NewBoldPhoto
Posts: 4,641
PORT MURRAY, New Jersey, US
Erika Muse wrote: Am i the only model that gets turned off by photographers that shoot nudes ONLY.
Regarding your query, I find myself both ignorant and apathetic. I am however fascinated by it. If I may ask, what were you thinking when you posted it?
Overseas, you're absolutely correct that all of that is often part of the same package. Domestically here in the States? ....not so many earthquakes are part of campaigns.
Eurocat wrote: I knew I was doing something wrong!
Some of them call me names... Pfft. But the reality is that carrying outfits on public transit is such a pain in the ass, like making sure it doesn't get wrinkled, and carrying suitcases also. I don't mind lingerie since it doesn't take up too much space and isn't heavy, and doesn't really get super wrinkled. But anything more than lingerie, sorry, but no TF. I also hate having photographers asking me to buy very specific things, like high quality stockings, for TF. Dude, these things aren't cheap, I'm not rich.
I just don't like shooting in clothes. Unless you're a very well-known photographer. But as a nude model, it's just kind of meh. I don't really need clothed shots right now. I already have too many as a nude model...
Garry k wrote: hmmm ....thats not what i recall you previously saying
you have been challenged on this before and i recall you saying that you didnt want to be labelled an "ethnic" photographer within the industry ( whatever the fuck that means ) which seems to me that its a bit more than your personal tastes regarding the matter
If you bother to read the post you quoted you will see that the example I use is whether I shoot males or not and is nothing to do with race.
Looks to me like you've got a bit ahead of yourself here Garry
I sincerely get offended when people tell me they DON'T want to shoot me nude. Seriously! To the point of throwing cats!
Ha! Thanks for the laugh! I'd love to shoot you nude, Eurocat!
I actually have nudes posted in my port, but I have offered TF to models in the area who are new and want to work on their portfolio, because I want to add non-nude work to mine.
I've made it CLEAR that I want to shoot what THEY want, not nudes, as most of their profiles say they don't do nudes. I've even gotten specific to say I'll shoot fashion, head shots, editorial or lifestyle for them...whatever they'd like. Apparently the nudes in my portfolio turn them off because I don't get replies from most models who want TF. I thought maybe, at least, I'd get a "thanks but no thanks" response, but the silence is deafening.
Erika Muse wrote: I think nudes can be very artistic depending on the context. And when i become established i plan on doing some. So let me be specific, it's when a photographer claims to shoot many genres but his or her portfolio contains strictly nudes. Its the lack of diversity that is a turn off to me. But I am only sharing my thoughts and opinions. We are all adults here, there is no reason to get defensive.
I don't think this really has to do with nudity so much as it does with diversity. With all portfolios in general a "lack of diversity" may turn off a lot of models to working with those photographers. However, many photographers and models are just starting out, and that might cause a lack of diversity. As for a portfolio filled with nudes only, most models and photographers don't just dive into shooting nudes without having experience with other genres ... but I suppose it could happen.
I shoot nudes, but it is not at the forefront of my portfolio. The models I choose to work with are not always very experienced, or show a lot of diversity in their portfolio. It is always fun for me to discover a new model who is great to work with, but just needs some help to improve their portfolio. My own portfolio can always use improvement. The day that I don't try to be better than my last photo session is the day I may as well put the camera down. I am a diverse photographer who loves shooting with open minded models who will at least strive for diversity in their own portfolios. Nudity or not, it should not matter. Work with those who turn you on!
Patrick Walberg wrote: As for a portfolio filled with nudes only, most llamas and photographers don't just dive into shooting nudes without having experience with other genres ...
..beg to differ.
On a sidenote, the post was about nudity, not diversity.
I can have a very diverse folio, without ever being clothed. But that's just mho.
On a sidenote, the post was about nudity, not diversity.
I can have a very diverse folio, without ever being clothed. But that's just mho.
You left out that I said "but I suppose it could happen!" AND that I said "most" photographers and models! There are exceptions to every subjective rule, so I must say that you are exceptional!
Also this is a direct quote from the quote I was commenting on;
Erika Muse wrote: Its the lack of diversity that is a turn off to me. But I am only sharing my thoughts and opinions.
P I X I E wrote: I know lots of models that did nudes very early on. Not sure why you think it doesn't happen that often.
Heck, I posed nude when I was first getting started in photography as a photographer! I did it to help out another photographer who want to shoot male nudes. It's been a long time.
I started shooting nudes less than 6 months after I started modeling.
P I X I E wrote: I know lots of models that did nudes very early on. Not sure why you think it doesn't happen that often.
You are most certainly exceptional as well! Like I said ... not every model will dive into modeling nude, but some do. As a student, I shot my first nudes in a very spontaneous situation where she and I were hiking in Big Sur and came upon a waterfall. She disrobed and entered the waterfall while I shot some images that we were both very proud of. It has been a long time ago, but I think that was longer than 6 months after I had picked up a 35 mm camera though. It doesn't really matter, since I shoot nudes anyway.
Patrick Walberg wrote: I don't think this really has to do with nudity so much as it does with diversity. With all portfolios in general a "lack of diversity" may turn off a lot of models to working with those photographers. However, many photographers and models are just starting out, and that might cause a lack of diversity. As for a portfolio filled with nudes only, most models and photographers don't just dive into shooting nudes without having experience with other genres ... but I suppose it could happen.
I've shot "first time nude" with about 30 miles. Something like half had never done a "professional" photoshoot before, or at most 2-3. Very few, maybe none, were highly experienced in other genres. Some had posed for a friend, or boyfriend, or some situation, so it wasn't totally new. Others it was.
Art of the nude wrote: I've shot "first time nude" with about 30 miles. Something like half had never done a "professional" photoshoot before, or at most 2-3. Very few, maybe none, were highly experienced in other genres. Some had posed for a friend, or boyfriend, or some situation, so it wasn't totally new. Others it was.
I understand what you are saying, but that has not been my experience. If I'm going to shoot nudes, I like to know that the model has already done nudes, and will have no problem with it. As you can tell, I don't shoot nudes all that often, especially in comparison to you. I would think that a "first timer" with you is ready to shoot with you after seeing your portfolio, and they know they are going to pose nude. Where as I shoot minors sometimes and most of my images are with clothed models. I want to show a great deal of diversity in my portfolio.
The OP asked about our opinions on photographer portfolios as in if she was the only one turned off by portfolios filled with only nudes. I am not turned off by portfolios that are filled with nudes. Then on the first page, she modified her message a bit in explaining that she looked at a portfolio with nothing but nudes as not showing diversity. I've seen plenty of photographers portfolios with a unique style focused on one genera of modeling images. It does not bother me, and I actually see certain advantages to doing that. People who come to you know exactly what they are getting. I'm just not about doing the same genera the majority of time. We are all free to do what we want with our portfolios.
On a sidenote, the post was about nudity, not diversity.
I can have a very diverse folio, without ever being clothed. But that's just mho.
Well said. I showed some of my work from the photojournalism days to a date once. It had work from Beirut, El Salvador, Colombia, Angola, Moscow and a bunch of other places. It involved wars, refugees, an earthquake, a flood, urban and bush settings, color and B&W, a couple of riots, a bombing or two. Her reaction was "don't you shoot anything other than wars?"
A decade later, I showed a mix of my work with models (some glamour nude, some fashion, some casual portraiture, some boudoir but mostly artistic nudes) to an architectural photographer and his response was "don't you shoot anything other than women?"
Diversity is in the eye of the beholder. The less discerning the eye, the less diverse it appears. It can be the same model, nude in every picture, and still be quite diverse (high key, low key, glamour vs. art nude, color and B&W, bodyscape macro shot vs. distance silhouette, indoors and outside).
Are you approaching him and asking him to shoot you or is he approaching you and asking to shoot you nude? Either way, Your body is hot so try not to be turned off by the proposal and take it as a compliment. If you aren't wanting to shoot nude then tell him it's against your beliefs. Also You never know if it's that he has a vision of what he wants to shoot and you fit the mold of the model that he is looking to shoot. As a model or a photographer we all must keep our minds open to new and different things if we want to be creative.
Rik Williams
Posts: 2,285
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Erika Muse wrote: Am i the only model that gets turned off by photographers that shoot nudes ONLY.
Well I'm not a model, however since many others have offered an opinion, so shall I.
I find it inappropriate when photographers only post lewd, tasteless, and/or explicit nudes.
There's a local guy on here who has nothing but poorly composed and incompetently lit images of "naked girls" in his profile.
But the thing that creeps me out the most about him, is that he has 5 or so medium close ups of vaginas.
He has been a member for over two years, but his image development seems positively stagnant.
To me this says, he is beginner who seems obsessed with nudity/vajayjay moeso than developing his photographic skills. ie; he uses digital photography as a way to get "chicks nekid".
I think this kind of profile is disturbing, but hey, that's just one opinion.
afplcc wrote: Well said. I showed some of my work from the photojournalism days to a date once. It had work from Beirut, El Salvador, Colombia, Angola, Moscow and a bunch of other places. It involved wars, refugees, an earthquake, a flood, urban and bush settings, color and B&W, a couple of riots, a bombing or two. Her reaction was "don't you shoot anything other than wars?"
A decade later, I showed a mix of my work with models (some glamour nude, some fashion, some casual portraiture, some boudoir but mostly artistic nudes) to an architectural photographer and his response was "don't you shoot anything other than women?"
Diversity is in the eye of the beholder. The less discerning the eye, the less diverse it appears. It can be the same model, nude in every picture, and still be quite diverse (high key, low key, glamour vs. art nude, color and B&W, bodyscape macro shot vs. distance silhouette, indoors and outside).
Ed
Yes, I do understand your point ... and it is a very good viewpoint! The op's first post seemed to be about a portfolio with only nudity causing her to be turned off to working with that photographer. Then in about the next post, she further clarifies it as saying she meant that being that the portfolio was all nudes, it lacks diversity.
What we are all talking about are our own opinions, while there are no set rules. What lacks diversity to you, may seem diverse to me. What turns the op off might be a turn on to someone else. No, I don't think she is the first model who has been "turned off" by a portfolio with only nudes, and she wont be the last. However, it is her opinion, and she is entitled to it. Then she should not work with photographers that "turn her off" or lack diversity in her opinion.
I'm not easily "turned off" to portfolios on Modelmayhem, although I saw some on OMP back in the day when it was free. Some portfolios simply don't move me some how emotionally ... and that means I just didn't feel enough about it one way or the other. However I do look for portfolios to turn me on. You are correct in that there are portfolios of nothing but nudes (even of one model) which are very diverse. It's not likely that all of us will agree on this topic ... it's too subject to personal opinion.
I love to shoot period! I shoot all kinds of stuff. Events, Kids, Families and yes I do some nude work as well. I am always wondering if having too much variety is a problem in my port. Here on MM it seems as though nudity gets way more attention for sure! I just keep shooting whatever that is in front of me the best I can bottom line!
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