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Woven Thought
Posts: 329
Petersburg, Virginia, US


Jeffrey M Fletcher wrote:

Woven Thought wrote:
No, if the age gap is too large, and I think it's only two years in some states, it IS still illegal.  A 17-year-old may not have sex with a 12-year-old legally in every state in the US, I do believe.  I also think the law is never for under a certain age, 12-ish.  Of course every state is different, but there are similarities.

Again. Actually in her state no one under the age of 17 may legally consent to sex. Not under any circumstances, not if the two individuals are born on the same day, not with parental permission, a note from the teacher, permission from the local judge... Under 17 is under age of consent in Illinois. There is a more severe level of charges if there is a more than 5 year age difference and the younger individual is in the 13-17 age group.


Please re-check your information. In Illinois, people under the age of 17 may not legally consent to sex. This is not dependent on the age difference or similarity of the participants.

I'm not sure how many times I wrote "in some states."  Y'all can go count if you like.  I wasn't about to look up every state.  I was unaware we were talking about a specific case.  Could you show me where the specific case was listed?

Oct 11 12 06:00 am  Link  Quote 
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Woven Thought
Posts: 329
Petersburg, Virginia, US


Anna Adrielle wrote:
...isn't it the same in the US?
Presley ONeil wrote:
only if one of the people is over 18.

two underage isnt illegal..

Oh here it is.  The United States was the initial reference.  I believe my responses mentioned how the laws very from state to state. 

I understand chastising me for incorrect information.  I believe I stated things appropriately.

Oct 11 12 06:04 am  Link  Quote 
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Jeffrey M Fletcher
Posts: 4,314
Asheville, North Carolina, US


Woven Thought wrote:

I'm not sure how many times I wrote "in some states."  Y'all can go count if you like.  I wasn't about to look up every state.  I was unaware we were talking about a specific case.  Could you show me where the specific case was listed?

Because state laws differ, to be accurate you have to refer to the relevant state law. I'm referring to Illinois because that is the state that Presley ONeil is listed in (that's the person you were responding to initially). I would assume that we would discuss the relevant state's laws since those are the ones that would apply.

Oct 11 12 06:07 am  Link  Quote 
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GPS Studio Services
Posts: 34,420
San Francisco, California, US


Woven Thought wrote:
Oh here it is.  The United States was the initial reference.  I believe my responses mentioned how the laws very from state to state. 

I understand chastising me for incorrect information.  I believe I stated things appropriately.

Don't over-react.  You have been presenting thoughtful and accurate responses.

Jeffrey M Fletcher wrote:
Because state laws differ, to be accurate you have to refer to the relevant state law.

And you are correct as well.  It does vary from state to state.  That is the problem with the U.S.  It is a big place and it is far too easy to give the right answer to the wrong person.

I thought he was doing a good job trying to answer questions.

Oct 11 12 06:07 am  Link  Quote 
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Woven Thought
Posts: 329
Petersburg, Virginia, US


ei Total Productions wrote:

Don't over-react.  You have been presenting thoughtful and accurate responses.


And you are correct as well.  It does vary from state to state.  That is the problem with the U.S.  It is a big place and it is fare too easy to give the right answer to the wrong person.

I thought he was doing a good job trying to answer questions.

Do we need to shake hands now?  smile  You are a wonderful mediator.

Edit:  sorry too many quotes, I didn't even attempt to make sure they worked correctly

Oct 11 12 06:13 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jeffrey M Fletcher
Posts: 4,314
Asheville, North Carolina, US


Angela Perez wrote:

who gets prosecuted if both children are the same age? Do both children get charged or the parents?

The Illinois law assumes that the older individual is the perpetrator.

Oct 11 12 06:14 am  Link  Quote 
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Farenell Photography
Posts: 17,846
Albany, New York, US


Urban Candy wrote:
I was a bit taken aback but I was polite and courteous.  They said "we are just here to make sure you are not a wierdo"..

Tis a pity you weren't sarcastic right back.

I probably would have said something intentional weird to eff w/ them.

Either that or put their butts to work holding a reflector. smile

Urban Candy wrote:
I felt very uncomfortable as I don't enjoy onlookers and I wanted to hear your thoughts?

You should have at least said something then or if you were generally ok w/ it, later when they took their beach walk.

Oct 11 12 06:16 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Woven Thought
Posts: 329
Petersburg, Virginia, US


Jeffrey M Fletcher wrote:
Because state laws differ, to be accurate you have to refer to the relevant state law. I'm referring to Illinois because that is the state that Presley ONeil is listed in (that's the person you were responding to initially). I would assume that we would discuss the relevant state's laws since those are the ones that would apply.

I understand what you're saying, but the original post was Belgium, I believe.

Oct 11 12 06:16 am  Link  Quote 
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KonstantKarma
Posts: 2,513
Hickory, North Carolina, US


Jeffrey M Fletcher wrote:

Again. Actually in her state no one under the age of 17 may legally consent to sex. Not under any circumstances, not if the two individuals are born on the same day, not with parental permission, a note from the teacher, permission from the local judge... Under 17 is under age of consent in Illinois. There is a more severe level of charges if there is a more than 5 year age difference and the younger individual is in the 13-17 age group.


Please re-check your information. In Illinois, people under the age of 17 may not legally consent to sex. This is not dependent on the age difference or similarity of the participants.

Knowing the laws, especially the ones you're breaking or considering breaking, is a good thing.

Here in NC, for example, an age difference of 4 years with at least one party underage is illegal. If you're 30 and 35, that's fine, but if you're 13 and 18, it's not.

Edit: Ahh, looks like this thread's blown up since I hit reply! lol

Oct 11 12 06:23 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Mea Culpa
Posts: 353
Brisbane, Queensland, Australia


Urban Candy wrote:
She is 17 years old so in Qld she is an adult.

Borderline at best. Most photographers I have met here would not shoot someone under 18 without a parent or guardian present. How are you surprised that a 17 years old girl's parents wouldn't want to check you out first, and be present for at least a short while?

A teenage girl's parents are a difficult beast to control. She probably asked them not to come and they insisted and turned up anyway. Any parent of a teenage daughter meeting a strange man to take photographs of her would do the same. It's unlikely that she tried to mislead you by not asking for them to come along. Plus it sounds like they stayed out of the way and did not interfere with the shoot at all.

It may be a good idea in future to organize to meet the parents of young models before a shoot just to let them know who you are and allay their fears.

Oct 11 12 06:26 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Woven Thought
Posts: 329
Petersburg, Virginia, US


Mea Culpa wrote:
It may be a good idea in future to organize to meet the parents of young models before a shoot just to let them know who you are and allay their fears.

That sounds like a really good idea.  Personally, I'm not going to shoot a model under 18 without a parent or guardian.  It may mess up the vibe, but there are legalities.  I also don't pursue them, as it is more trouble.

Oct 11 12 06:37 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jhono Bashian
Posts: 2,427
Cleveland, Ohio, US


Urban Candy wrote:
Either that or put their butts to work holding a reflector. smile




there you go....  the most scene I've read on this forum - JB
Oct 11 12 06:38 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Gems of Nature in N Atl
Posts: 1,333
North Atlanta, Georgia, US


Hey dad, im doing a bikini shoot with Urban Candy....
Edith, gas up the car......
Oct 11 12 06:38 am  Link  Quote 
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BloominGael Photography
Posts: 267
Bloomington, Indiana, US


Yeah, 17 is kinda young, regardless.  It was nice that he parents didn't freak out on you.
Oct 11 12 06:39 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Mea Culpa
Posts: 353
Brisbane, Queensland, Australia


Can I add that there is generally lot of (negative) talk about how younger, newer models behave or do not behave on here, with very little consideration for the fact that they're still learning how to behave.

A woman in her 20's? Yes, she needs to figure stuff out quickly, learn how to act independently and do her due diligence. Yes, she should be able to do things on her own. Over time she should become more professional, but at first she'll make the classic mistakes.

A girl in her teens? Let's be honest, we're not talking about an agency model that has been trained and prepped and taught how things work. No one tells her how to behave or teaches her how to act professionally. She's completely clueless kid with dreams of modeling and is going to make all of the mistakes people complain about.

It sounds like this girl was new to modeling, and didn't know that her parents insisting on turning up would be such an awful thing to you, or that you would be so offended as to post it on a public forum complaining about her lack of professionalism. But she's just a kid with no clue, why don't we cut her some slack and tell her in a very nice way that it wasn't comfortable for the photographer, instead of slagging her behind her back? We're so quick to complain about people, but we don't make any effort to teach them.
Oct 11 12 06:42 am  Link  Quote 
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KonstantKarma
Posts: 2,513
Hickory, North Carolina, US


Gems of Nature in N Atl wrote:
Hey dad, im doing a bikini shoot with Urban Candy....
Edith, gas up the car......

lol

Oct 11 12 06:43 am  Link  Quote 
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Lovely Day Media
Posts: 3,694
Vineland, New Jersey, US


Most people will probably disagree, but this is how I think of it:  it's nice to know when someone is bringing someone else, especially to a studio that is in one's home.  If it's an on location shoot in a public place, it's not a big deal to me.  Here's why:

  Suppose I'm on a beach shooting some *HOT* model.  I'm not there to date her.  I'm there to do business.  Part of the business is creating images.  The rest of the business is marketing.  This includes "impressing" the public AND promoting myself.  Hand out business cards to the onlookers, engage everyone.  I make myself known and remembered so that if a time comes when they need pictures, they'll hopefully remember the guy shooting that *HOT* chick last month (or even last year) who gave me his card.

  In the case of parents ... yes, they can be annoying ... but there is a fly in the ointment wherever one goes.  Be cordial, kind, diplomatic and even overly nice to a degree.  Why?  Because I can hand them business cards, too.  Now I will have the model talking about what a fabulous job I did with the images, how professionally I treated her and how nice I was to everyone around ... AND both her parents are raving about how well I treated their daughter, how pretty she looks in the pictures and I was just "so cool" about it all.

  So I've now handed out 5-8 business cards because I opted to shoot with a woman on a beach.  Business cards aren't all that expensive.  If 1 in 10 people call me and want to set up a shoot, it's more than worth the hassle of having people watch me work ... for me, anyway.

  Besides ... I've had people comment on how "pretty" the model is ... this is an ego booster for them (usually).  They smile bigger, get bolder ... their confidence soars and shows.  I try to set shoots up for areas where people *will* watch me work.
Oct 11 12 10:14 am  Link  Quote 
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MN camera
Posts: 1,860
Saint Paul, Minnesota, US


There's really only one relevant question here.

Did she know they were coming?

Leaving aside all the escort-related stuff (if that is at all possible!) if she knew they were coming and didn't say so upfront, that's not right.  She should have spoken up.

If she didn't know they were coming, she and they need to have a discussion about this.  (Though I think it's unlikely, as they came directly to the shoot location.)
Oct 11 12 10:25 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Rebel Photo
Posts: 11,446
Florence, South Carolina, US


Had something similar happen once... Mom showed up unexpectedly... still followed thru on a few implies shots. Parting, Mom exclaims "She did get naked, didn't she? She has beautiful little tits"

(pick jaw up off ground)

..then set up another shoot, Mom didn't come. tongue
Oct 11 12 10:41 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Mortonovich
Posts: 5,232
San Diego, California, US


All things considered, I'm going to say this hardly qualifies as an "ambush"
and fall under the "no big deal" category.
Oct 11 12 10:54 am  Link  Quote 
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Jeffrey M Fletcher
Posts: 4,314
Asheville, North Carolina, US


Woven Thought wrote:
I understand what you're saying, but the original post was Belgium, I believe.

Yes, and the other person you were responding to was a 16 year old from Illinois who had stated that her understanding of the law was  "two underage isnt illegal..". Since the person stating this is both under 18 and in Illinois it seemed to me to be prudent to accurately state the relevant state law rather than risk reinforcing a young persons misunderstanding.

I do understand you were giving a general overview of principles that are behind the so called "Romeo and Juliette" provisions in many state laws.

Oct 11 12 10:55 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Jules NYC
Posts: 15,506
New York, New York, US


With all the stories I read on a daily basis, I think parental protection overrides the 'rudeness' of not being upfront about other 'guests'/escorts.

She's 17, give her some slack.
Oct 11 12 11:06 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Images by MR
Posts: 7,457
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


ChiMo wrote:
All things considered, I'm going to say this hardly qualifies as an "ambush"
and fall under the "no big deal" category.

+1

Oct 11 12 11:22 am  Link  Quote 
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M Pandolfo Photography
Posts: 12,113
Tampa, Florida, US


Usually I cringe at the situations when people are brought along because they don't trust (or for whatever reason) the photographer.

This one doesn't bother me so much even though at 17 she's no longer considered a minor. She may not be a minor but she's also not an adult and I don't mean that in a derogatory way towards the llama.

I suspect the parents knew where the shoot was happening via the llama and decided on their own to show up and "check this guy out." In the parent's mind it's probably no different than what they would do if their daughter was going out on a date. Did she seem surprised? Or was it that "I already know what's inside this Christmas present and I'm going to feign surprise"

You passed muster and they obviously felt comfortable enough with you that they allowed you to shoot unimpeded for the most part.

This situation strikes me as fairly innocuous. The parents were polite and not overbearing and didn't hover the entire shoot. They even had a sense of humor about checking out if you were a weirdo.

I would be mildly amused and I can't really fault the parent's for doing a little inspecting on their 17 year old daughter.
Oct 11 12 11:26 am  Link  Quote 
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M Pandolfo Photography
Posts: 12,113
Tampa, Florida, US


MN camera wrote:
There's really only one relevant question here.

Did she know they were coming?

Leaving aside all the escort-related stuff (if that is at all possible!) if she knew they were coming and didn't say so upfront, that's not right.  She should have spoken up.

If she didn't know they were coming, she and they need to have a discussion about this.  (Though I think it's unlikely, as they came directly to the shoot location.)

While that normally would be true. And certainly so if the model were older. I can cut this model some slack. A 17 year old girl going to a shoot would be fairly mortified to have to inform the photographer that her parents might show up.

Whether it be embarrassment or fear of the photographer cancelling the shoot. I give this one a pass, even having not informed the photographer (if that is indeed the case).

Oct 11 12 11:30 am  Link  Quote 
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M Pandolfo Photography
Posts: 12,113
Tampa, Florida, US


I'm curious if you and the model discussed the parents showing up at all. I would think it would be very awkward, especially for the model, if it wasn't addressed.

I would have approached asking in a very lighthearted, joking manner like, "So....what's going to happen if I don't have you home by 10?" to break the ice a bit.

Just curious if her response to the parents showing up was "OMG...I'm soooo sorry..." or "yeah, they wouldn't let me come unless they checked you out first."
Oct 11 12 11:33 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Aaliyah Love
Posts: 113
Los Angeles, California, US


Jules NYC wrote:
With all the stories I read on a daily basis, I think parental protection overrides the 'rudeness' of not being upfront about other 'guests'/escorts.

She's 17, give her some slack.

17 or 71 years old, it's a professional shoot and EVERYONE involved is expected to act accordingly. Which includes not having escorts show up unannounced, or follow you around staring over the photographer's shoulder all day long. She's a llama being hired to do a job, and she needs to be professional about it.
Hopefully she learned her lesson here and won't make the same mistake again, or at least learn how to handle it better, or the next photographer/company might not be as easy going or forgiving, they'll just cancel the shoot (I probably would of) and she will lose out on money/reputation. Just sayin:)

Oct 11 12 11:33 am  Link  Quote 
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Jules NYC
Posts: 15,506
New York, New York, US


Aaliyah Love wrote:
17 or 71 years old, it's a professional shoot and EVERYONE involved is expected to act accordingly. Which includes not having escorts show up unannounced, or follow you around staring over the photographer's shoulder all day long. She's a model being hired to do a job, and she needs to be professional about it.
Hopefully she learned her lesson here and won't make the same mistake again, or at least learn how to handle it better, or the next photographer/company might not be as easy going or forgiving, they'll just cancel the shoot (I probably would of) and she will lose out on money/reputation. Just sayin:)

I agree with you.

Thing is, sometimes in life, things happen.
I am not discrediting the OP or any photographer's professionalism at all.

For me, I wouldn't have a problem with it at all.
I can do my job with an audience and do it without one, inclusive of strangers, parents, friends, etc.

Dipshit, disrespectful escorts, another ball of wax all together.

If someone's boyfriend, husband, parents wanted to accompany, be respectful, quiet and didn't ask me of anything, why would I care?

I don't like surprises though, but I can roll with it.
Not everyone has the sophistication of manners which in this or most like-type businesses, is known as professionalism.

I just typed something in Google quick.
http://www.fox59.com/news/wxin-teen-say … 385.column

So whatever on people upset about parents giving a damn.

After participating in more than a dozen photo shoots with the man at a downtown Indianapolis studio, the girl and her mother thought they could trust the photographer even though he gradually suggested racier photos in bikinis and lingerie that mother and daughter thought would land the teen a modeling contract with Victoria's Secrets.

Oct 11 12 11:52 am  Link  Quote 
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M Pandolfo Photography
Posts: 12,113
Tampa, Florida, US


Lovely Day Media wrote:
If 1 in 10 people call me and want to set up a shoot, it's more than worth the hassle of having people watch me work ... for me, anyway.

If you're getting a 10% response rate, let alone conversion rate, from a cold prospect using business cards, you should be teaching a seminar.

Oct 11 12 11:58 am  Link  Quote 
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M Pandolfo Photography
Posts: 12,113
Tampa, Florida, US


Jules NYC wrote:
I just typed something in Google quick.
http://www.fox59.com/news/wxin-teen-say … 385.column

So whatever on people upset about parents giving a damn.

After participating in more than a dozen photo shoots with the man at a downtown Indianapolis studio, the girl and her mother thought they could trust the photographer even though he gradually suggested racier photos in bikinis and lingerie that mother and daughter thought would land the teen a modeling contract with Victoria's Secrets.

I had so hoped the thread would remain Fear and Escort-Free.

Oct 11 12 12:01 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Jules NYC
Posts: 15,506
New York, New York, US


Michael Pandolfo wrote:

I had so hoped the thread would remain Fear and Escort-Free.

... but it's the same thread over and over.

It's reality.
Younger women or people in general are not as wise.

Shit happens.

Oct 11 12 12:03 pm  Link  Quote 
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John Edward
Posts: 2,462
Dallas, Texas, US


I'll give you an ambush, it happened in Austin, reason #392 why I left that place.

Model (19 yo) answers ad, sends bikini shots, agrees to do tfp shoot in a Public Park, with outfits. Says Mom, took bikini shots, (hmm?) very excited to do a real shoot, we set up a restaurant to meet at, and a time on Sunday.

Halfway to the shoot on the other side of town, Model calls, and asks if I could please meet her Mother, for just a minute, before we shoot, Mom, just wants to meet me.

This is where it gets weird.

So I show up, girl meets me in parking lot, shows me her backseat full of clothes, I mean her car was packed, she was ready to go, and all excited. Then we go inside to meet Mommy Dearest.

It seems we are having lunch now, and I'm the guest of honor at a job interview/background check/police investigation/spanish inquesition. To give you a visual, legs crossed, arms crossed over chest, pinched mouth, and a lot of, "Um Hmms."

I knew, walking in the door, from one look at this witch, that I was screwed, no matter what I said or did, but I figured it would be a learning experience.

I was polite, I was honest, and that's the thing, I was honest. I even invited Mommy Dearest to come along, if she so desired.

Oh No, After Lunch, Mommy, told daughter, that she had forgotten all about having to help her father with some project that afternoon, and she was to go straight home. It seems she had forgotten all about daddy's project, and Mommy saw no need to mention it before the Inquisition.

Okay, so I did not pass the sniff test, I get that. But could they not have been Honest?

No, because it was an ambush, see, after we settled the check, Mommy got up, daughter got up, and then this girl two tables over got up, who just happened to be her sister, and the big stupid looking guy with her, was sisters friend who was a bouncer, at a bar.

In short, I was set up from the gitgo. Bouncer boy was there to beat me up, whatever. It was all a setup.

I did not get mad, I felt bad for the girl.

Mommy gave her two minutes to say goodbye to me, before she was to, "go straight home."

So there I am, standing next to this girls car, full of all the pretty outfits she had wanted to wear, and she's practically crying, as she's trying to apologize, and...

I gave her a half hug, Told her, "it's okay, better luck next time."

As I drove away, she was standing next to her car with tears in her eyes.

Now that's an Ambush.
Oct 11 12 12:09 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Jules NYC
Posts: 15,506
New York, New York, US


John Edward wrote:
I'll give you an ambush, it happened in Austin, reason #392 why I left that place.

Model (19 yo) answers ad, sends bikini shots, agrees to do tfp shoot in a Public Park, with outfits. Says Mom, took bikini shots, (hmm?) very excited to do a real shoot, we set up a restaurant to meet at, and a time on Sunday.

Halfway to the shoot on the other side of town, Model calls, and asks if I could please meet her Mother, for just a minute, before we shoot, Mom, just wants to meet me.

This is where it gets weird.

So I show up, girl meets me in parking lot, shows me her backseat full of clothes, I mean her car was packed, she was ready to go, and all excited. Then we go inside to meet Mommy Dearest.

It seems we are having lunch now, and I'm the guest of honor at a job interview/background check/police investigation/spanish inquesition. To give you a visual, legs crossed, arms crossed over chest, pinched mouth, and a lot of, "Um Hmms."

I knew, walking in the door, from one look at this witch, that I was screwed, no matter what I said or did, but I figured it would be a learning experience.

I was polite, I was honest, and that's the thing, I was honest. I even invited Mommy Dearest to come along, if she so desired.

Oh No, After Lunch, Mommy, told daughter, that she had forgotten all about having to help her father with some project that afternoon, and she was to go straight home. It seems she had forgotten all about daddy's project, and Mommy saw no need to mention it before the Inquisition.

Okay, so I did not pass the sniff test, I get that. But could they not have been Honest?

No, because it was an ambush, see, after we settled the check, Mommy got up, daughter got up, and then this girl two tables over got up, who just happened to be her sister, and the big stupid looking guy with her, was sisters friend who was a bouncer, at a bar.

In short, I was set up from the gitgo. Bouncer boy was there to beat me up, whatever. It was all a setup.

I did not get mad, I felt bad for the girl.

Mommy gave her two minutes to say goodbye to me, before she was to, "go straight home."

So there I am, standing next to this girls car, full of all the pretty outfits she had wanted to wear, and she's practically crying, as she's trying to apologize, and...

I gave her a half hug, Told her, "it's okay, better luck next time."

As I drove away, she was standing next to her car with tears in her eyes.

Now that's an Ambush.

For some reason I bet 17 year-old agency models don't come with this scenario:)

Oct 11 12 12:16 pm  Link  Quote 
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M Pandolfo Photography
Posts: 12,113
Tampa, Florida, US


John Edward wrote:
Now that's an Ambush.

+1

It's also a self-fulfilling prophecy. The entire family showed up and the outcome was predetermined. It had nothing to do with you passing anything. You could have been Ghandi and they would have said, "He's too agreeable. That's creepy. Let's go."

Some families plan vacations to Yosemite. The family you described treated that as a family outing.

Thank your lucky stars you didn't shoot with her and THEN hear from the family after the fact.

Oct 11 12 12:21 pm  Link  Quote 
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M Pandolfo Photography
Posts: 12,113
Tampa, Florida, US


Jules NYC wrote:
For some reason I bet 17 year-old agency llamas don't come with this scenario:)

I'm also betting that, even though she was mortified and in tears, that she'll be allowing her mommy to control her activities for many years to come.

Oct 11 12 12:24 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Jules NYC
Posts: 15,506
New York, New York, US


Michael Pandolfo wrote:

I'm also betting that, even though she was mortified and in tears, that she'll be allowing her mommy to control her activities for many years to come.

Exactly.
F that!

Oct 11 12 12:33 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Abbitt Photography
Posts: 11,336
Oakland Acres, Iowa, US


Legal adult or not, if a model is still under her parent's care, there's a larger chance of parental involvement.  It's one reason, I love working with models in their late 20s or older.
Oct 11 12 12:34 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Monday Morning
Posts: 338
Norman, Oklahoma, US


I once had a model (22) show up with her step dad. She hadn't mentioned an escort at all. We were supposed to shoot both clothed and implied. To top it off she proceeded to tell me that step daddy was learning to be a photographer and wondered if I could give him pointers. Needless to say I was creeped out. Luckily a gust of wind came up and I was able to make excuses and leave due to the high winds. ..
Oct 11 12 12:47 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
David Parsons
Posts: 972
Quincy, Massachusetts, US


Presley ONeil wrote:

only if one of the people is over 18.

two underage isnt illegal..

Not necessarily.  In some places if there are more than two years difference in age, or one is below a certain age (even if both are under 18), it is automatically statutory rape.  It doesn't get applied very often, but it's used to stack charges if there is a trial.

Oct 11 12 12:54 pm  Link  Quote 
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John Edward
Posts: 2,462
Dallas, Texas, US


Michael Pandolfo wrote:

+1

It's also a self-fulfilling prophecy. The entire family showed up and the outcome was predetermined. It had nothing to do with you passing anything. You could have been Ghandi and they would have said, "He's too agreeable. That's creepy. Let's go."

Some families plan vacations to Yosemite. The family you described treated that as a family outing.

Thank your lucky stars you didn't shoot with her and THEN hear from the family after the fact.

Finally, somebody gets the point of one of my posts(rants).

"The Outcome Was Predetermined."

To me, the funny thing was "Where was daddy through all this?"

I know where his balls were, in Mommy's purse.

Honestly, if it wasn't for the poor girls humiliation, (I really felt sorry for her) if I had felt she was involved, I would have started a scene with bouncer boy.

Can you imagine the Austin PD showing up, and Mommy explaining that her daughter answered an ad on the Internet, and she had her other daughter bring along a guy to beat me up, and...

Me insisting it was a scam to steal my camera gear?

Aw, it could have got Real Weird, but the Point is, sometimes, the other side, does not deal in good faith.

Family Outing, I must remember that, LOL.

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