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SayCheeZ!

Posts: 20614

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

For the second time in 2 years "Jam on the Dam" was held on Hoover Dam, and I was commissioned to go up in the helicopter to shoot the commemorative photo.

The first time we did it, it was basically a last minute 'off the cuff' idea with only basic planning.  We were able to get a total of 72 vehicles, most coming out from California.

This time it was more thoroughly planned, however the cost of the permits nearly prevented the event from happening.  Among the MANY restrictions and permits, some of them were actually duplicated for whatever reason.

One example:
There is only ONE helicopter company designated to fly close to Hoover Dam.  They do it every day, several times per day.  They already have the specialized permits that allow them to carry on this daily activity, but for the event we had to obtain yet another helicopter permit for the same damned (no pun intended) helicopter!

Liability insurance for myself and the film crew had to be obtained (I guess in case we dropped a lens from the helicopter).

We had to pay overtime rates plus, for 6 off duty officers.  Despite the fact that we hired the cops to escort the vehicles and direct traffic, one of them made a mistake and held 60% of our vehicles on the road going to the dam.  Our helicopter and other permits only allowed us a total of 10 minutes.  The cop blocked our cars for 8 of those minutes.  It was only at the last second that I was able to get a qualifying photo.

Despite the fact that we obtained permits for the film crew, they were not permitted on the dam during the event, despite the fact that under normal conditions people film there often.  They were permitted to film from locations near the dam.  (And a few of them actually did manage to sneak on to get the shots they needed).

We had a total of 120 cars this time, with vehicles coming in from as far away as Alberta and New Jersey.  The Orange Smart Car used in the recent commercials was also brought in and driven in the event.

In any case, it was a lot of dam fun (ok, this time pun intended).  Smart USA is using the image on their websites, prints to participants were distributed, and we're now making plans for our next "Jam" event.


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A sign that I made using the official commemorative photo from the first Jam on the Dam event:
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one of the 'Racing Stripe' that I put on my car:
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.... and of course we had some eye candy!

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Oct 14 12 10:47 am Link

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IrisSwope

Posts: 14857

Dallas, Texas, US

I thought his was ridiculous, until I saw they were all smart cars. Then it's a great idea smile

Oct 14 12 10:53 am Link

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Ken Marcus Studios

Posts: 9420

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

I'm not sure I understand this post . . . .

Are you complaining, bragging, or just showing us that you had a fun day ?

KM

Oct 14 12 10:57 am Link

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Art of the nude

Posts: 12067

Grand Rapids, Michigan, US

Ken Marcus Studios wrote:
I'm not sure I understand this post . . . .

Are you complaining, bragging, or just showing us that you had a fun day ?

KM

I got at least the first two out of it.

Oct 14 12 11:12 am Link

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SayCheeZ!

Posts: 20614

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Ken Marcus Studios wrote:
I'm not sure I understand this post . . . .

Are you complaining, bragging, or just showing us that you had a fun day ?

KM

A little of each.

But it is kind of a caveat to other photographers because I often see posts regariding shooting permits.  It's just kind of to note that sometimes you need much more than a typical permit, and more may be required even after the fact.

It was a fun day, but it wasn't until yesterday that I found out how close we came to the event or just the photo not happening at all (at the last minute)... which is especially troublesome because we already had all of the permits that we were told we had to have, and it took a lot of time, expense, and several meeting with gov't beaureaucrats to get 'em.

Not only that, but a few days AFTER the event was over, we were billed  some extra fees for additional permits that were not originally informed of.  It's like it never ends!

Oct 14 12 11:22 am Link

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American Glamour

Posts: 38813

Detroit, Michigan, US

Ken Marcus Studios wrote:
I'm not sure I understand this post . . . .

Are you complaining, bragging, or just showing us that you had a fun day ?

KM

That he had a fun day that he wanted to complain and brag about.

Kudos for planning a great event whatever you are trying to say.  I didn't know there were that many Smart cars in the whole world.

Oct 14 12 12:11 pm Link

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R A V E N D R I V E

Posts: 15867

New York, New York, US

Ken Marcus Studios wrote:
I'm not sure I understand this post . . . .

Are you complaining, bragging, or just showing us that you had a fun day ?

KM

hahaha, welcome to MM, a decent cordial post confuses the masses

Oct 14 12 12:16 pm Link

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TomFRohwer

Posts: 1601

Hamburg, Hamburg, Germany

SayCheeZ!  wrote:
Liability insurance for myself and the film crew had to be obtained (I guess in case we dropped a lens from the helicopter).

Probably rather in case you drop the helicopter onto someone's head... ;-)

Cute little Smarties by the way.

Oct 14 12 03:35 pm Link