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AdelaideJohn1967
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Adelaide, South Australia, Australia


Today is the 10th anniversary of the bombing in Bali.

I can't say this on my local forums as I might get lynched.... Hell might have a mob after me on here too......... But rant mode on.

Bali is a lovely country but ever since tourism took over they had nightclubs, bars, and all the negative stuff that attracts, and this could be said about any country, but this is part of the reason that the bombers said they did what they did because Westerners have corrupted and ruined their country brought in drunkenness, prostitution and all the other baggage that goes with that.

Just saying ......I don't endorse what the mad fuckers did but I wonder if they had a point however small?
Oct 11 12 06:47 pm  Link  Quote 
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SPierce Photography
Posts: 19,577
Amherst, Massachusetts, US


I think we interject our culture and beliefs where it isn't wanted, and we have no business doing so.

However, as a culture, that's just what we do. Until our governments gets their heads out of their asses that these countries need assistance- but they DON'T need to be turned into the USA or whatever, we're all stuck.
Oct 11 12 07:03 pm  Link  Quote 
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AdelaideJohn1967
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Adelaide, South Australia, Australia


SPierce Photography wrote:
I think we interject our culture and beliefs where it isn't wanted, and we have no business doing so.

However, as a culture, that's just what we do. Until our governments gets their heads out of their asses that these countries need assistance- but they DON'T need to be turned into the USA or whatever, we're all stuck.

That's the problem though. Help can be given but usually all the other baggage goes with that.

Oct 11 12 07:05 pm  Link  Quote 
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SPierce Photography
Posts: 19,577
Amherst, Massachusetts, US


AdelaideJohn1967 wrote:

That's the problem though. Help can be given but usually all the other baggage goes with that.

The only help we should be giving is to ASK the people who need help what they need, give the money to people who are reliable (and not westerners) and let the people do their thing to help themselves.

IMHO

Oct 11 12 07:08 pm  Link  Quote 
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WCR3
Posts: 969
Houston, Texas, US


A couple of days ago, the Taliban decided that a young teenage girl who wanted an education for herself and other young women in Pakistan needed to be killed because of her beliefs.

Is this a "Western" idea that has corrupted the purity of their society, one that deserves bombing or attempted murder?

And as to Bali, did we export what the cowardly bombers disliked, or was it imported by those who found it interesting and exciting?
Oct 11 12 07:46 pm  Link  Quote 
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AdelaideJohn1967
Posts: 12,337
Adelaide, South Australia, Australia


WCR3 wrote:
A couple of days ago, the Taliban decided that a young teenage girl who wanted an education for herself and other young women in Pakistan needed to be killed because of her beliefs.

Is this a "Western" idea that has corrupted the purity of their society, one that deserves bombing or attempted murder?

And as to Bali, did we export what the cowardly bombers disliked, or was it imported by those who found it interesting and exciting?

I dind't say Westerners put all that stuff there, but when you become a tourist trap that stuff just happens and locals and ex pats start businesses like bars and nightclubs to cater for the tourists... I was just saying that everywhere that happens all the negative baggage that goes with it comes along for the ride.... And it impacts on the locals....

Oct 11 12 09:37 pm  Link  Quote 
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Jennifer Barker
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Houston, Arkansas, US


Everyone blames the west for something or another, wanting to read,wanting to going to school, not be forced into marrying some old fart because some old dudes say too, all kinds of pro west evil, but these same countries don't mind the handouts.
Oct 12 12 06:13 am  Link  Quote 
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MN camera
Posts: 1,860
Saint Paul, Minnesota, US


WCR3 wrote:
A couple of days ago, the Taliban decided that a young teenage girl who wanted an education for herself and other young women in Pakistan needed to be killed because of her beliefs.

Is this a "Western" idea that has corrupted the purity of their society, one that deserves bombing or attempted murder?

Interesting, isn't it?  There, a young woman wants to go to school so dearly she'll risk her life for it.  Here in the US, we disparage schools and education in general (and outright demonize teachers), ridicule intelligent people, and look with suspicion on anyone who speaks English "too well" because they must be up to something.

What separates the Taliban from other fundamentalists?  Two things: Their Central Asian location and the belief system they're fundamentalist adherents to.

Fundamentalists of any stripe have far more in common with each other than with the rest of the world, including the rest of the faithful in their chosen system.  They inevitably seem to be about the subjugation of women, the desire to prevent others from enjoying life, and doing violence to those they deem unworthy for whatever reason.  We'd be better off without all of them, of every belief.

Oct 12 12 06:43 am  Link  Quote 
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