets to me as I am very flat chested - I say I'm an A cup on my profile only because AA is not an option.  Interesting in a bizzare twist I find it gets me more interest as a model as I have a figure that not many people do, there are not many people who are naturaly as flat chested as I am and of the ones that are, there are not many models who haven't had them enhanced.

I guess if you want to do glamour then the boob job would help but I can't see it having much effect for fashion models.  Please girls, don't feel you need to do it.
Oct 08 12 02:33 am  Link  Quote 
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