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marce fay
Posts: 855
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada


Basically 99 percent is unpaid for the model or photographer. That might lead to less interest.
Oct 07 12 09:24 pm  Link  Quote 
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Studio La Donna
Posts: 423
San Francisco, California, US


rp_photo wrote:
It's all about being the best at vote begging, not the best work.

+1

Oct 07 12 09:42 pm  Link  Quote 
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Mortonovich
Posts: 5,232
San Diego, California, US


rp_photo wrote:
It's all about being the best at vote begging, not the best work.
Studio La Donna wrote:
+1

Yup.

Oct 07 12 11:18 pm  Link  Quote 
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Mortonovich
Posts: 5,232
San Diego, California, US


Tom deL wrote:
While I'm not so sure your methodology is correct it does seem that your conclusion is:
  http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/modelmayhem.com#

Click on "Max" below the chart and you will see something like:
http://www.blackflute.com/images/mm-traffictrends.jpg

Interesting!!!

Oct 07 12 11:19 pm  Link  Quote 
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Robb Mann
Posts: 9,983
Baltimore, Maryland, US


MCPHOTO wrote:
maybe people don't really think about viewing or voting on the contest's.

Many of us who have been here awhile realize that winning the contests has nothing to do with the quality of the entries, so we ignore the contests.

Oct 08 12 05:43 pm  Link  Quote 
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Rich Davis
Posts: 3,136
Gulf Breeze, Florida, US


I've been on MM a long time but have never looked at the contests.  I am an amateur photographer and only enter one contest a year.  It is open to the public and I enter it because I like the people that put it on.  Maybe the MM contest folks will review this idea and see if theres a way to improve participation.  See, " I like the contest sponsors"
Oct 08 12 06:06 pm  Link  Quote 
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Dannielle Levan
Posts: 12,857
New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada


Ljs Photography wrote:

Contests are always fun and a way to measure your popularity against others.

Fixed

Oct 08 12 10:52 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Makeup Hair by Dani B
Posts: 706
Seattle, Washington, US


I've never looked at or voted on them, just doesn't interest me. I found out my makeup won one only after the photographer who shot it was kind enough to message me and tell me, ha ha!
Oct 09 12 12:10 am  Link  Quote 
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Melissa Drew
Posts: 189
Oceanside, California, US


I feel like it's not just the contests, but Model Mayhem in general. I'm fairly active on here, but I hardly get any notifications anymore. : (
Oct 09 12 01:20 pm  Link  Quote 
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COI Photography
Posts: 115
Lafayette, California, US


I've been on since 2008 and worked with many different models and met different photogs, developed good recommendations, but over the last couple of years I'm not getting any traction here.  Limited comments, requests, really nothing occurring. I'm in a fairly big market maybe this has something to do with it.
Oct 10 12 04:40 pm  Link  Quote 
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KModel Photography
Posts: 204
Lower Hutt, Wellington, New Zealand


Tom deL wrote:
While I'm not so sure your methodology is correct it does seem that your conclusion is:
  http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/modelmayhem.com#

Click on "Max" below the chart and you will see something like:

In the past month there has been a small recovery in the traffic statistics, the decline has stopped, and the traffic has stabilized with the monthly average alexa ranking at 1691 (as of Nov 12), but still well down on the peak ranking of 850 in mid-2011. 

However, you'd think this traffic is mostly from non-members.  There are no public statistics for member-related traffic.  The demographic is "visited more frequently by males who are in the age range 25-34, have no children".  How to turn this fact into something rewarding for members?

Nov 11 12 08:32 am  Link  Quote 
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Eridu
Posts: 623
Boston, Massachusetts, US


KModel Photography wrote:

In the past month there has been a small recovery in the traffic statistics, the decline has stopped, and the traffic has stabilized with the monthly average alexa ranking at 1691 (as of Nov 12), but still well down on the peak ranking of 850 in mid-2011. 

However, you'd think this traffic is mostly from non-members.  There are no public statistics for member-related traffic.  The demographic is "visited more frequently by males who are in the age range 25-34, have no children".  How to turn this fact into something rewarding for members?

Given that demographic data, the answer is obvious: PORN!

Nov 11 12 08:03 pm  Link  Quote 
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Carlos Occidental
Posts: 10,544
Pasadena, California, US


William Kious wrote:
The contests became utterly pointless. When you see an absolute crap shot with more votes simply because there's pussy or cock, well, it makes the exercise of having a contest a complete joke.

This is also my feeling on the subject.

Nov 12 12 10:34 am  Link  Quote 
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BrooklynHill
Posts: 4,790
Los Angeles, California, US


When I found out the contests were rigged, I stopped voting and submitting altogether.
Nov 13 12 02:02 pm  Link  Quote 
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rp_photo
Posts: 42,488
Houston, Texas, US


If I had a pic that was contest-worthy, I believe it would almost always fare better if the model submitted it.
Nov 13 12 06:31 pm  Link  Quote 
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WIP
Posts: 15,107
Cheltenham, England, United Kingdom


BrooklynHill wrote:
When I found out the contests were rigged, I stopped voting and submitting altogether.

Elaborate please.

Nov 14 12 01:34 pm  Link  Quote 
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Robert Jewett
Posts: 2,428
al-Marsā, Tunis, Tunisia


I won one I submitted to, and a couple submitted by models.  Then, I noticed the quality start to slide.

I got some messages asking for votes, found a Facebook page asking for the same thing, and even got a few e-mails.

I realized that it was all a joke, and never submitted again.
Nov 14 12 01:55 pm  Link  Quote 
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Glenn Hall - Fine Art
Posts: 431
Townsville, Queensland, Australia


..wait, there ARE photos in the "contest" that win?
...still looking for those who have won with a real photo.
...also not interested in submitting any photo to a contest, that relies on popular vote to win. Reminds of those contests on FaceBook where the winner is always the one with the most "friends" and an ability to spam for votes via messaging helps.
Nov 14 12 05:04 pm  Link  Quote 
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HarryL
Posts: 1,557
Chicago, Illinois, US


udor wrote:

Maybe contests are fun... I don't think that I have ever entered one!

I guess I also saw that most contest winners are masters of photoshop and retouching and with that, people used to judge based not so much on the story that the photo tells, but how flawlessly it was edited.

Hence, I personally never saw a chance to measure up and didn't enter.

But... I have my market, I have the people that enjoy what I do and people hire me to do my thing... so, in the course of the years, that's where I get my validation from...

+1

Nov 14 12 05:13 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Beautifully Soft Focus
Posts: 526
Peoria, Illinois, US


I think its rigged ... I get emails from people who submit asking me to vote for their image ... cheating I guess ... but its the only time I even bother to go there sad For me I don't have time to solicited votes for a great photo to ensure it does get beat by something less IMO wink

Y'all Be Easy,

Alvin
Nov 14 12 05:26 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
R A V E N D R I V E
Posts: 15,867
New York, New York, US


I just figured the votes were more spread out

but in 18+ i'm always surprised when the winner isn't spread out
Nov 14 12 05:44 pm  Link  Quote 
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Marc Rosebeck
Posts: 2,281
Albany, New York, US


JBerman Photography wrote:

the majority would rather discuss if she brought an escort smile

Is that the chick that was raped of her mind at a shoot, and clubbed the shooter with a lightstand?

Nov 14 12 05:59 pm  Link  Quote 
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Patrick Walberg
Posts: 42,413
Salinas, California, US


udor wrote:
Maybe contests are fun... I don't think that I have ever entered one!

I guess I also saw that most contest winners are masters of photoshop and retouching and with that, people used to judge based not so much on the story that the photo tells, but how flawlessly it was edited.

Hence, I personally never saw a chance to measure up and didn't enter.

But... I have my market, I have the people that enjoy what I do and people hire me to do my thing... so, in the course of the years, that's where I get my validation from...

You pretty much expressed how I feel.  The contests simply don't interest me.  It's not why I am here using this website.  I think traffic in general has slowed some to this site.

Nov 14 12 06:06 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Select Models
Posts: 35,287
Upland, California, US


Matt Forma wrote:
Seems like everyone in my city uses facebook to network far more than MM now

Yeah but I'm not interested in the boyfriend problems of Sally's pet rock... and what it had for lunch... roll... tongue

Nov 16 12 08:10 am  Link  Quote 
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Robb Mann
Posts: 9,983
Baltimore, Maryland, US


The problem with the contests is that the same small group of people tend to participate in the contests. The winning entry often is not a great photo in a broad sense, but a reflection of how well youve catered to the voters tastes. If i was unsure of my photography and in need to approval from a peer group, i might care about the contests.
Nov 17 12 03:28 am  Link  Quote 
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WIP
Posts: 15,107
Cheltenham, England, United Kingdom


I'd think general enthusiasm is down snapping pic's due to the current state of the world economy. People have other more important priorities rather than throwing money at a hobby.

MM and other sites will see a decrease in numbers which may go on for sometime. In turn will effect the various site competitions.
Nov 17 12 03:10 pm  Link  Quote 
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faltered
Posts: 285
Los Angeles, California, US


Here is a one year traffic chart for MM from Alexa.com
[img]http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/957/graphry.png

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Nov 17 12 10:53 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
udor
Posts: 21,686
New York, New York, US


Patrick Walberg wrote:
You pretty much expressed how I feel.  The contests simply don't interest me.  It's not why I am here using this website.  I think traffic in general has slowed some to this site.

Yeah... and, in addition to this, I am not sure what the value of MM recognition is for my career... I mean, if I'd win a contest by some renowned photomagazine, or some international, juried photo contest... that would be something else..., but as much I am part of MM, and support its value and community... I am doubtful about the MM photo contest.

Nov 17 12 10:59 pm  Link  Quote 
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Digitoxin
Posts: 13,332
Houston, Texas, US


These forum feel much slower than, say, 2 years ago.
Nov 18 12 02:25 am  Link  Quote 
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WIP
Posts: 15,107
Cheltenham, England, United Kingdom


Apart from the recession there maybe other reasons why numbers are down.

Ports that the gate keepers have passed with baby pic's, weddings from photographers are not going to encourage models or models with mobile phone pic's are not going to encourage photographers.
Those types of images belong on social sites such as FB.

I understand people have to start from somewhere but there has to be a starting line which has some standard.
But I suspect people have their own opinions why this is happening in regards to standards.
This has given rise to the forming of groups on other dedicated sites with like minded model and photographers with the bonus being they don't need to be on a Google ranking system or make revenue.
Nov 18 12 04:21 am  Link  Quote 
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rmsoansphotography
Posts: 258
London, England, United Kingdom


Ljs Photography wrote:
Hello MMers, I have recently noticed while viewing contests that the vote counts are really down, even for the winners. Is Model Mayhem on a decline in viewers and subscribers?

There are a lot of people giving up photography and/or modelling, it maybe isn't what they thought it would be, mainly people tend to think they are going to get commissions (photographers) and lot of models are either quitting because of personal reasons or not getting the money they thought they would get

Nov 18 12 03:31 pm  Link  Quote 
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Managing Light
Posts: 1,811
Salem, Virginia, US


Digitoxin wrote:
These forum feel much slower than, say, 2 years ago.

Agreed.  Threads stay on the first page for a surprising length of time with no increase in posters, meaning that no new threads are started to displace the old ones.

Nov 18 12 03:46 pm  Link  Quote 
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Dagger133
Posts: 351
Kitchener, Ontario, Canada


Digitoxin wrote:
These forum feel much slower than, say, 2 years ago.
Managing Light wrote:
Agreed.  Threads stay on the first page for a surprising length of time with no increase in posters, meaning that no new threads are started to displace the old ones.

Maybe that "No response, is a response" is catching up with MM's forums and contests too.

Nov 18 12 10:07 pm  Link  Quote 
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