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The Trousseau
Posts: 469
Alameda, California, US


Okay, I know. Some of you hate escorts, and you have good reasons.  I know that I have found two of them that just drove me nuts.  On the other hand, they are always welcome at our shoots, for our own reasons.  This is not to take away from the problems of escorts, but to celebrate those who get it right and end up being assets to the shoot: 
   
Like the husband that patiently sat, silently, until I invited him to put on a tux and then become the "boy toy" of his wife and gorgeous hair dresser/model-- he was a delight!.  And the mom, who used to model with all the best, across Europe and New York, who gave reasonable and helpful suggestions to her daughter and otherwise kept out of the way, and the boyfriend, who took his computer into the kitchen and wasn't seen again until the end of the shoot, and the family of the very young model who was just giddy to be able to watch the young lady learn a few tips and tricks, and the other family, who carried, drove helped with hair and make up... 

Good escorts, I salute you.
Oct 13 12 07:57 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
broken down
Posts: 163
Seneca, South Carolina, US


I just have to say Thank you! So refreshing to see something positive on here without people being rude. Great to see somebody that's glass half full smile
Oct 13 12 08:03 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jouissance Images
Posts: 744
Bloomington, Minnesota, US


With one or two exceptions, I too have had generally good luck with escorts. There was one case of theft (a cased pistol I kept in the room the model changed in) and another in which a boyfriend leaned on me after the fact for taking pictures he thought were too revealing. Not bad over several hundred shoots.
Oct 13 12 08:04 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Bilsen Galleries
Posts: 368
CORTLANDT MANOR, New York, US


I'm down with this for the most part.

I allow escorts with certain limitations ( in my profile ) and most have been either helpful or nonintrusive.  Just one stage mom had me offer to stop the shoot, then she went and sat in the car.
Oct 13 12 08:05 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Brian T Rickey
Posts: 4,004
Saint Louis, Missouri, US


I do not know much of this escort thing you speak of.

But I wish you well.
Oct 13 12 08:07 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Eridu
Posts: 623
Boston, Massachusetts, US


"The TogFather:"


I too did not approve of this Escort thing, for years, I gave my models extra (prints, socks, food, whateva) so they would not bring the esorts. But, when a qualified model who gets hundreds of dollars an hour offers to shoot with me for free but also says she will not come without an escort, how can it be refused?

In my studio, we would keep the escorts amongst the boyfriends, the sluggos and the suitcase pimps; they're supercargo anyway so let them lose their esteem. Never children as escorts or, children without escorts..that is an infamnia.
Oct 14 12 01:00 am  Link  Quote 
Model
IDiivil
Posts: 3,910
Burbank, California, US


I got a good story!

Model Laura Unbound accompanied me in Toronto to hang out while I shot with Neil Snape.

We got a sexy shot together, she and I ;P
http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pi … 8#29374558
Oct 14 12 01:34 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ThriftyPhoto
Posts: 21
Kitchener, Ontario, Canada


I've had great luck with models being escorted.  I had one that was a former model that really helped her pose as well.

The only bad was the impatient one who kept pacing and walking in front of my off-camera flash.
Oct 14 12 06:16 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
GoldRoseMedia
Posts: 2,934
NORTH BRUNSWICK, New Jersey, US


IDiivil wrote:
I got a good story!

Model Laura Unbound accompanied me in Toronto to hang out while I shot with Neil Snape.

We got a sexy shot together, she and I ;P
http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pi … 8#29374558

Ah, well see, that's the reason why some photographers say that female escorts are welcome!

Oct 14 12 06:22 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
pullins photography
Posts: 5,876
Troy, Michigan, US


The Trousseau wrote:
Okay, I know. Some of you hate escorts, and you have good reasons.  I know that I have found two of them that just drove me nuts.  On the other hand, they are always welcome at our shoots, for our own reasons.  This is not to take away from the problems of escorts, but to celebrate those who get it right and end up being assets to the shoot: 
   
Like the husband that patiently sat, silently, until I invited him to put on a tux and then become the "boy toy" of his wife and gorgeous hair dresser/model-- he was a delight!.  And the mom, who used to model with all the best, across Europe and New York, who gave reasonable and helpful suggestions to her daughter and otherwise kept out of the way, and the boyfriend, who took his computer into the kitchen and wasn't seen again until the end of the shoot, and the family of the very young model who was just giddy to be able to watch the young lady learn a few tips and tricks, and the other family, who carried, drove helped with hair and make up... 

Good escorts, I salute you.

Honestly, all you've done is encourage bad behavior. So what they "kept" quiet...why are these people involved in the model's business? Whether or not they're "quiet" or not, a chaperone is still a chaperone.

Oct 14 12 06:26 am  Link  Quote 
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The Signature Image
Posts: 12,055
Gorham, Maine, US


The word "escort" as regards photography is a misnomer.

The correct word is "bodyguard." I am insulted that a person thinks they need a bodyguard in order to work with me.

I will change my mind when models begin taking their boyfriends to work with them.
Oct 14 12 06:30 am  Link  Quote 
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MesmerEyes Photography
Posts: 2,843
Tyler, Texas, US


There are good escorts out there but one bad apple makes the whole lot go bad in a lot of photographers' minds. It was escorting a model, yes she was my girlfriend/fiance at the time, that got me started down the path of photography (besides taking and developing B&W in scouts). I would in most cases help in some way if asked, holding reflectors, helping set up lights, ect...   Now I'm the "director". Feels much better to be behind the camera.
Oct 14 12 06:36 am  Link  Quote 
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Garry k
Posts: 26,772
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


I shoot a fair number of underage fashion models

so its sort of expected that a parent ( sometimes a grandparent or older sibling ) comes along

yesterday I shot with a phenomenal 16 yr old and her father came along

Dad was an interesting fellow ...He had started working part time at Macdonalds as a teen , and then as a young adult had worked his way up their corporate ladder , and he presently owned 2 of their franchises ..but the interesing thing he told me is that he had been eating their food everyday for the past 35 yrs ... and he looked fit and healthy ( I am still thinking about that )
Oct 14 12 06:54 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Al Cooley Photography
Posts: 450
Allendale, Michigan, US


The Trousseau wrote:
Okay, I know. Some of you hate escorts, and you have good reasons.  I know that I have found two of them that just drove me nuts.  On the other hand, they are always welcome at our shoots, for our own reasons.  This is not to take away from the problems of escorts, but to celebrate those who get it right and end up being assets to the shoot: 
   
Like the husband that patiently sat, silently, until I invited him to put on a tux and then become the "boy toy" of his wife and gorgeous hair dresser/model-- he was a delight!.  And the mom, who used to model with all the best, across Europe and New York, who gave reasonable and helpful suggestions to her daughter and otherwise kept out of the way, and the boyfriend, who took his computer into the kitchen and wasn't seen again until the end of the shoot, and the family of the very young model who was just giddy to be able to watch the young lady learn a few tips and tricks, and the other family, who carried, drove helped with hair and make up... 

Good escorts, I salute you.

+++!

Oct 14 12 07:02 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
The Signature Image
Posts: 12,055
Gorham, Maine, US


Garry k wrote:
I shoot a fair number of underage fashion models

so its sort of expected that a parent ( sometimes a grandparent or older sibling ) comes along

yesterday I shot with a phenomenal 16 yr old and her father came along

Dad was an interesting fellow ...He had started working part time at Macdonalds as a teen , and then as a young adult had worked his way up their corporate ladder , and he presently owned 2 of their franchises ..but the interesing thing he told me is that he had been eating their food everyday for the past 35 yrs ... and he looked fit and healthy ( I am still thinking about that )

Well good for you. I do not know of a responsible photographer who does not require an adult on site when shooting an underage model.

My point remains the same: Escort is a gentle word for bodyguard.

Oct 14 12 07:07 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
CAG Photography
Posts: 175
Corpus Christi, Texas, US


I have had good experiences with escorts.  From posing suggestions to wardrobe and lack thereof.
Oct 14 12 07:09 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Stephen Dawson
Posts: 29,246
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


I did one shoot with a young model who hoped to catch on with an agency.

Mom just sat off to the side until we were finishing. Then she spoke up and asked her daughter if she didn't need some topless photos.

Daughter just went .... mommmmm!

Which I was quite happy about since model was 6 months shy of her 18th.
Oct 14 12 08:31 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
SPRINGHEEL
Posts: 38,023
Gibraltar, Michigan, US


Thats nice
Oct 14 12 08:32 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
SPV Photo
Posts: 763
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


I have no problems with llama herders, but I put them to work!
Oct 14 12 10:05 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ChanStudio - OtherSide
Posts: 5,312
Alpharetta, Georgia, US


The Trousseau wrote:
Okay, I know. Some of you hate escorts, and you have good reasons.  I know that I have found two of them that just drove me nuts.  On the other hand, they are always welcome at our shoots, for our own reasons.  This is not to take away from the problems of escorts, but to celebrate those who get it right and end up being assets to the shoot: 
   
Like the husband that patiently sat, silently, until I invited him to put on a tux and then become the "boy toy" of his wife and gorgeous hair dresser/model-- he was a delight!.  And the mom, who used to llama with all the best, across Europe and New York, who gave reasonable and helpful suggestions to her daughter and otherwise kept out of the way, and the boyfriend, who took his computer into the kitchen and wasn't seen again until the end of the shoot, and the family of the very young llama who was just giddy to be able to watch the young lady learn a few tips and tricks, and the other family, who carried, drove helped with hair and make up... 

Good escorts, I salute you.

Glad to hear you having great outcome.. smile

Oct 14 12 01:23 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
IDiivil
Posts: 3,910
Burbank, California, US


GoldRoseMedia wrote:

Ah, well see, that's the reason why some photographers say that female escorts are welcome!

Haha, well, it helps she's also an experienced nude model!

Oct 14 12 01:57 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Lovely Day Media
Posts: 3,792
Vineland, New Jersey, US


The Signature Image wrote:
The word "escort" as regards photography is a misnomer.

The correct word is "bodyguard." I am insulted that a person thinks they need a bodyguard in order to work with me.

I will change my mind when models begin taking their boyfriends to work with them.

+1!  My mind will change when women start bringing their boyfriends/others to doctor appointments (especially OB/Gyn visits), work, stores and anywhere else they go outside their homes.

Oct 14 12 02:02 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jason Bassett
Posts: 2,331
Hollywood, Florida, US


no escorts here, unless it's another beautiful naked llama.
Oct 14 12 02:14 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Isis22
Posts: 2,315
Muncie, Indiana, US


Lovely Day Media wrote:

+1!  My mind will change when women start bringing their boyfriends/others to doctor appointments (especially OB/Gyn visits), work, stores and anywhere else they go outside their homes.

I don't drive so I usually have a "driver" take me to shoots. I also have them take me to the gyno, stores, etc. It's not all that unusual.

For the record, my drivers have been put to work when they have made it into the shoot. On occasion I have refused to have them step inside. There are some things I just don't want neighors/friends seeing!

Oct 14 12 02:32 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Lovely Day Media
Posts: 3,792
Vineland, New Jersey, US


Isis22 wrote:
I don't drive so I usually have a "driver" take me to shoots. I also have them take me to the gyno, stores, etc. It's not all that unusual.

For the record, my drivers have been put to work when they have made it into the shoot. On occasion I have refused to have them step inside. There are some things I just don't want neighors/friends seeing!

For me, there is a vast difference between a "driver" and a "bodyguard".  A driver provides transportation and is necessary for a person to get to the location if the model doesn't have a car and the shoot isn't in their backyard.  A bodyguard is someone who protects someone from bodily harm when someone expects to be bodily harmed. 

  I'm shooting pictures ... not bullets.  I'm meeting people mostly in open and public places.  I'm not shooting nudes (not that it matters).  Why is a "bodyguard" necessary?

Oct 14 12 02:47 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jerry Nemeth
Posts: 26,871
Dearborn, Michigan, US


IDiivil wrote:
I got a good story!

Model Laura Unbound accompanied me in Toronto to hang out while I shot with Neil Snape.

We got a sexy shot together, she and I ;P
http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pi … 8#29374558

She was a companion not an escort.

Oct 14 12 03:16 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jerry Nemeth
Posts: 26,871
Dearborn, Michigan, US


All the models that I have photographed have never required an escort.
Oct 14 12 03:18 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Image K
Posts: 23,363
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Isis22 wrote:
I don't drive so I usually have a "driver" take me to shoots. I also have them take me to the gyno, stores, etc. It's not all that unusual.

For the record, my drivers have been put to work when they have made it into the shoot. On occasion I have refused to have them step inside. There are some things I just don't want neighors/friends seeing!

Photographers that do not allow llama herders have no problems with a "driver".

Oct 14 12 03:20 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Image K
Posts: 23,363
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Jerry Nemeth wrote:

She was a companion not an escort.

Yep.

There is a difference.

Oct 14 12 03:20 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
salvatori.
Posts: 3,714
State College, Pennsylvania, US


So when a photographer starts allowing escorts, how do ya know what kind ya gonna get?

Kinda like hearing your neighbor got drunk at the bar and drove home without getting caught or getting into an accident. It's not going to make me change my mind - drinking and driving is still stoopid......

O_o
Oct 14 12 03:21 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jerry Nemeth
Posts: 26,871
Dearborn, Michigan, US


Image K wrote:
Photographers that do not allow http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ca/88-90_Ford_Escort_Wagon.jpg/120px-88-90_Ford_Escort_Wagon.jpgs have no problems with a "driver".

I photographed a model whose boyfriend drove her to the hotel and dropped her off.  smile

Oct 14 12 03:22 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Image K
Posts: 23,363
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


SPV Photo wrote:
I have no problems with escorts, but I put them to work!

That's a great idea...until one of them drops an expensive piece of gear (and won't pay for it), or shatters their kneecap moving/holding something (and sues you)...

Then it's not such a good idea.

Using escorts as free labor is a slippery liability slope.

Oct 14 12 03:23 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
P I X I E
Posts: 35,267
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


I've been a model for a little over 4 years and I never needed an escort, ever. I'm still alive and in one piece.
Oct 14 12 03:23 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Image K
Posts: 23,363
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Bilsen Galleries wrote:
I'm down with this for the most part.

I allow escorts with certain limitations ( in my profile ) and most have been either helpful or nonintrusive.  Just one stage mom had me offer to stop the shoot, then she went and sat in the car.

That's a driver, not an escort.

Oct 14 12 03:25 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
IDiivil
Posts: 3,910
Burbank, California, US


Jerry Nemeth wrote:

She was a companion not an escort.

I guess so. It was also not a requirement on my part - I was staying with her and it was offered that I could bring her along at the time.

Oh well. I tried.

Oct 14 12 03:28 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
M Pandolfo Photography
Posts: 12,113
Tampa, Florida, US


Is this where we post all our escort stories that DIDN'T end poorly?

Then people counter those by posting their nightmare escort stories?

Then we argue back & forth?

Then there are about a page worth of "Hey, if you require escorts then work with photographers who allow them...no need to try to convince others..."

Then someone comments there are 10,000 other threads just like this?

Then someone comments, "Well excuse me but if you have nothing to add then go away"?

Then someone says, "Oh I see...you only want people who agree with you to post?"

Then a model/photographer comments that only pervs would have a problem with escorts?

Then we argue the definition of a bodyguard/escort/assistant/chaperone?

Then we argue about liability?

Then people start hurling personal attacks?

Then the thread gets locked?

Just want to make sure this thread follows the Escort Thread Bylaws.
Oct 14 12 03:29 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Image K
Posts: 23,363
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


The Trousseau wrote:
Okay, I know. Some of you hate escorts, and you have good reasons.  I know that I have found two of them that just drove me nuts.  On the other hand, they are always welcome at our shoots, for our own reasons.  This is not to take away from the problems of escorts, but to celebrate those who get it right and end up being assets to the shoot: 
   
Like the husband that patiently sat, silently, until I invited him to put on a tux and then become the "boy toy" of his wife and gorgeous hair dresser/model-- he was a delight!.  And the mom, who used to model with all the best, across Europe and New York, who gave reasonable and helpful suggestions to her daughter and otherwise kept out of the way, and the boyfriend, who took his computer into the kitchen and wasn't seen again until the end of the shoot, and the family of the very young model who was just giddy to be able to watch the young lady learn a few tips and tricks, and the other family, who carried, drove helped with hair and make up... 

Good escorts, I salute you.

I salute good escorts, as well.

However, for many of us, the potential safety/liability/distraction/theft concerns just aren't worth the risk.

No one has ever claimed that it's not possible to have a positive escort experience. I have had them myself.

Once a photographer has had one or two bad escort experiences, it changes how he/she perceives the issue.

If models can justify the need for escorts after a bad experience with a photographer, she should easily understand why a photographer would stop allowing them after a bad escort experience.

Oct 14 12 03:32 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Fotografica Gregor
Posts: 4,066
Alexandria, Virginia, US


I am glad to see some balance on this topic - indeed, not all escorts are a negative.

I do not mind a model bringing an escort / family member - whatever to a shoot. They are welcome to meet me and my production team, tour the studio, and I will find them a comfy place to wait....

Nonetheless I do not allow escorts to be actually on my set when I am shooting -

We already have a professional wardrobe stylist or designer,  a makeup artist, a hair stylist,  and of course, myself and my model(s) on set -  that is enough to manage.

And perhaps someone's escort will make one or more of my production team people uncomfortable -  I can't have that, as we maintain a focused and professional environment.

For context -  while I encourage my production team to keep an eye out for things that need addressed or adjusted during the shoot, I don't even want to know they are there when I am concentrating....

On a practical basis - the only models who have asked to bring an escort to my shoots have been newbies. I am sure that this is not always the case but it is my experience.  The experienced fashion models I work with do not ask to bring escorts.

I've had a couple show up being driven by a friend or SO - and that is fine -  I like to have the opportunity to meet people.  We've got books and magazines, quiet spaces and comfy chairs and couches for our guests...
Oct 14 12 03:41 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Fotografica Gregor
Posts: 4,066
Alexandria, Virginia, US


P I X I E wrote:
I've been a model for a little over 4 years and I never needed an escort, ever. I'm still alive and in one piece.

... and you are welcome in my studio at any time smile

Oct 14 12 03:44 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DennisRoliffPhotography
Posts: 1,928
Akron, Ohio, US


Michael Pandolfo wrote:
Is this where we post all our escort stories that DIDN'T end poorly?

Then people counter those by posting their nightmare escort stories?

Then we argue back
Oct 14 12 03:45 pm  Link  Quote 
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