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RKD Photographic
Posts: 3,265
Iserlohn, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany


This is why I've decided I no longer mind models who bring escorts to TFP shoots...

This was the driver.

First time in front of the camera.

An absolute natural - I rattled off about 300 frames in about 30 minutes at the end of the 'proper session'.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8452/8070343646_d82935b8dc_c.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8029/8070347079_9c21f8da00_c.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8309/8070340542_70b070270a_c.jpg

I told her I want to book her in for an afternoon as soon as she has some spare time...
Oct 07 12 11:58 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Orca Bay Images
Posts: 32,233
Lodi, California, US


You do know the difference between an escort and a driver, right?
Oct 07 12 12:04 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
AJ_In_Atlanta
Posts: 12,685
Atlanta, Georgia, US


Well I am glad you thought it was productive but I don't think this will change many people's opinion of the subject...
Oct 07 12 12:04 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
MDWM
Posts: 633
Los Angeles, California, US


maybe she'll bring a driver or escort with her
Oct 07 12 12:06 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
M Pandolfo Photography
Posts: 12,116
Tampa, Florida, US


Would you have felt the same if the model's "driver" had been a 300 lb male biker with a restraining order and the tattoo "Hulk Smash" across his bicep?
Oct 07 12 12:06 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Sungoddess Studios
Posts: 5,169
Atlantic Highlands, New Jersey, US


Oct 07 12 12:11 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
RKD Photographic
Posts: 3,265
Iserlohn, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany


Michael Pandolfo wrote:
Would you have felt the same if the model's "driver" had been a 300 lb male biker with a restraining order and the tattoo "Hulk Smash" across his bicep?

As long as he let me have a play on his Harley, no...lol

Oct 07 12 12:18 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
RKD Photographic
Posts: 3,265
Iserlohn, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany


Orca Bay Images wrote:
You do know the difference between an escort and a driver, right?

She was initially described as an 'escort' by the model... It then transpired after I enquired as to whether the model needed travel-money that she was also the driver.

Oct 07 12 12:19 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
RKD Photographic
Posts: 3,265
Iserlohn, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany


AJScalzitti wrote:
Well I am glad you thought it was productive but I don't think this will change many people's opinion of the subject...

Nor mine TBH, my regular policy will always be 'no llama herders' - unless of course I decide otherwise.


You have to admit though, she wears a nice pair of jeans... big_smile

Oct 07 12 12:21 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
RKD Photographic
Posts: 3,265
Iserlohn, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany


MDWM wrote:
maybe she'll bring a driver or escort with her

I guess it'll be the 'model' from today's shoot...lol

Oct 07 12 12:22 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jay Farrell
Posts: 13,046
Nashville, Tennessee, US


Orca Bay Images wrote:
You do know the difference between an llama herder and a driver, right?

1

Oct 07 12 01:20 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jay Farrell
Posts: 13,046
Nashville, Tennessee, US


AJScalzitti wrote:
Well I am glad you thought it was productive but I don't think this will change many people's opinion of the subject...

+2

Oct 07 12 01:21 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
John Wishard
Posts: 1,896
Fallbrook, California, US


I've had several instances where the model brought a friend that I enjoyed shooting...sometimes more than the model I had invited. I keep an open mind on llama herders/drivers/friends coming to shoots. Some of my favorite shoots were because of the husband's excitement with what we were creating. smile
Oct 07 12 01:30 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
SitronStudio
Posts: 1,058
Venice, Florida, US


Some of my favorite models have been friends that tagged along. The only time I say no is when a model says they're bringing their "manager" or "security".
Oct 07 12 03:10 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Amber West
Posts: 263
London, England, United Kingdom


Wow... she is stunningly hot!
Oct 07 12 03:13 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Tom Linkens
Posts: 6,418
Lititz, Pennsylvania, US


Michael Pandolfo wrote:
Would you have felt the same if the model's "driver" had been a 300 lb male biker with a restraining order and the tattoo "Hulk Smash" across his bicep?

Eh, ask to get some photos of him on & leaning against his Harley after the actual photoshoot.

Oct 07 12 03:22 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 11,864
Olivet, Michigan, US


Orca Bay Images wrote:
You do know the difference between an escort and a driver, right?

This.

If a beautiful woman brought the model and was going to leave after dropping her off, that's not an escort.  If a second person came along to model, that's not an escort.

If the model said that you couldn't be trusted to be alone with her, and she needs someone there "for my protection", or "to make me comfortable," THAT is an escort.

Oct 07 12 03:33 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Brian T Rickey
Posts: 4,007
Saint Louis, Missouri, US


I'm not going to get involved with the whole escort thing here, but I will say that yea, she is a stunning women.
Oct 07 12 03:42 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Black Dog Studios RI
Posts: 276
Providence, Rhode Island, US


Michael Pandolfo wrote:
Would you have felt the same if the model's "driver" had been a 300 lb male biker with a restraining order and the tattoo "Hulk Smash" across his bicep?

It's biceps.

Sorry, this is one of those pet peeves that drives me way crazier than it rationally should.

Now returning you to your regularly scheduled escort thread...

Oct 07 12 03:52 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Wolfy4u
Posts: 1,090
Grand Junction, Colorado, US


Despite your good luck, most objections to escorts still remain.
The last time I agreed for a female 'best friend' who's interested in photography
to be an escort, the model actually showed up with her mother who spent the entire
shoot make faces at her daughter because she claimed it helped relax her. I  couldn't do much because the shoot was on location.
Another problem with escorts, is that you then have two people who might have complications that cancel the shoot. "My driver/escort/manager" has to appear in court..." etc.

I've never had a young female escort cause problems, but boyfriend/managers are the worst, and husbands, mothers and male 'friends' are a 50/50 gamble at best.
Oct 07 12 04:03 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Shot By Adam
Posts: 5,631
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


http://www.shotbyadam.com/images/escortaward.jpg


AJScalzitti wrote:
Well I am glad you thought it was productive but I don't think this will change many people's opinion of the subject...

+1

Oct 07 12 04:08 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
BloominGael Photography
Posts: 267
Bloomington, Indiana, US


I don't mind escorts coming so long as their's no implied threat or attitude.  If there's attitude about it, I just won't do the shoot.  Model brought her boyfriend to the last shoot, but he was also a model and helped with the shoot.  Entirely depends on the individuals involved.  It's too iffy a world these days to not allow escorts if a model wants one.
Oct 07 12 04:12 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Ken Marcus Studios
Posts: 8,456
Los Angeles, California, US


Whew ! !

For a moment there, I was afraid that there wouldn't be an llama herder thread this week.

Thank god someone came to their senses and started one.

KM
Oct 07 12 04:14 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 11,864
Olivet, Michigan, US


BloominGael Photography wrote:
I don't mind escorts coming so long as their's no implied threat or attitude.  If there's attitude about it, I just won't do the shoot.  Model brought her boyfriend to the last shoot, but he was also a model and helped with the shoot.  Entirely depends on the individuals involved. It's too iffy a world these days to not allow escorts if a model wants one.

Well, no.  Personally, I don't consider myself "iffy."  Same with many others.  I find that things work out much better when I am not shooting with someone who fears me, isn't comfortable with me, or who feels justified in bringing someone to threaten me.

Oct 07 12 04:23 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Syosset Studio
Posts: 296
Syosset, New York, US


ANOTHER PHOTOGRAPHER'S MODEL'S ESCORT:

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/091002/20/4ac6c4f216e5d_m.jpg
Oct 07 12 04:24 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
JDF Photography
Posts: 1,913
Marengo, Ohio, US


@RKD- just my opinion but I'd say the driver was a bonus!
Oct 07 12 04:30 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Naughty Ties
Posts: 3,127
Riverview, Florida, US


RKD Photographic wrote:

You have to admit though, she wears a nice pair of jeans... big_smile

Yes she does but with that bangin' ass she'd look awesome even in a potato sack. Boy did you luck out!

Oct 07 12 04:38 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Blue Ash Film Group
Posts: 9,411
Cincinnati, Ohio, US


I'm still trying to process the 300 shots in 30 minutes face. That's approximately one shot every six seconds. Other than a wedding or some other type of event, I have hardly ever taken 300 shots in a complete day of shooting.
Oct 07 12 04:48 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
RacerXPhoto
Posts: 2,462
Brooklyn, New York, US


Last one that was proposed to me was Husband/Manager
He was to have say over creative aspects of the shoot like an art director
Told model this was totally unacceptable and she quickly backed off her request.
I thought maybe its was some kind of wacky test(I've had model tell me they test togs by asking if escort is ok even if they have no intention of bringing one)
Needless to say I failed and dropped said couple like a piece of molten lead
Oct 07 12 06:40 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jhono Bashian
Posts: 2,432
Cleveland, Ohio, US


AJScalzitti wrote:
Well I am glad you thought it was productive but I don't think this will change many people's opinion of the subject...

OP you lucked out on this one but I have to stand tall with AJ on this! 
The same old beaten to death forum with a happy ending.
No Parking for escorts in front of my building.

Oct 07 12 06:46 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
rp_photo
Posts: 42,490
Houston, Texas, US


RKD Photographic wrote:
This is why I've decided I no longer mind models who bring escorts to TFP shoots...

This was the driver.

First time in front of the camera.

An absolute natural - I rattled off about 300 frames in about 30 minutes at the end of the 'proper session'.

Others who come with the model for whatever stated reason are actually hoping to also get to model, which appears to be the case here, especially if she showed up dressed that way.

Oct 07 12 06:59 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
All Yours Photography
Posts: 2,304
Toledo, Ohio, US


This shoot was almost 3 years ago.  I knew the model was bringing a friend with her, but I didn't know until they arrived that the friend wanted to pose also.

You tell me which was the model and which was the friend.

mild 18+
http://modelurl.com/allyoursphoto/photo … 45452.aspx
http://modelurl.com/allyoursphoto/photo … 45451.aspx
Oct 07 12 07:55 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Eridu
Posts: 623
Boston, Massachusetts, US


Michael Pandolfo wrote:
Would you have felt the same if the model's "driver" had been a 300 lb male biker with a restraining order and the tattoo "Hulk Smash" across his bicep?

Better that than the model having a "Crush, Kill, Destroy" tat across hers.

Oct 07 12 07:57 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Odette Delacroix
Posts: 150
Los Angeles, California, US


Ken Marcus Studios wrote:
Whew ! !

For a moment there, I was afraid that there wouldn't be an escort thread this week.

Thank god someone came to their senses and started one.

KM

Haha, I was hoping this would be a thread about models who do escorting as well. So much for finding a date tonight.

Oct 07 12 09:14 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Kevin Connery
Posts: 16,795
El Segundo, California, US


Odette Delacroix wrote:
Haha, I was hoping this would be a thread about models who do llama herdering as well. So much for finding a date tonight.

smile

A model asked if she could bring her boyfriend to a shoot. I said yes, and I'm glad I did.

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/111009/17/4e9237e3b9bd5_m.jpg

Oct 07 12 09:21 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Art Silva
Posts: 9,236
Santa Barbara, California, US


I hired an Escort one night that also models on the side, it's more common than you think.

... oh wait, you meant THAT kind of escort, sorry my mistake tongue
Oct 07 12 11:31 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Shot By Adam
Posts: 5,631
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


All Yours Photography wrote:
This shoot was almost 3 years ago.  I knew the model was bringing a friend with her, but I didn't know until they arrived that the friend wanted to pose also.

You tell me which was the model and which was the friend.

mild 18+
http://modelurl.com/allyoursphoto/photo … 45452.aspx
http://modelurl.com/allyoursphoto/photo … 45451.aspx

Care to post this question in the critique section?

Oct 08 12 12:08 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jirrupin
Posts: 1,742
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory, Australia


likewise, i was less than upset with this escort..

http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/20453086
Oct 08 12 01:25 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jirrupin
Posts: 1,742
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory, Australia


likewise, i was less than upset with this escort to a tfp shoot..
http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/101126/10/4ceff71ed5670.jpg
Oct 08 12 01:25 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Rich Burroughs
Posts: 3,259
Portland, Oregon, US


So we're ok with them as long as they're hot?

Awesome.
Oct 08 12 01:42 am  Link  Quote 
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