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Makeup Artist
Pousy M
Posts: 5
Upper Marlboro, Maryland, US


How can I get  experienced photographers and models to take me seriously. I'm new and I realize this website is full of scammers. So if you have any advice please let me know.
Oct 08 12 06:26 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ColourFool
Posts: 1,649
Breda, Noord-Brabant, Netherlands


Pousy M wrote:
How can I get  experienced photographers and models to take me seriously. I'm new and I realize this website is full of scammers. So if you have any advice please let me know.

I hate it when people take me seriously.

Not sure what that has to do with scammers, but build a port and reputation and I'm sure people will .. Check out castings, do your due diligence in checking photographers and models, their references, websites etc.

You may still get burned by flakiness .. But that happens to most of us

Oct 08 12 09:31 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Alexandria Adair
Posts: 12
Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, US


Accept whatever work and experince that can come your way until you have a large enough portfolio to start choosing your own work
Or post to the casting calls for a TF shoot, lots of models are looking to have a make-up artist skills in their port, find a photographer that has a certain vision and help them attain that.
Be patient.
Oct 08 12 10:39 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Pousy M
Posts: 5
Upper Marlboro, Maryland, US


ColourFool wrote:

I hate it when people take me seriously.

Not sure what that has to do with scammers, but build a port and reputation and I'm sure people will .. Check out castings, do your due diligence in checking photographers and models, their references, websites etc.

You may still get burned by flakiness .. But that happens to most of us

Thanks!

Oct 08 12 06:35 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Pousy M
Posts: 5
Upper Marlboro, Maryland, US


Alexandria Adair wrote:
Accept whatever work and experince that can come your way until you have a large enough portfolio to start choosing your own work
Or post to the casting calls for a TF shoot, lots of models are looking to have a make-up artist skills in their port, find a photographer that has a certain vision and help them attain that.
Be patient.

Thanks so much! Good ideas!!

Oct 08 12 06:36 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Pousy M
Posts: 5
Upper Marlboro, Maryland, US


And I guess patience will be the hardest step for me! Building my port one pic at a time!
Oct 08 12 06:37 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Mark Salo
Posts: 8,123
Olney, Maryland, US


Really there are as many scammers everywhere in life as there are here.  They pretend to be from your bank, from the IRS, etc.  They send email and call on the phone.

The most common scam here involves sending you a bad check for too much money.  You deposit the check and forward good money to a third party.

If you don't ever deposit a check and forward part of it to a third party, you will be OK.

http://www.ripoffreport.com
http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?thread_id=117121
http://www.modelmayhem.com/help
Oct 08 12 06:50 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Libertad Green
Posts: 477
Los Angeles, California, US


Consider getting a website?
That's something I look at when considering working with someone.
Oct 08 12 07:02 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Leonard Gee Photography
Posts: 16,101
Sacramento, California, US


Pousy M wrote:
How can I get  experienced photographers and models to take me seriously. I'm new and I realize this website is full of scammers. So if you have any advice please let me know.

If they are scammers, assuming you know what that means, you report the profiles here:

http://www.ripoffreport.com

No one (that matters) will take you seriously unless you can do clean make-up without retouching showing like a flashing red neon light. A natural face has different textures and natural eye sockets. Once you can do that, then get a good photographer to photograph it with very little retouching.

Oct 08 12 07:55 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
imcFOTO
Posts: 579
Bothell, Washington, US


Pousy M wrote:
How can I get  experienced photographers and models to take me seriously. I'm new and I realize this website is full of scammers. So if you have any advice please let me know.

Maybe aim a little lower and you'll get better responses - and I don't mean dropping your standards. There are many talented photographer who are still building their portfolios and hiring an MUA is going to be out of budget when they may still be doing mostly TFCDs. So find someone who is hungry like you - who has a promising portfolio - and offer to collaborate on some TFCD shoots.

I have only recently started working with an MUA on exactly that basis. We've only done 2 shoots so far but the next one will have a large part focused on her process. Effectively a third of the shoot will be of her doing the makeup and hair for the rest of the shoot - kind of an editorial shoot for me. I found an obliging model who is happy to work with us and we all benefit.

I have had a lot more interest in photoshoots when I mention that I may be able to have an MUA/stylist for the shoot. As I start to get some paid commissions (and there have been a few) I will be able to offer the MUA's services (paid) as an option - now -we're moving.

So consider a TFCD partnership or two - get some good before/after shots in your portfolio - and just get working. Ideally, your work will look good enough that those experience photographers will starting approaching you!

Try a casting call offering TFCD collaboration and see what responses you get.

Oct 08 12 08:37 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
David Kirk
Posts: 4,423
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada


Leonard Gee Photography wrote:
If they are scammers, assuming you know what that means, you report the profiles here:

http://www.ripoffreport.com

No one (that matters) will take you seriously unless you can do clean make-up without retouching showing like a flashing red neon light. A natural face has different textures and natural eye sockets. Once you can do that, then get a good photographer to photograph it with very little retouching.

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Oct 08 12 08:43 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Mike Needham Retouching
Posts: 369
Cheltenham, England, United Kingdom


Build up a decent portfolio by networking and doing TFP work. Edit portfolio ruthlessly so that over edited pictures that don't show off the make-up to the best attributes are not showing (See point one).
Oct 11 12 06:15 pm  Link  Quote 
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