People tend not to believe me, but I've had two flakes in the last 18 years.
Some reasons why I think I have such a good "flake ratio":
... I am selective when it comes to models. I prefer experienced ones. (Models
who flake tend not to last long enough to become "experienced").
... I check references. Photographers in this area talk with each other, and we
can share both good & bad information about models.
... I am professional, laid back, positive, empathetic & constructive.
... I treat models as respected adults. I don't ask for deposits. I don't insist on
phone calls. I don't require face-to-face meetings. If she says she'll be at
the photo session at a certain time, I believe her.
... I am experienced myself.
... I am clear in my communications. We discuss expectations before we agree to
... I produce images that are of sufficient quality & uniqueness that models want
to work for me.
... Most times, I pay models (because my web site brings in revenue).
There are probably other factors, but that's the gist of it.
I have mostly misses especially now since I'm trying to add fashion/editorial styles to my portfolio. I offer to pay and I either get mostly no response or some contact then it ends. I put these people on my personal black list. Seriously wish people would say "no thanks". Yup, SOS.
I've had people disappear on me for paid stock shoots even after I've worked with them several times before and they asked me to shoot them.
I'm thinking I will change my tactics and never offer pay to anyone again. When I do TF it seems to work better for me. Go figure.
I wish I could contact with other photographers about whom to work with, etc. but it doesn't seem to happen for me so I go it alone.
I'm at 100% (success), with llamas I've set shoots up with, both here, and on the outside, and that is after MANY years of doing this. I have had one or two say no BEFORE setting a shoot up, and one priced herself out of the shoot, (I suspect she simply didn't want to shoot with me, for whatever reason). I can't remember a bad shooting experience with any of them, though a woman vomited in my car once.
Life is good !
If people don't have enough respect for themselves to honor their word, then it goes without saying that they don't have enough respect for you to show up for the shoot. Sadly, we live in a world where a persons word is nothing more than an EMPTY promise in many cases. An empty barrel makes the most noise ~~~ m'
Backstreet Photography wrote: If people don't have enough respect for themselves to honor their word, then it goes without saying that they don't have enough respect for you to show up for the shoot. Sadly, we live in a world where a persons word is nothing more than an EMPTY promise in many cases. An empty barrel makes the most noise ~~~ m'
It seems so easy nowadays to hide behind a keyboard.
It has sometimes gone in streaks for me as well - may have several in a row all follow through and then several in row all cancel. I'd say overall, 50% or so cancel. (but I'm also a 100 mile trip for most models where I live)
In the case of those who cancel, I can almost always tell there is a good chance they will cancel. I book them anyways for the simple reason that if I book 4 models who have a 50% chance of canceling, it will likely result in 2 shoots. If I don't book any of the four, I am absolutley guaranteed none of them will show up.
If I only booked reliable models, it would mean spending more than I can afford and/or rarely shooting. I choose to shoot affordably and put up with more cancelations.
My worst as far as numbers? I had four flakes in a row over perhaps a on month time frame in 2007.
My worst ever? Had no call no show for a calender set in 2011 where there were about nine people involved in prepping for the shoot. I felt like an ass.
Second worse: I canceled a shoot the someday because my wife was very sick. (She had the pig flu or some damn mess) I wanted to stay home with her. Model wrecked my good reputation by trash talking me really bad. That was also 2007. I guess 2007 was a bad year for me.
Barry Kidd Photography wrote: Second worse: I canceled a shoot the someday because my wife was very sick. (She had the pig flu or some damn mess) I wanted to stay home with her. Model wrecked my good reputation by trash talking me really bad. That was also 2007. I guess 2007 was a bad year for me.
You should've invited the model over and had your wife sneeze on her. Give her a solid appreciation for why you cancelled the shoot.
I've learned to be much more selctive and much less patronizing where finding quality people are concerned. Finally developed a good sense of who is a flake, a diva or a ditz...hence my sitting here typing this.
Golf is really frustrating. You can hack up 13 holes in a row and lose 6 balls in the process, but on the 14th hole you happen to take that 6 iron out and pop it high and straight and somehow roll it up about 3 feet from the cup. Then you two putt that and lose two more balls and score an amazing 112 for the round.
But when you're having your third beer at the course bar, all you REALLY care about is that beautiful approach shot on the 14th.
And that's why you make a reservation for next week.
I guess it really comes down to what qualifies a non shoot as flaked on, when it comes to a physical no show, I get 1 for about ever 20 shoots, if were talking about once a shoot is scheduled, wardrobe and location set, date confirmed and at the last minute bail or stop communications.....about 1 of every 4 go away never to happen.
I'm used to the game by now, however it still blows when a model decides that she has better things to do...Oh well, i'll just be happy to work with the accountable ones!
If your just playing and just doing this for yourself... then you have to put up with the "flakes" on here ( a lot of them here in the U.S. I might ad ). If it"s for a "real" paying client.. and you are booking off this site... GOOD LUCK!
Shortbus Photography wrote: good Idea what protocols do you suggest?
1) Learn some of the traits of flakes (note: hardly a comprehensive list). Be wary of:
A) Unrealistic hopes and expectations
B) Excessive enthusiasm
C) Poor/inconsistent communication
D) Fear and skittishness (especially if it manifests itself in boyfriend/husband is
required as escort)
E) If the model seems skittish, suggest she participate in a
multi-model shoot with hair/MUA in attendance.
2) Do a cursory background check on the model. It's not foolproof.
A) Check the model's profile tags. Are there any photographers leaving tags like,
"What happened to you?" That's a kiss of death if those tags exist.
B) Ask photographers who've worked with that model. (You'll rarely get a negative
response, but you can verify the model's work ethic.)
C) Ask other photographers you know if they'd dealt with the model. By this
method I have found out some models have a history of flaking.
D) If in doubt, include the model in a multi-model shoot. If she
bails, you still have someone else to work with. And the model
who does show gets our undivided attention.
3) Establish a policy for communication and timely response. Let the model know.
A) For me, in the last 4-5 days before the shoot, any response slower than 24
hours may terminate the shoot.
B) I contact the model the day before the shoot to verify. If by the day of the
shoot I don't get a response, I try one last time by email and voice call.
No reply within an hour or two, no shoot.
C) I don't hit the road without hearing from the model (voice call or email) on the
day of the shoot.
NOTE: When told about my requirement for timely response, most models are
pretty good about contacting me proactively.