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Photographer
Shades Of Gray
Posts: 1,054
Colorado Springs, Colorado, US


I was just using a high quality cream makeup on a model.  After she was about half covered when she started getting nauseous.  She said that she felt hot and dizzy. She went on to throw up slightly after going to the bathroom.  She wasn't getting better after five minutes or so. We immediately started removing the makeup and she started feeling better. I won't say the brand at this point but it is one of the top three. I contacted the manufacturer and they seemed shocked and claimed to have never heard of such a strong reaction to their product.  nothing ever beyond a slight rash at worst, so they said.

***edit*** I just got the MSDS sheet on the product and am reading it now.

She is fine now, by the way.
Oct 12 12 05:07 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Jordan Bunniie
Posts: 1,691
Los Angeles, California, US


This happened to me once.
Same thing.. once I was showered off, I felt better.
Oct 12 12 05:12 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Meena Heartsong
Posts: 435
Columbia, Missouri, US


I've heard of people having reactions like this to fumes, or have longer reactions with certain ingredients due to rare allergies or autoimmune issues. Glad it was quickly removed. If none of those, could be a weird batch? Is she still feeling ok?
Oct 12 12 05:12 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Shades Of Gray
Posts: 1,054
Colorado Springs, Colorado, US


Thanks for the replies.  I just read the MSDS sheet and it sounds totally inert.  I just called her and she is fine, thankfully.



MSDS excerpt:
Section 10: Stability and Reactivity
Stability: Stable Conditions to Avoid: None known. Incompatibility: None known.
Hazardous Decomposition or Byproducts: None known. Hazardous Polymerization: Will not occur.
Section 11: Toxicological Information
This is a cosmetic product that is safe for use as intended. Finished product is not expected to have adverse or chronic health effects.
Not considered toxic. Product does not contain ingredients listed as carcinogenic according to NTP, IARC or OSHA.
Oct 12 12 05:19 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Shades Of Gray
Posts: 1,054
Colorado Springs, Colorado, US


Jordan Bunniie wrote:
This happened to me once.
Same thing.. once I was showered off, I felt better.

Interesting that it happened to you also.  She was better even before we had her get in the shower to finish off.  Perhaps some unusual allergy. She did say that she is sensitive to latex but that she has been body painted before.

Oct 12 12 05:23 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Jordan Bunniie
Posts: 1,691
Los Angeles, California, US


GraysOfShade wrote:

Interesting that it happened to you also.  She was better even before we had her get in the shower to finish off.  Perhaps some unusual allergy. She did say that she is sensitive to latex but that she has been body painted before.

Yeah, I'm thinking we both had bizarre reactions to it.

The paint we used was made out of gold, by chance your paint had metal in it?

Oct 12 12 05:43 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Shades Of Gray
Posts: 1,054
Colorado Springs, Colorado, US


No, it was actually red.  One theory that I heard from the store that I purchased it from was that red conducts heat and possibly overheated her.  I'm not sure that accounts for nausea though.  it would be consistent with her recovering almost instantly as we got it off.  The ambient temperature was only 72 degrees though.

I have used Aqua color gold several times without any issues.  This product was by a different manufacturer and cream based though.
Oct 12 12 05:45 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
EmElle Makeup and Hair
Posts: 5,013
San Jose, California, US


I might.  If I get too hot, I feel nauseous too.
Oct 12 12 05:49 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Shades Of Gray
Posts: 1,054
Colorado Springs, Colorado, US


EmElle Makeup and Hair wrote:
I might.  If I get too hot, I feel nauseous too.

We were applying it pretty quickly.  Maybe it warmed her up and it was a kind of shock reaction. She was applying it along with myself and one other person.

Oct 12 12 05:55 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Shades Of Gray
Posts: 1,054
Colorado Springs, Colorado, US


I guess even with quality products freak stuff happens.  It just amazes me when I read about people who are planning to paint someone with Sherwin Williams best 50 year, industrial bridge paint or automotive paints.  I would hate to think of what could happen when even the best cosmetic products can have issues from time to time.
Oct 12 12 06:02 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Jordan Bunniie
Posts: 1,691
Los Angeles, California, US


GraysOfShade wrote:
No, it was actually red.  One theory that I heard from the store that I purchased it from was that red conducts heat and possibly overheated her.  I'm not sure that accounts for nausea though.  it would be consistent with her recovering almost instantly as we got it off.  The ambient temperature was only 72 degrees though.

I have used Aqua color gold several times without any issues.  This product was by a different manufacturer and cream based though.

Interesting.

My vote is still for bizarre reaction..

Oct 12 12 06:07 pm  Link  Quote 
Body Painter
Lisa Berczel
Posts: 3,996
Corona, California, US


How long was she standing?
How long was the painting session?
How hot was the studio?
Had she been eating/drinking enough to maintain hydration and blood sugar?
Was she hung over?

While what she experienced maaaaaay have been a product reaction... if her skin didn't react, I'm leaning towards environmental conditions.

Her instantaneous recovery may have been to the fact she was moving, sitting  and cooled by the removal process.


I've had SEVERAL models get light headed and dizzy - including passing out. And each had NOTHING to do with body paint ingredients.

Models NEED to move - and not be lock-legged standing (or sitting) any more than absolutely necessary.
Oct 12 12 06:12 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Shades Of Gray
Posts: 1,054
Colorado Springs, Colorado, US


Lisa Berczel wrote:
How long was she standing?
How long was the painting session?
How hot was the studio?
Had she been eating/drinking enough to maintain hydration and blood sugar?
Was she hung over?

While what she experienced maaaaaay have been a product reaction... if her skin didn't react, I'm leaning towards environmental conditions.

Her instantaneous recovery may have been to the fact she was moving, sitting  and cooled by the removal process.


I've had SEVERAL models get light headed and dizzy - including passing out. And each had NOTHING to do with body paint ingredients.

Models NEED to move - and not be lock-legged standing (or sitting) any more than absolutely necessary.

She was standing for less than 10 minutes and moving the whole time as she was also applying color.

We had only begun 10 minutes prior.

It was 72 degrees

She said that she does drink lots of water and did not appear hung over at all. I don't know about food. She might chime in here later as I provided her with a link to the thread.

Her skin did not seem to react at all as it appeared normal as soon as the cream was removed.

Oct 12 12 06:15 pm  Link  Quote 
Body Painter
Lisa Berczel
Posts: 3,996
Corona, California, US


Had she been painted before?

What you describe does not sound like any of the allergic reactions I've seen. Especially since the skin didn't react.....
Oct 12 12 06:34 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Shades Of Gray
Posts: 1,054
Colorado Springs, Colorado, US


Lisa Berczel wrote:
Had she been painted before?

What you describe does not sound like any of the allergic reactions I've seen. Especially since the skin didn't react.....

Yes, she had been painted before but I don't know what kind of paint was used on her.

Oct 12 12 06:47 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Piscis Noctis
Posts: 11,010
Santa Clara, California, US


GraysOfShade wrote:
Thanks for the replies.  I just read the MSDS sheet and it sounds totally inert.  I just called her and she is fine, thankfully.



MSDS excerpt:
Section 10: Stability and Reactivity
Stability: Stable Conditions to Avoid: None known. Incompatibility: None known.
Hazardous Decomposition or Byproducts: None known. Hazardous Polymerization: Will not occur.
Section 11: Toxicological Information
This is a cosmetic product that is safe for use as intended. Finished product is not expected to have adverse or chronic health effects.
Not considered toxic. Product does not contain ingredients listed as carcinogenic according to NTP, IARC or OSHA.

You know, most MSDS that I've read leave a lot to be desired unless you are talking about a product that is very very well characterized (say HCl). For the most part, they will just say "we really don't know". And they simply won't go out of their way to do the complicated tests, because it's expensive to do so.

Oct 12 12 07:14 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Chicchowmein
Posts: 14,475
Palm Beach, Florida, US


Did you ask her when the last time she had eaten? Or if she was hypoglycemic?

I have had a model pass out on set before (No body painting involved but it was hot and humid out and she indicated that something like that had happened before).

Scared the bejebus out of me
Oct 12 12 07:33 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Kristin Short
Posts: 87
Springfield, Ohio, US


Oh wow! I've never heard of a reaction like that before! I'm so sorry that happened. It had to have been crazy http://assets.modelmayhem.com/images/smilies/scary.pngfor everyone involved. I'm glad shes back to normal though!!
Oct 12 12 07:42 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
GER Photography
Posts: 7,877
Imperial, California, US


Sounds more like a bad burrito reaction than body paint!! JK:-)))
Oct 12 12 07:48 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Shades Of Gray
Posts: 1,054
Colorado Springs, Colorado, US


Piscis Noctis wrote:
You know, most MSDS that I've read leave a lot to be desired unless you are talking about a product that is very very well characterized (say HCl). For the most part, they will just say "we really don't know". And they simply won't go out of their way to do the complicated tests, because it's expensive to do so.

They actually went quite a ways beyond the usual MSDS in that they affirmatively state that "this product poses no health or safety risks . . . "

Oct 12 12 08:35 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Shades Of Gray
Posts: 1,054
Colorado Springs, Colorado, US


chicchowmein wrote:
Did you ask her when the last time she had eaten? Or if she was hypoglycemic?

I have had a model pass out on set before (No body painting involved but it was hot and humid out and she indicated that something like that had happened before).

Scared the bejebus out of me

I didn't ask her that.

Oct 12 12 08:38 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Shades Of Gray
Posts: 1,054
Colorado Springs, Colorado, US


Kristin Short wrote:
Oh wow! I've never heard of a reaction like that before! I'm so sorry that happened. It had to have been crazy http://assets.modelmayhem.com/images/smilies/scary.pngfor everyone involved. I'm glad shes back to normal though!!

Well it certainly freaked me out! Just don't want it to happen again if I can help it. That's why i am trying to get to the root cause if that's even possible.

Oct 12 12 08:40 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Makeup Hair by Dani B
Posts: 746
Los Angeles, California, US


I have had a similar reaction before to cosmetic paint type products as well as hair stuff. I haven't been able to figure out what it is that causes it. Some FX stuff I can't use at all, but it even happens with really innocuous stuff. I have to "try" everything I use first, real pain in the A. Even non-toxic type stuff. The human body is a crazy thing. Good reminder to us all to be cautious and aware of our model/talent's physical state when we're working. Glad she's ok.
Oct 12 12 08:41 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Shades Of Gray
Posts: 1,054
Colorado Springs, Colorado, US


George Ruge wrote:
Sounds more like a bad burrito reaction than body paint!! JK:-)))

I hope that's all it was and it could very well have been something she ate hours ago that caused the problem.  I have felt similar when I have eaten tainted food.

Oct 12 12 08:42 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
PTPhotoUT
Posts: 1,961
Salt Lake City, Utah, US


Jordan Bunniie wrote:
This happened to me once.
Same thing.. once I was showered off, I felt better.

I had the same experience with a model I was painting once. We stopped immediately and I had the model clean up as fast as possible. The other model undergoing the exact same procedure was fine.

Oct 12 12 08:52 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Shades Of Gray
Posts: 1,054
Colorado Springs, Colorado, US


Makeup by Dani B wrote:
I have had a similar reaction before to cosmetic paint type products as well as hair stuff. I haven't been able to figure out what it is that causes it. Some FX stuff I can't use at all, but it even happens with really innocuous stuff. I have to "try" everything I use first, real pain in the A. Even non-toxic type stuff. The human body is a crazy thing. Good reminder to us all to be cautious and aware of our model/talent's physical state when we're working. Glad she's ok.

I guess this will just be something to be on the lookout for.  I don't think a test patch would help as with latex.  I think that if it was a reaction to the product that a threshold level would be hard to imagine. Also as you stated, it's just a good idea to keep an eye on those that we work with no matter what the cause, people do get ill sometimes and we should be ready to help.

Oct 12 12 09:17 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Laura UnBound
Posts: 27,367
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


It may have been the paint, it may not have been the paint at all.


For a lot of people, you can stand perfectly still forever and ever when you're not doing it on purpose, but the minute someone says "do not move!" it's suddenly the hardest thing in the world. You can unconsciously go forever without blinking but a staring contest is difficult. Mentally putting pressure on the issue can cause a lot of reactions.

Regardless of how much I had eaten and drank and slept and warmed up prior to shoots, sometimes I still just don't feel right. Sometimes if I'm doing strenuous poses or holding a pose for a long period of time (even just standing really still for ten minutes) i don't feel well. There's no predicting it either, unfortunately.

Being able to do something else, even just walk it off helps. Additionally, mentally convincing yourself it's the paint, and then getting the paint off, will make you feel better.


Could have been the paint, could have been her body playing a trick on her.
Oct 13 12 02:26 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Michael Bots
Posts: 5,887
Kingston, Ontario, Canada


People can react differently to anything - case in point - Axe / Lynx products (Unilever).
Common and almost universally harmless.   

Boy, 12, collapsed and died after 'using too much Lynx deodorant
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article … orant.html
http://www.findingdulcinea.com/news/hea … h-Boy.html

"The death of a British boy highlights the dangers posed by household items. It is believed that Daniel Hurley’s January death from cardiac arrhythmia was caused by using too much Lynx body spray in an enclosed space."


Man nearly dies after one spray of Lynx deodorant
http://www.naturalnews.com/028123_deodo … icals.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article … ction.html

"A British man who had never before had an allergic reaction in his life almost died on Christmas Day after using a popular deodorant spray called Lynx. After spraying himself with it, Darren Palmer began to develop an itchy rash that quickly developed into anaphylactic shock which left him unconscious.

Palmer indicated that he had used this brand of deodorant before without any problems, however the product that almost killed him was from a new line called "Fever" which may have had new, unknown chemicals in it that caused a severe reaction. After his initial reaction, Palmer immediately tried to take a shower to get the product off his body. When he realized that the reaction was only getting worse, he panicked and tried to get out of the shower but collapsed in the bathtub.

The spray caused Palmer's throat and windpipe to swell, rendering him unable to breathe. According to paramedics, he would have died were it not for the quick response of his wife, Joanne, who immediately called for help upon discovering her husband unconscious."
Oct 17 12 09:06 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Chicchowmein
Posts: 14,475
Palm Beach, Florida, US


GraysOfShade wrote:

I didn't ask her that.

I would have asked and I always try to make sure we have plenty of water and it is also a good idea to have some snacks on set.

I almost passed out once while shooting a wedding on the beach ( I was mortified because the bride asked me if I was hungover) but it was superhot and humid and I was severely anemic and it was that time of the month. I had some water and felt better but I really felt like I was gonna hurl and then I felt like I was going to pass out. I found out my hemoglobin was 7 so that explained it.

Oct 17 12 07:27 pm  Link  Quote 
Body Painter
Emily Rose Phillips
Posts: 7
Perth, Western Australia, Australia


I've heard it's quite common for models to lose their balance or become dizzy while being body-painted. It's only happened to me once, and I think it was a combination of changes in the weather and the model not having enough food/water in her system! Definitely need to make sure your model is drinking enough water and taking short walks around the studio. It's just a bit disorienting to be standing still for any length of time and having brushes pushed into your skin.
Nov 04 12 03:15 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Dani Jaye
Posts: 319
Princeton, New Jersey, US


If it raised her temp quickly it for sure could account for the nausea.  In fact if I become slightly heated suddenly, I instantly feel strongly ill and have to cool off quickly for it to go away.  it is a very quick process, as you described in your retelling of the event.
Based on the above thread, I could totally see it being a temperature issue, especially if she had too little or perhaps even too much to eat.
Nov 04 12 10:04 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Amelia Talon
Posts: 1,470
Los Angeles, California, US


When I was' painted gold' for a shoot back in the day I got super hot, light headed and nauseous. I had to sit and drink cold water and had recovered. Still managed to shoot it.
I also had another run in similar, where I was being body casted back in the day. We were doing my torso and I was fighting feeling sick and soo hot in it but I wanted to finish it badly. Ended up puking the moment it was taken off, in a handy water bucket, thank god not the floor or his product.
All horribly embarrassing moments for me, but this sounds completely logical. You get hot, you feel sick.
Nov 08 12 12:59 pm  Link  Quote 
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