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Aly Catt
Posts: 402
Oneonta, New York, US


I'm just wondering why some photographers say no escorts; unless its a female escort.

a female cant steal from you?
a female cant hurt you?
a female cant distract from the shoot?

if i was a photographer, i would either allow escorts; or not at all. not discriminate what escorts are ok and which aren't by gender,race, etc.
Oct 13 12 02:05 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Lumigraphics
Posts: 32,652
Detroit, Michigan, US


Aly Danielle wrote:
I'm just wondering why some photographers say no escorts; unless its a female escort.

a female cant steal from you?
a female cant hurt you?
a female cant distract from the shoot?

if i was a photographer, i would either allow escorts; or not at all. not discriminate what escorts are ok and which aren't by gender,race, etc.

Oct 13 12 02:11 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DVP Photography
Posts: 2,845
Broomfield, Colorado, US


Two reasons:

A female is less threatening.

Also, even better, about 30% of the time I convert the escort into a llama and do a follow on shoot with her.
Oct 13 12 02:11 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Innovative Imagery
Posts: 2,815
Los Angeles, California, US


Macho guys don't think a girl can beat them up.

I agree with the OP for the most part.  The biggest reason I think we feel "extra" pressure from a guy, is that there is a greater percentage of the time where he is a boyfriend and there will be jealousy and other distracting pressure from him, vs  a friend who happens to be female.
Oct 13 12 02:14 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 11,780
Olivet, Michigan, US


Aly Danielle wrote:
I'm just wondering why some photographers say no escorts; unless its a female escort.

a female cant steal from you?
a female cant hurt you?
a female cant distract from the shoot?

if i was a photographer, i would either allow escorts; or not at all. not discriminate what escorts are ok and which aren't by gender,race, etc.

I allow a female as a second model, if I approve her looks and she's comfortable with what I shoot.  Other than that, it's no escorts.  A female is moderately less likely to be a physical threat, but that's not a big concern anyway.  They are still potentially going to get bored, be a distraction, have other plans, etc.

Oct 13 12 02:19 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Fotografica Gregor
Posts: 4,065
Alexandria, Virginia, US


That is kinda funky if you ask me

I just say *no escort or any other extraneous personnel on my set*  - period.

Your escort can drive you to my studio, can meet me and look around,  then he / she / it / they - whatever - need to find somewhere else to hang around til the shoot is over....

My MUA Hair stylist and wardrobe stylist / designer and any of my photographic assistants should not have to dance around your escort and neither should I....

but then again, if you are asking to bring an escort you would probably not wind up at my studio in the first instance...
Oct 13 12 02:21 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Photos by Lorrin
Posts: 6,903
Eugene, Oregon, US


Another female is usually encouraging and a help with wardrobe and posing.

A male is either a big plus or a big minus.  and some models taste in boyfriends is often horrible.

I have had male friends of models be ex-cons and drug dealers.
Oct 13 12 02:26 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
AJScalzitti
Posts: 12,194
Atlanta, Georgia, US


No idea, no escort is no escort as far as I am concerned.
Oct 13 12 02:31 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
PhotographybyT
Posts: 7,596
Monterey, California, US


Aly Danielle wrote:
if i was a photographer, i would either allow escorts; or not at all. not discriminate what escorts are ok and which aren't by gender,race, etc.

That's all and good and no one should dictate how you conduct your business... while at the same rate, you shouldn't really care how others conduct theirs either.

That said, a few reasons why photographers might prefer a female escort to a male escort might be:

1) Less chance of the female escort being the model's bf.
2) In general, females are less intimidating to other people who might be on set/location.
3) I could probably outrun a female as opposed a male escort! (lol...just a joke)

Oct 13 12 02:37 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Angela Perez
Posts: 340
Orlando, Florida, US


DVP Photography wrote:
Two reasons:

A female is less threatening.

Also, even better, about 30% of the time I convert the llama herder into a model and do a follow on shoot with her.

I assure you some females are not less threatening say that to those females in prison.

Oct 13 12 02:40 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Aly Catt
Posts: 402
Oneonta, New York, US


PhotographybyT wrote:

That's all and good and no one should dictate how you conduct your business... while at the same rate, you shouldn't really care how others conduct theirs either.

That said, a few reasons why photographers might prefer a female escort to a male escort might be:

1) Less chance of the female escort being the model's bf.
2) In general, females are less intimidating to other people who might be on set/location.
3) I could probably outrun a female as opposed a male escort! (lol...just a joke)

i dont care.... as i dont bring escorts at all.
as i said...i was just wondering why photographers do this.

Oct 13 12 02:41 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Angela Perez
Posts: 340
Orlando, Florida, US


Lorin Edmonds wrote:
Another female is usually encouraging and a help with wardrobe and posing.

A male is either a big plus or a big minus.  and some models taste in boyfriends is often horrible.

I have had male friends of models be ex-cons and drug dealers.

Because females can't be ex-cons or drug dealers lol

My opinion is you either allow escorts or you don't.It  That whole only females comes across as sexist and macho to me. But to each their own.

Oct 13 12 02:42 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Charger Photography
Posts: 1,701
San Antonio, Texas, US


DVP Photography wrote:
Two reasons:

A female is less threatening.

Also, even better, about 30% of the time I convert the escort into a model and do a follow on shoot with her.

+10000

Oct 13 12 02:45 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
J Welborn
Posts: 2,552
Clarksville, Tennessee, US


Lorin Edmonds wrote:
Another female is usually encouraging and a help with wardrobe and posing.

A male is either a big plus or a big minus.  and some models taste in boyfriends is often horrible.

I have had male friends of models be ex-cons and drug dealers.

My experience exactly ----

Oct 13 12 02:46 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
J Welborn
Posts: 2,552
Clarksville, Tennessee, US


I have also had females who were just as jealous as male llama herders ----

If you don't have either the problem is solved
Oct 13 12 02:47 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Charger Photography
Posts: 1,701
San Antonio, Texas, US


the girl in the back.. was her llama herder... during the shoot she asked when I could shoot with her, too.. I told her right now.
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Oct 13 12 02:48 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Aly Catt
Posts: 402
Oneonta, New York, US


if the main concern is the male escort being the models boyfriend....isnt it easier just to say "no significant others"?

and what if the male escort she wants to bring is gay....

and what if the female escort you approve of is her lesbian lover?
Oct 13 12 02:48 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jay Farrell
Posts: 12,987
Nashville, Tennessee, US


I wouldn't care the gender, my policy is the same.
Oct 13 12 02:55 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
John Jebbia
Posts: 27,608
Phoenix, Arizona, US


DVP Photography wrote:
Also, even better, about 30% of the time I convert the llama herder into a model and do a follow on shoot with her.

I hate this justification. Your attention should be focused on the model you booked. Not distracted by how to get her friend too.

Oct 13 12 02:55 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Angela Perez
Posts: 340
Orlando, Florida, US


John Jebbia wrote:

I hate this justification. Your attention should be focused on the model you booked. Not distracted by how to get her friend too.

+1

Oct 13 12 02:58 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Angela Perez
Posts: 340
Orlando, Florida, US


Jay Farrell wrote:
I wouldn't care the gender, my policy is the same.

+1

Oct 13 12 02:58 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Orca Bay Images
Posts: 32,233
Lodi, California, US


Aly Danielle wrote:
I'm just wondering why some photographers say no escorts; unless its a female escort.

a female cant steal from you?
a female cant hurt you?
a female cant distract from the shoot?

if i was a photographer, i would either allow escorts; or not at all. not discriminate what escorts are ok and which aren't by gender,race, etc.

I generally don't work with escorts, but when I do (almost always low-priority shoots I can afford to lose), I don't discriminate. I just tell the model no BF or Daddy. Sometimes I don't even specify that. I just ask that the escort sit in an adjacent room.

One of the worst escorts I ever dealt with was the sister of a girl paying for a high school senior portrait shoot. The sister, jealous of the attention, would wait until I was ready to shoot and then do her best to break her sister up in laughter or just distract her. Every time. I put up with that as best I could -- the girl had paid for the shoot -- but I finally had enough and asked her very firmly to stop it. The sister terminated the shoot. She just told the younger sister she was done.

I also lost a reflector at that shoot.

Oct 13 12 03:01 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Andrew Thomas Evans
Posts: 23,846
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US


I've had the same luck with 3somes either way, so it really dosent matter what gender the escort is.



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Oct 13 12 03:04 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
P I X I E
Posts: 35,267
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


lol at the stereotyping...
Oct 13 12 03:15 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Camerosity
Posts: 5,022
Saint Louis, Missouri, US


I don't disallow male escorts. I now strongly discourage a boyfriend or a "manager" as an escort - to the point of canceling shoots. I've never had a problem with a husband as an escort, and some of them have been quite helpful.

As far as I can tell, the function or a manager, once the model and I have selected wardrobe, is to tell the model that she looks awful in it. (For the past several months, in most cases wardrobe has been selected by the model and me in advance of the shoot.)

Of course a boyfriend can perform that function as well - but I've never had a manager (or a husband or a female escort) scream at the model during a shoot. I've had three boyfriends do that in the past year.

The first time the model ran to the dressing room in tears. The second time the model walked out the door in tears, got in her car and left (and left her boyfriend stranded at the studio). The third time, a few weeks ago, the boyfriend and the model yelled at each other for 20 minutes until she sent him packing, and then the shoot continued.

Of course all three models assured me that their boyfriends were nice guys who were only there for the models' protection...

Oh, btw, I know photographers who have had boyfriends pull knives on them.

Sorry for the "stereotyping."
Oct 13 12 03:34 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Angela Perez
Posts: 340
Orlando, Florida, US


It's kind of stupid when I hear people say I don't allow male escorts for my protection but allow female escorts if you want to be protected you should just not allow any type of escort regardless of gender. A female can as easily pull out a gun on you. The stereotype that females are somewhat less dangerous it's ridiculous in this thread.
Oct 13 12 03:39 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Camerosity
Posts: 5,022
Saint Louis, Missouri, US


Angela Perez wrote:
It's kind of stupid when I hear people say I don't allow male llama herders for my protection but allow female llama herders if you want to be protected you should just not allow any type of llama herder regardless of gender. A female can as easily pull out a gun on you. The stereotype that females are somewhat less dangerous it's ridiculous in this thread.

Oh, I'm sure females can be just as jealous and volatile as males - even more so in some cases. To my knowledge only one model brought a female llama herder who was her SO - and the SO stood around and talked to me for half an hour after the shoot. Go figure.

Enjoyed your latest tutorial on extractions.

Oct 13 12 03:48 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Rich Burroughs
Posts: 3,257
Portland, Oregon, US


Aly Danielle wrote:
I'm just wondering why some photographers say no escorts; unless its a female escort.

a female cant steal from you?
a female cant hurt you?
a female cant distract from the shoot?

if i was a photographer, i would either allow escorts; or not at all. not discriminate what escorts are ok and which aren't by gender,race, etc.

The two times I've done shoots where I allowed escorts they were both females, and those shoots are what led me to stop saying yes to it. So I'm with you here.

Oct 13 12 03:55 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
M Pandolfo Photography
Posts: 12,113
Tampa, Florida, US


Aly Danielle wrote:
I'm just wondering why some photographers say no llama herders; unless its a female llama herder.

a female cant steal from you?
a female cant hurt you?
a female cant distract from the shoot?

if i was a photographer, i would either allow llama herders; or not at all. not discriminate what llama herders are ok and which aren't by gender,race, etc.

Because they simply don't want any other males in their territory. They want the model all to themselves and feel threatened, or at least self-conscious, with another male prowling their turf and eyeing their behavior and THEIR model.

Having an extra female, whatever she calls herself, is just a bonus to them. The more the merrier.

Oct 13 12 03:56 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
SweetGirlyGirl2
Posts: 52
Augusta, Georgia, US


I've used both. Male & female, but not because I felt the need for one, I just knew I would need their help.
And that's what they were. A huge help, rather than a problem
Oct 13 12 04:12 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Eridu
Posts: 623
Boston, Massachusetts, US


AJScalzitti wrote:
No idea, no escort is no escort as far as I am concerned.

+1

Oct 13 12 04:21 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Eastfist
Posts: 3,497
Green Bay, Wisconsin, US


Aly Danielle wrote:
I'm just wondering why some photographers say no escorts; unless its a female escort.

a female cant steal from you?
a female cant hurt you?
a female cant distract from the shoot?

if i was a photographer, i would either allow escorts; or not at all. not discriminate what escorts are ok and which aren't by gender,race, etc.

+100

Oct 13 12 04:23 pm  Link  Quote 
Artist/Painter
aquarelle
Posts: 1,907
Chicago, Illinois, US


Call it stereotyping if you want to, but this is from my own experience:

The two times I allowed male escorts anywhere near the premises, the models were noticeably inhibited, in two ways-- concerned about what the escort would think about the artwork we were creating, and concerned about the time we were taking.  The males were out in the hall or down the street calling, texting "how much longer," "when are you gonna be done," etc.

Never had that happen with female escorts. Not only were they encouraging and helpful, on three of four occasions that the model brought a female with her, her escort agreed to pose as well.  Two of the escorts had never posed nude before.

Male escorts?   No thanks.

Female escorts?  Bring 'em on!
Oct 13 12 04:23 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Engage Photography
Posts: 30
Denver, Colorado, US


I've never understood the argument no escorts unless it's a female either. The entire reason most photographers don't like escorts is because they potentially distract the model, wander around taking your focus away from the shoot or could steal something. A woman escort fits all three of those in my book.
Oct 13 12 04:25 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Karl Philip Duarte
Posts: 133
Montreal, Quebec, Canada


Hmmmm I guess are not real pros  at my shoots I have my team there plus clients and makeup so an escort is irelevant even on the nude shoots I do....hmmm what are you all afraid of....Does this mean you want to be alone with the model, what purpose does this give you, is making the model unconfortable you way, what if it is a male model , are no escorts allowed as well.

Please explain your rational for no escorts, please rememebr I have been shooting professionally for 30 yrs and have severl nude books and major nude exhibits undermy belt......

Thanks
Oct 13 12 04:25 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Eridu
Posts: 623
Boston, Massachusetts, US


There are many women out there-potentially even more lethal than a former Special Forces Member-and for once, I'm not talking solely about my ex Wife..emphasis on solely.
Oct 13 12 04:26 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Orca Bay Images
Posts: 32,233
Lodi, California, US


Angela Perez wrote:
The stereotype that females are somewhat less dangerous it's ridiculous in this thread.

No, it's not. Either sex can pull a gun, but usually only the male poses the potential of an unarmed physical threat.

Oct 13 12 04:29 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Orca Bay Images
Posts: 32,233
Lodi, California, US


Karl Philip Duarte  wrote:
Hmmmm I guess are not real pros  at my shoots I have my team there plus clients and makeup so an llama herder is irelevant even on the nude shoots I do....hmmm what are you all afraid of....Does this mean you want to be alone with the model, what purpose does this give you, is making the model unconfortable you way,

Cut the white-knighting.

Not afraid. Annoyed at the disruptions some llama herders have created. Annoyed at the loss of equipment when the only unoccupied hands at the shoot were those of the llama herder. Annoyed at having to brace for not only the model cancelling for her own reasons, but also cancelling if the llama herder bails.

I don't need to be alone with the model. I'm fine with having other people there as long as those people are part of the shoot and behave accordingly. Other models awaiting their turn in a multi-model shoot have never gotten out of line in my shoots. Hair and MUAs, if they pipe up at all, do so for the benefit of the shoot. llama herders have occasionally been helpful, but more often than not they've run roughshod over the shoot. And when I told them to cool it they get miffed and throw an even bigger wrench into the shoot.

what if it is a male model , are no llama herders allowed as well.

Yes. A male model can be just as distracted by an intrusive llama herder as a female model can.

Please explain your rational for no llama herders, please rememebr I have been shooting professionally for 30 yrs and have severl nude books and major nude exhibits undermy belt......

There are plenty of llama herder threads for you to browse. Do your own damned homework.

Oct 13 12 04:43 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ChanStudio
Posts: 9,158
Alpharetta, Georgia, US


Sweet_Nikki  wrote:
I've used both. Male
Oct 13 12 04:48 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Orca Bay Images
Posts: 32,233
Lodi, California, US


Michael Pandolfo wrote:

Because they simply don't want any other males in their territory. They want the model all to themselves and feel threatened, or at least self-conscious, with another male prowling their turf and eyeing their behavior and THEIR model.

Having an extra female, whatever she calls herself, is just a bonus to them. The more the merrier.

roll

Oct 13 12 04:51 pm  Link  Quote 
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