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Ash Belle
Posts: 22
Raleigh, North Carolina, US


I used to be a teacher, and I may go back to the classroom one day. At the same time, I love modeling, so I feel like there's a big conflict between my two passions, and I have to be very selective about the types of photo shoots I do.

Stories like this are a good reminder:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article … ead_module

(So, for those who didn't read the article, a counselor was fired for lingerie photos taken over 17 years ago...)

Have any of you had issues with photos coming back to interfere with a career (and not just nudes, any type of photo)? What about the issue of someone taking your face and putting it on someone else's body? (Ever had that problem?)

Is there a good way to balance both loves without compromising the success of the other? Have any of you been able to do this?

I just think it's important for all models to remember that as our lives and careers change, things CAN come back to haunt us, so we need to be careful.
Oct 08 12 10:41 am  Link  Quote 
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DMesser Photography
Posts: 1,288
Oceanside, California, US


Thank you for the information.  Being a glamour photographer, I always tell my models that if they choose to do implied nude or artistic nudes with me or any one, that they should think about what impact these choices may have on future possible careers as a teacher, cop, politician etc.  I didn't think that lingerie could also be a problem.  I hope this counselor gets her job back after the lawsuit.  If the courts rule against her w/o taking in her 17yrs of good work, that will be a bad precedent for photographers and potential models.   Thank you again,  Don
Oct 08 12 11:00 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Virgin Islands Pictures
Posts: 64
Raleigh, North Carolina, US


I shoot nudes, yes, but other stuff as well. My MM port favors the nudes.
A model I worked with has a full frontal picture out there on the net. I didn't take it or post it, but was present when it was shot. He went Agency. That photo has caused some problems in his agency work. Point is, I shoot nudes, yet, I suggest caution about posting them! By the way, the photo in question "escaped" from MM after it won the pic of the day contest, and it still floats around various blogs. .... For teachers, I guess part of it is a matter of bad luck; encountering a difficult admin at the wrong time. As long as everybody is over 18 and it isn't pornography, none of this is against the law.
Oct 08 12 11:09 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
dcsmooth
Posts: 1,150
Detroit, Michigan, US


DMesser Photography wrote:
Thank you for the information.  Being a glamour photographer, I always tell my models that if they choose to do implied nude or artistic nudes with me or any one, that they should think about what impact these choices may have on future possible careers as a teacher, cop, politician etc.  I didn't think that lingerie could also be a problem.  I hope this counselor gets her job back after the lawsuit.  If the courts rule against her w/o taking in her 17yrs of good work, that will be a bad precedent for photographers and potential models.   Thank you again,  Don

+1

I tell every potential model exactly the same thing.

I have also added a line into the model release I use which basically states that once displayed online in a model portfolio or photographer/artist portfolio, projected on a screen in a classroom discussion about art photography, or even hung in a brick and mortar gallery, there is zero possibility of ever recalling those images.

Having said that, I have worked with models over the years who were in medical school, educators, or well known in their community, and they chose to proceed with doing nude modeling. I am aware of at least a few models who have been recognized from modeling for artistic nudes.

Oct 08 12 11:13 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Axioma
Posts: 6,744
Gent, East Flanders, Belgium


In general, and for most of the jobs here (in Belgium), getting fired for a reason that has nothing to do with jobperformance - that doesn't fly so well in labour-courts.
Yet of course our cultures and systems differ.
Oct 08 12 11:18 am  Link  Quote 
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annie lomowitz
Posts: 257
WOODY CREEK, Colorado, US


yep, stuff can bite; and in the US we still struggle to be more than employees.

I'd offer one counter thought: imagine when you are no longer 20 or 30ish, and instead have grandchildren; what will you remember. Will it be so bad to look back at 10 or so years of nude work?

It is said that the young suffer from not seeing their future, and that the old can't see their past.


annie, wishing you happy 21st century problems
Oct 08 12 11:32 am  Link  Quote 
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David J Martin
Posts: 451
Amberg, Bavaria, Germany


_Mini wrote:
In general, and for most of the jobs here (in Belgium), getting fired for a reason that has nothing to do with jobperformance - that doesn't fly so well in labour-courts.
Yet of course our cultures and systems differ.

That's cool.  There are some, well many, things that Europe does better than the US.

Oct 08 12 11:32 am  Link  Quote 
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Princess Dasha
Posts: 57
Malmö, Skåne, Sweden


Challenge accepted! smile

I do understand your concern but I'd say that you shouldn't give much consideration about what people think or do once they are confronted with your less conservative past or presence.

There are many things that may haunt you in the future. Including the feeling of having wasted your life worrying about what may haunt you in the future! smile Sure you won't disappoint people with your adult work but you'll soon disappoint them with something else, truuuust me.

Forget the future and grab the presence... by the balls! big_smile
Oct 08 12 01:23 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Mark
Posts: 2,889
New York, New York, US


its a sad country we live in
Oct 15 12 10:39 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Sandra Vixen
Posts: 712
Los Angeles, California, US


That person clearly deserved to be fired, she was not smart enough to say "I have no idea who that person is in that 17 year old photo, you clearly have a sick obsession with teachers in lingerie, I'm calling the cops, you should not be anywhere near children".

Okay, seriously, that was a joke, but the answer was based on a true story.

My point is, sometimes someone can pick a photo of you and claim it to be you doing something horrible, like tearing the tags off couches. But it's not you, or is it you, or are they out to just get you?

There are a LOT of false positives when it comes to photos in my experience, a LOT. What you do now, like something innocent and harmless as modelling or horribly destructive like tearing tags off couches, is no one else's business to say if you are fit enough to (say) educate children.

But just remember that line, it's tested and worked.
Oct 16 12 12:13 am  Link  Quote 
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Miss AY
Posts: 8,164
Portland, Maine, US


I would rather regret the things I did do, than regret the things I didn't do. In 80 years it'll all be moot anyway!
Oct 16 12 09:29 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Imageography
Posts: 6,768
Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada


This is ass backwards to me.. Society should be educated, the model shouldn't have to regret anything she/he does.

The ridiculous world of censorship/control is still in full force.

If a teacher of children did porn, and yet her teaching skills are prime and she's totally normal and not molesting anyone or dressing like a ho, should she be fired for previous activity? I say no.

Again, I say ridiculous.. I say this is my .25c opinion and there are much worse things to worry about than whether or not someone has been in lingerie before.
Oct 16 12 09:35 am  Link  Quote 
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RKD Photographic
Posts: 3,263
Iserlohn, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany


"Only in America" - I realise that may sound harsh, but we have laws here to prevent such nonsense.
One of the UK's Members of Parliament modelled nude and also had nude roles in some of the many films she appeared in as an actress...
Oct 16 12 09:36 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ontherocks
Posts: 22,174
Salem, Oregon, US


i heard she was up for tenure so maybe it was more of a financial thing and they used the lingerie photos as an excuse? regardless, it's sad we live in a country where that can happen. we should celebrate beauty, not persecute it.

i think doing racy photos is a bit like getting a tattoo. those photos will be with you for a long time and it's hard to know what will happen in the future. you take your chances in life and hope your number doesn't come up. racy models should get credit for bravery.
Oct 16 12 09:39 am  Link  Quote 
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Lakeshore Photography
Posts: 155
Holland, Michigan, US


I've always tried to live my life without regret. I live with the "What's it all gonna mean when I'm dead" mentality. I don't see anything in your port that would threaten anything in your future or that could come back to haunt you. If you're thinking about returning to teach, stay away from genres that could threaten that in the future.
Oct 16 12 09:42 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Amadea T
Posts: 3,301
Columbus, Ohio, US


Ash Belle  wrote:
I just think it's important for all models to remember that as our lives and careers change, things CAN come back to haunt us, so we need to be careful.

I think it's important for society to mind their own fucking business when it comes to what people do in their PRIVATE (if there is such a thing anymore) lives. It shouldn't have any impact if Officer such and such did a nudie calendar with his mates last year or not, he's still in uniform doing his job.

Oct 16 12 09:49 am  Link  Quote 
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Amadea T
Posts: 3,301
Columbus, Ohio, US


RKD Photographic wrote:
"Only in America" - I realise that may sound harsh, but we have laws here to prevent such nonsense.

I'm so glad you said it first.

Oct 16 12 09:50 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Digitoxin
Posts: 13,332
Houston, Texas, US


Augustine York wrote:
I would rather regret the things I did do, than regret the things I didn't do. In 80 years it'll all be moot anyway!

This is a terrific way to express that sentiment.

Unless you copyright that saying, I am gonna steal it!

Oct 16 12 10:06 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Eros Studios
Posts: 690
Boston, Massachusetts, US


These kind of stories always make me angry and sad that our culture is still so hung up by nudity and sexuality concerning consenting adults. 

Why should a model's "other" career be effected by participating in something that is legal, harms no one, and has absolutely no bearing on her ability to do her work. 

In fact, she and the photographer might be contribuiting positively by putting art into this world.  I've never understood it and I never will.  Those old puritanical ancestral roots run deep and those members of the Church of The Presumtious Assumptions will always feel they should impose their sexual repression on the rest of society.  Sadly, they succeed in many respects.
Oct 16 12 11:52 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Brian Scanlon
Posts: 786
Encino, California, US


Imageography wrote:
If a teacher of children did porn, and yet her teaching skills are prime and she's totally normal and not molesting anyone or dressing like a ho, should she be fired for previous activity? I say no.

The only legit problem I can see with this is when the teacher's students, or other students at the school for that matter, find the pictures or video online.  That could be very disruptive to a school.

Oct 16 12 11:59 am  Link  Quote 
Artist/Painter
MainePaintah
Posts: 1,668
Saco, Maine, US


I have always lived my life the way I thought I should, with the thinking that life is too short, you could be dead tomorrow, and therefore I do not care what others think!

However, I DO regret the '70's!   smile
Oct 16 12 12:13 pm  Link  Quote 
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FiveOne November
Posts: 169
Rochester, New York, US


MainePaintah wrote:
However, I DO regret the '70's!   smile

We all do. smile

Oct 16 12 12:29 pm  Link  Quote 
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Laura BrokenDoll
Posts: 3,548
Modena, Emilia-Romagna, Italy


_Mini wrote:
In general, and for most of the jobs here (in Belgium), getting fired for a reason that has nothing to do with jobperformance - that doesn't fly so well in labour-courts.
Yet of course our cultures and systems differ.

This is soooo true also in Italy!

Oct 16 12 12:38 pm  Link  Quote 
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Viral Photo
Posts: 258
Richmond, Virginia, US


It's a shame that she lost her job based on something she did almost 20 years ago.  I've shot nudes as a model.  But I went into that knowing that it could come back to me in the future.  Now that I started working behind the lens, I tell models the same thing based on my experience.  You have to be careful.  'One persons' art is another persons' porn.'  I wish society didn't have that attitude, but, unfortunately, people do.  I have had conversations with models before the shoot if we are doing suggestive content and what can happen.  Just be mindful and careful, especially in this day and age.
Oct 16 12 01:15 pm  Link  Quote 
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Amadea T
Posts: 3,301
Columbus, Ohio, US


Eros Studios wrote:
These kind of stories always make me angry and sad that our culture is still so hung up by nudity and sexuality concerning consenting adults. 

Why should a model's "other" career be effected by participating in something that is legal, harms no one, and has absolutely no bearing on her ability to do her work. 

In fact, she and the photographer might be contribuiting positively by putting art into this world.  I've never understood it and I never will.  Those old puritanical ancestral roots run deep and those members of the Church of The Presumtious Assumptions will always feel they should impose their sexual repression on the rest of society.  Sadly, they succeed in many respects.

Well said! Hard to belive we all came out of a vagina, and most of us will have sucked on a nipple at one time or another...it's still wrong and dirty. Cause manbeast is no match for Baby Jesus.

Oct 16 12 01:17 pm  Link  Quote 
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NicoleNudes
Posts: 3,784
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Augustine York wrote:
I would rather regret the things I did do, than regret the things I didn't do. In 80 years it'll all be moot anyway!

Same

Oct 16 12 01:24 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Dannielle Levan
Posts: 12,857
New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada


I always ask nude models I work with if they plan on work in..
-Teaching
-Law
-Politics
-Government

If yes to any of the above, please reconsider! lol
Oct 16 12 04:44 pm  Link  Quote 
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Rob Photosby
Posts: 2,224
Brisbane, Queensland, Australia


Indirectly, this situation makes an argument against getting tattoos in that tattoos decrease the scope for deniability.  Not trying to offend the folk with tattoos, just saying.
Oct 16 12 07:06 pm  Link  Quote 
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Jules NYC
Posts: 15,506
New York, New York, US


I've got nothing.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c61/jbilotta/90556184.gif
Oct 16 12 07:11 pm  Link  Quote 
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Kaley King
Posts: 1,027
Jefferson City, Missouri, US


Sandra Vixen wrote:
That person clearly deserved to be fired, she was not smart enough to say "I have no idea who that person is in that 17 year old photo, you clearly have a sick obsession with teachers in lingerie, I'm calling the cops, you should not be anywhere near children".

Okay, seriously, that was a joke, but the answer was based on a true story.

My point is, sometimes someone can pick a photo of you and claim it to be you doing something horrible, like tearing the tags off couches. But it's not you, or is it you, or are they out to just get you?

There are a LOT of false positives when it comes to photos in my experience, a LOT. What you do now, like something innocent and harmless as llamaling or horribly destructive like tearing tags off couches, is no one else's business to say if you are fit enough to (say) educate children.

But just remember that line, it's tested and worked.

This is SO true...awhile back someone a fam member of mine worked with found a porn vid of a girl...he swore it was me and passed it around...

I was married at the time, and it caused a huge issue between my fam, and my husband at the time and me.  BUT, I never have and will never do porn...

But there were people who swore by it...

Oct 16 12 07:22 pm  Link  Quote 
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Jules NYC
Posts: 15,506
New York, New York, US


La Lana  wrote:

This is SO true...awhile back someone a fam member of mine worked with found a porn vid of a girl...he swore it was me and passed it around...

I was married at the time, and it caused a huge issue between my fam, and my husband at the time and me.  BUT, I never have and will never do porn...

But there were people who swore by it...

How terribly unfair.
sad

I'm sorry.

Oct 16 12 07:31 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
howard r
Posts: 467
Los Angeles, California, US


Imageography wrote:
This is ass backwards to me.. Society should be educated, the model shouldn't have to regret anything she/he does.

The ridiculous world of censorship/control is still in full force.

society may in fact need to educated but it is irrelevant to this particular issue. the world is what it is (for now) and right or wrong - these things can bite you in the ass later in your life.

also - this is not about censorship. censorship is when you are not allowed to speak (or create). in this country you can pretty much say or create anything you want, and we should be incredibly grateful for that. not everyone in the world has that degree of freedom.

Oct 16 12 07:50 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Rhiannon Davis
Posts: 945
Denton, Texas, US


If a future employer wants to hold my previous modeling work against me in some way, then I probably don't want to  be working for that employer in the first place. OMG. I SEEN HER BEWBZ. Let's all freak out.
Oct 16 12 09:24 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
rp_photo
Posts: 42,488
Houston, Texas, US


Imageography wrote:
This is ass backwards to me.. Society should be educated, the model shouldn't have to regret anything she/he does.

The ridiculous world of censorship/control is still in full force.

Too bad all the Liberals in power at the moment haven't helped more.

Oct 16 12 09:33 pm  Link  Quote 
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MJ Druchii
Posts: 12
Fayetteville, North Carolina, US


I am actually a Criminal Justice major, but I love modeling. Knowing that there is a life afterwards, I use a different name when I work. Granted, certain police departments have different rules and I know I'll have to say yes on the polygraph when asked if I've ever gone by a different name, but I've worked hard to make sure the two lives never blend. I know their (police departments) main concern is reputation. No one will be able to google Officer Jane Doe and have my photos pop up and I've been told by several officers and police instructors that as long as there's no name connecting you to the department, it should not ever be a problem.
Oct 16 12 09:48 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
MC Photo
Posts: 4,144
New York, New York, US


Ash Belle  wrote:
I used to be a teacher, and I may go back to the classroom one day. At the same time, I love modeling, so I feel like there's a big conflict between my two passions, and I have to be very selective about the types of photo shoots I do.

Stories like this are a good reminder:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article … ead_module

(So, for those who didn't read the article, a counselor was fired for lingerie photos taken over 17 years ago...)

Have any of you had issues with photos coming back to interfere with a career (and not just nudes, any type of photo)? What about the issue of someone taking your face and putting it on someone else's body? (Ever had that problem?)

Is there a good way to balance both loves without compromising the success of the other? Have any of you been able to do this?

I just think it's important for all models to remember that as our lives and careers change, things CAN come back to haunt us, so we need to be careful.

Here's the thing - you were born because two people had sex. There's no one anywhere in the world who's said procreation is wrong.

We document weddings. We document births. We shoot people getting killed in wars and show it on the news. We show dead bodies and the aftermath.

We show everything that exists and no one considers the above examples wrong. There are awards for wedding photography and there are awards for photo journalism - like a vulture preparing to eat a starving child. That's pretty sick.

"Porn" magazines are legal and I've seen all sorts of things on Tumblr.

How can it possibly be wrong to show, boudoir, lingerie or nude photos?

How can it be wrong to show people having sex?

The answer is it's not. So you don't have to worry about getting in trouble for doing something wrong.


The only thing you have to worry about is some nut job who has no trust in their own judgement or someone who's judgement is wacked and someone like that can screw you for things far more mild than a photograph of any sort.

It's not so much what you do that you have to worry about, but other people's unpredictability.

So you have to either live your life by your perception of other people's standards or by your own - and you can still get screwed either way.


I'm not suggesting that you take "risks" just understand that there are things you simply can't control.

And if you get hit by a bus tomorrow, it's not going to matter much.

Do what you think is right and prudent and trust your instincts not anyone else's. No one ever regrets trusting their instincts, the feeling of regret can only come after you don't trust your instincts.

Oct 16 12 09:54 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Gabrielle Heather
Posts: 10,064
Middle Island, New York, US


Mark wrote:
its a sad country we live in

on so many levels

Oct 16 12 10:01 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
P I X I E
Posts: 35,262
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Can't say I'm too worried.
Oct 17 12 12:08 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Guy MitKammera
Posts: 36
Clarksville, Tennessee, US


I have done lingerie to erotic photoshoots with lawyers, paralegals,local and federal law enforcement, daycare workers, counselors, dental assistants etc, none of whom ever later asked me to expunge their pictures.  That may be because their real identity is only on the llama release and DL images.

I think its a good idea that llamas always use aliases and photographers always use their real name.

I also have a hunch the the first woman US President will successfully deal with someone finding their Facebook sexting pics
Oct 18 12 12:40 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
CJ Standish
Posts: 212
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US


Strangekitty wrote:
I always ask nude models I work with if they plan on work in..
-Teaching
-Law
-Politics
-Government

If yes to any of the above, please reconsider! lol

+1 Good advice.

The problem with most of these situations - as with most discriminatory firings - is that most employers are smarter than the NY idiots who told her it was because of these photos she was being fired.

As in many situations, employers will build a long laundry list of 'violations' you have committed, go through the usual first, second, third warnings; building the list all the while: insubordinations, failure to meet expectations, blah blah blah. Then fire. They'll interview others, seek feedback "Quality Control Program", magnify every error.

These are the problem situations and are far more typical. The pictures - when they come to light - will cause disturbances, usually among jealous women because the men will be cool with them, tongues will wag saying you're holding your job not by merit but by titillation. That type of thing.

Those common situations are far more insidious because they're unacknowledged so you can never explain, never unless you want to really open the door - tell your side of the story. Judged without 'really' knowing what for.

It's too bad, but, unlikely you're going to change the world any time soon......

Oct 18 12 05:48 pm  Link  Quote 
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