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samlouise
Posts: 30
Newport, Wales, United Kingdom


Ive been reading alot recently in forums on here pp and ps
About photographers complaining of models turning up with scruffy nails make up all over the place , not bringing the right things etc etc, I was jw how would you as a model expect to turn up to a paid shoot looking nothing but ur best ? And secondly do the photographers not check the models profile ?
Ive never turned up in a state wich I wouldnt be impresed with my self I feel im taking a one sided opinion, has any one else have any similar view on model expectations ? What to do , what nots ?
Oct 26 12 04:51 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
S W I N S K E Y
Posts: 24,198
Saint Petersburg, Florida, US


[time out] you're fantastic [ time in]
Oct 26 12 04:52 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Caustic Disco
Posts: 1,737
Maumee, Ohio, US


for paid? hell yeah i'm pulling out all stops.
Oct 26 12 04:52 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ontherocks
Posts: 19,968
Salem, Oregon, US


i'm pleased if a model shows up in perfect condition for a TF shoot but i don't expect them to go crazy with spending just for me. if i'm paying the model then i hope for more. with nails, even just some press-on nails can get the job done fine.
Oct 26 12 04:55 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 11,135
Olivet, Michigan, US


S W I N S K E Y wrote:
[time out] you're fantastic [ time in]

That she is.  Reminds me of the model in my avatar, who was fantastic.

Caustic Disco wrote:
for paid? hell yeah i'm pulling out all stops.

Paid or trade, I do my best.

Oct 26 12 05:09 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
samlouise
Posts: 30
Newport, Wales, United Kingdom


But how would you feel if someone turned up to a shoot esp paid when you think as you look down the lese at chipped nail polish and mascara smudges on there face ? Lol would you turn them away ? I heard one story a girl traveld from manchester to liverpool to get sent away with no travel paid nothing as she wasnt how she was on her pf

twoharts wrote:
i'm pleased if a model shows up in perfect condition for a TF shoot but i don't expect them to go crazy with spending just for me. if i'm paying the model then i hope for more. with nails, even just some press-on nails can get the job done fine.

Oct 26 12 05:11 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Caustic Disco
Posts: 1,737
Maumee, Ohio, US


Art of the nude wrote:
Paid or trade, I do my best.

good smile

Oct 26 12 05:11 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Paolo Diavolo
Posts: 6,978
Martinez, California, US


samlouise wrote:
Ive been reading alot recently in forums on here pp and ps
About photographers complaining of models turning up with scruffy nails make up all over the place , not bringing the right things etc etc
samlouise wrote:
has any one else have any similar view on model expectations ?

apparently a lot lately since you've been reading about it all over.
tongue

i think some level of standard should be expected. but thats why we reference check no?

Oct 26 12 05:16 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 11,135
Olivet, Michigan, US


samlouise wrote:
But how would you feel if someone turned up to a shoot esp paid when you think as you look down the lese at chipped nail polish and mascara smudges on there face ? Lol would you turn them away ? I heard one story a girl traveld from manchester to liverpool to get sent away with no travel paid nothing as she wasnt how she was on her pf

I've never "turned someone away" yet, but I've been pretty unhappy on occasion.  A few times on a trade shoot, and a few on shoots where I paid.  Now, I try and make expectations very clear in advance.  It probably costs me a shoot on occasion, but I'll take that chance.

Oct 26 12 05:17 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
samlouise
Posts: 30
Newport, Wales, United Kingdom


Im glad there are a few like minded people out there as me !
I know it can sound bitchy in the points im trying to make but its like a job if you worked with food for instance and you had a cold youd get sent home as u dont look ur best germs etc and im guessing its sort of similar in a way !
As crazy as it sounds !
Oct 26 12 05:18 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
samlouise
Posts: 30
Newport, Wales, United Kingdom


Paolo Diavolo wrote:

samlouise wrote:
Ive been reading alot recently in forums on here pp and ps
About photographers complaining of models turning up with scruffy nails make up all over the place , not bringing the right things etc etc

apparently a lot lately since you've been reading about it all over.
tongue

-I dont always go via references as there has been times wher I have worked with people and it hasnt gone fantasticly and ive been very bord while they fiddle with cameras wondering why there blowing my hair out lol but I can never bring myself to give them a crap reference id just feel bad , so I leave them a positive ref and lie a little ! So for me I dont go by ref and also whats to say the tog doesnt sort of feel sorry for the model about hurting feelings and either doesnt leave one or just leaves a positive one anyway ?

i think some level of standard should be expected. but thats why we reference check no?

Oct 26 12 05:22 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 11,135
Olivet, Michigan, US


samlouise wrote:
Im glad there are a few like minded people out there as me !
I know it can sound bitchy in the points im trying to make but its like a job if you worked with food for instance and you had a cold youd get sent home as u dont look ur best germs etc and im guessing its sort of similar in a way !
As crazy as it sounds !

What's expected varies with the style, but just the fact that you're thinking about details speaks very well for you.

For example, I'd much rather a model show up with neat nails with clear polish, compared with, say, red nail polish.  For the BW nudes I usually do, red isn't going to look good.

Oct 26 12 05:22 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
samlouise
Posts: 30
Newport, Wales, United Kingdom


Yes maybe a red polish wouldnt look good doing a nude !
My main is french manicured unless its a fashion or latex then itll be wacky and bright
Oct 26 12 05:42 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 11,135
Olivet, Michigan, US


samlouise wrote:
Yes maybe a red polish wouldnt look good doing a nude !
My main is french manicured unless its a fashion or latex then itll be wacky and bright

For full color glamour nudes, it may be fantastic, but for BW art nudes, not so much.

Oct 26 12 05:51 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Isis22
Posts: 439
Muncie, Indiana, US


Art of the nude wrote:
I've never "turned someone away" yet, but I've been pretty unhappy on occasion.  A few times on a trade shoot, and a few on shoots where I paid.  Now, I try and make expectations very clear in advance.  It probably costs me a shoot on occasion, but I'll take that chance.

I always ask what kind of makeup I am expected to be wearing. For a black & white film shoot I was told to wear evening makeup. For an art/gallery shoot they wanted natural makeup. Heck I even ask if they care if I have a bush or not! But, the devil is in the details;)

Oct 26 12 06:15 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 11,135
Olivet, Michigan, US


Art of the nude wrote:
I've never "turned someone away" yet, but I've been pretty unhappy on occasion.  A few times on a trade shoot, and a few on shoots where I paid.  Now, I try and make expectations very clear in advance.  It probably costs me a shoot on occasion, but I'll take that chance.
Isis22 wrote:
I always ask what kind of makeup I am expected to be wearing. For a black & white film shoot I was told to wear evening makeup. For an art/gallery shoot they wanted natural makeup. Heck I even ask if they care if I have a bush or not! But, the devil is in the details;)

We need to shoot!

And, that's one of the details I go over, when relevant.  My standard statement: "Natural is fine, shaved is fine, trimmed is fine.  What's not fine is stubble or razor burn."

I also tell models who are new to lingerie to try it on in front of a mirror before they come to the shoot.

Oct 26 12 06:22 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
RKD Photographic
Posts: 2,989
Iserlohn, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany


I usually hire a MUA even for trade shoots, so as long as the model has clean hair and doesn't smell like she hasn't showered all week, I have no problems...

I want her for how she looks while we're shooting, not how she looks when travelling to and from the studio...
Oct 27 12 03:38 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ph-photo
Posts: 28
London, England, United Kingdom


We are all in this to get the best images we can, it really should make no different if its trade or paid, all that matters is the iamges at the end, and therefore you would surely expect everyone to do the best the can, including arriving with clean nails and the clothing agreed beforehand.

Palle
Oct 27 12 05:26 am  Link  Quote 
Model
samlouise
Posts: 30
Newport, Wales, United Kingdom


Ues ive always double checked and pre warned photographers if theres any change to appearance I dyed my hair red , realised I had a shoot a week after told the tog he wasnt best please so dyed it back blond completly killing my hair just so he was happy ! And that was a part paid tf shoot !
Too all the photographers what is your pet hate about models, looks, communication ?
Also what do you think would make a great shoot ?
Oct 27 12 03:31 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
M Pandolfo Photography
Posts: 11,701
Tampa, Florida, US


Poorly kept nails and 7-11 feet are two of my many pet peeves.
Oct 27 12 03:46 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Isis22
Posts: 439
Muncie, Indiana, US


7-11 feet?
Oct 27 12 03:53 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 11,135
Olivet, Michigan, US


samlouise wrote:
Too all the photographers what is your pet hate about models, looks, communication ?
Also what do you think would make a great shoot ?

Flaking

Changing things in the middle of planning

Drama.

Just figure out what you want to do, and communicate, then follow through.  I don't think that's too much to ask.

Oct 27 12 03:57 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
M Pandolfo Photography
Posts: 11,701
Tampa, Florida, US


Isis22 wrote:
7-11 feet?

The condition that results when females walk into a convenience store barefoot on a regular basis. Dirty, discolored soles of the feet.

This is also known as White Trash Sandals.

Oct 27 12 03:59 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Miroslava Svoboda
Posts: 431
San Francisco, California, US


This thread is like a horror story, seems I never seize to be amazed.

Generally I wouldn't even let myself go to Walmart with chipped nail polish; actually I avoid Walmart like my life depends on it but point is made. Since I began modeling I actually made some changes like removing my acrylic nails, have not cut my hair in a long time in an effort to grow it out faster(frustrates me to no end at times); will most likely stop dying it too.

There is nothing more disappointing than realizing that time has been wasted without good or satisfying results, especially if I could have done better. They say time is money, so even if you don't get paid you still give it your time.
Oct 27 12 04:17 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
bruce blosser
Posts: 289
Mendocino, California, US


or  to put it another  way:


If you don't  care, why the hell bother  even showing up  smile
Oct 27 12 08:19 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Basil Fairbanks Studio
Posts: 47
Chicago, Illinois, US


samlouise wrote:
Ive been reading alot recently in forums on here pp and ps
About photographers complaining of models turning up with scruffy nails make up all over the place , not bringing the right things etc etc, I was jw how would you as a model expect to turn up to a paid shoot looking nothing but ur best ? And secondly do the photographers not check the models profile ?
Ive never turned up in a state wich I wouldnt be impresed with my self I feel im taking a one sided opinion, has any one else have any similar view on model expectations ? What to do , what nots ?

I really cannot add more than what others here have already wrote quite eloquntly. I recently had an experience where the MUA and I gave explicit intructions to the model a few weeks, and then again two days before the shoot, what we would like them to do. In the end though, the model did however they wished instead of what we asked. And even though we had both spent a consider amount of time and money prior to the shoot, and after a good friend, (another professional MUA in the industry), looked over the images I posted, I ultimately removed all them, and then promised my regular MUA we were never going to go through that again. If you don't have the basic respect for yourself to make a minimal effort on your appearance when you show up for a shoot, regardless if it's TF or paid, why would you expect for anyone to take you seriously? Enough said.

Oct 28 12 12:18 am  Link  Quote 
Model
samlouise
Posts: 30
Newport, Wales, United Kingdom


NGrigalunus wrote:

I really cannot add more than what others here have already wrote quite eloquntly. I recently had an experience where the MUA and I gave explicit intructions to the model a few weeks, and then again two days before the shoot, what we would like them to do. In the end though, the model did however they wished instead of what we asked. And even though we had both spent a consider amount of time and money prior to the shoot, and after a good friend, (another professional MUA in the industry), looked over the images I posted, I ultimately removed all them, and then promised my regular MUA we were never going to go through that again. If you don't have the basic respect for yourself to make a minimal effort on your appearance when you show up for a shoot, regardless if it's TF or paid, why would you expect for anyone to take you seriously? Enough said.

Oh god my pet hate people who upload crappy mobile pics and call themselvs a professional model ! They charge 40 pounds a hour when they havent evven a portfolio! It puts a name on the hole model thing as its them deemed not a proper job,not something any one could be good at and have amazing ideas, I didnt even charge anyone untill I worked a years tf and had a vast variety of pics ! Now newbies come on to the scene and get tons of work , when their port is not of a standerd wich could be deemd professional , not even to think about standerds of a shoot they would go to and wich of what they would actually look like!

Oct 28 12 11:12 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ontherocks
Posts: 19,968
Salem, Oregon, US


we have baby wipes on hand for that. although some things can't just be wiped off.

Michael Pandolfo wrote:
The condition that results when females walk into a convenience store barefoot on a regular basis. Dirty, discolored soles of the feet.

Oct 28 12 11:37 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Koryn Locke
Posts: 31,838
Boston, Massachusetts, US


samlouise wrote:
I was jw how would you as a model expect to turn up to a paid shoot looking nothing but ur best ?

Because "your best" is going to mean different things to different people.

I've shot with people who wanted me to wear a full face of flawless, perfectly applied make-up. I've shot with people who requested no make-up at all.  I've shot with a few people who reminded me to shave my legs the day before, and A WHOLE LOT of people who didn't give a hoot about that sort of thing, because it was irrelevant to the subject matter they were trying to capture.

When I traveled for shoots, there were times that I literally slept on people's floors, and times I camped outside because that was the budget I had for the trip, so my available hygiene "facilities" was a gallon jug of water to wash my face with, and the rear-view mirror of a rental car. There are a good many art models who also travel that way. It's not uncommon.

Oct 28 12 12:27 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Lynn Elizabeth
Posts: 1,232
Coral Springs, Florida, US


I generally show up looking pretty rough. No makeup, sweatpants and a big tee shirt. All to avoid lines (since most of my shoots have nude portions) and no makeup as to have a fresh face once the shoot starts. I don't want to drive 2+ hours with makeup on and then just shoot in it all messy. So I feel it's not so much how a model shows up but rather how well they put themselves together once choices on attire and makeup shades are determined.

I would never have chipped nails though!
Oct 28 12 12:59 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 11,135
Olivet, Michigan, US


ShivaKitty wrote:
Because "your best" is going to mean different things to different people.

I've shot with people who wanted me to wear a full face of flawless, perfectly applied make-up. I've shot with people who requested no make-up at all.  I've shot with a few people who reminded me to shave my legs the day before, and A WHOLE LOT of people who didn't give a hoot about that sort of thing, because it was irrelevant to the subject matter they were trying to capture.

When I traveled for shoots, there were times that I literally slept on people's floors, and times I camped outside because that was the budget I had for the trip, so my available hygiene "facilities" was a gallon jug of water to wash my face with, and the rear-view mirror of a rental car. There are a good many art models who also travel that way. It's not uncommon.

.

That's understandable, but it would also be understandable to not pay someone for a half hour or so until they're actually ready to shoot.  Ideally, both parties would communicate.

Oct 28 12 01:01 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
samlouise
Posts: 30
Newport, Wales, United Kingdom


Ive neveer been in a situation like that I had 2 bad experiences when I first started I refuse to stay over night in someqwhere I dont know , generally I like to come home even if it means getting a train at 11 at night and not getting to mine until g am , I do travel far still I go to the isle of wight london kent all a good few hours away , never abroad, I need a passport haha I think if I was to do a tour id pay for accomidation in advance as I would hate to feel uncomfortabel , thats just my views




ShivaKitty wrote:

Because "your best" is going to mean different things to different people.

I've shot with people who wanted me to wear a full face of flawless, perfectly applied make-up. I've shot with people who requested no make-up at all.  I've shot with a few people who reminded me to shave my legs the day before, and A WHOLE LOT of people who didn't give a hoot about that sort of thing, because it was irrelevant to the subject matter they were trying to capture.

When I traveled for shoots, there were times that I literally slept on people's floors, and times I camped outside because that was the budget I had for the trip, so my available hygiene "facilities" was a gallon jug of water to wash my face with, and the rear-view mirror of a rental car. There are a good many art models who also travel that way. It's not uncommon.

Oct 29 12 12:54 am  Link  Quote 
Model
samlouise
Posts: 30
Newport, Wales, United Kingdom


Oh god when I book I always give ten mins at the begining for lighting , to go thru what I bought any adjustmentsetc , that comes off my time, the time starts when I step infront of the camera I wouldnt expect any thing else !
Oct 29 12 12:58 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Koryn Locke
Posts: 31,838
Boston, Massachusetts, US


samlouise wrote:
Ive neveer been in a situation like that I had 2 bad experiences when I first started I refuse to stay over night in someqwhere I dont know , generally I like to come home even if it means getting a train at 11 at night and not getting to mine until g am , I do travel far still I go to the isle of wight london kent all a good few hours away , never abroad, I need a passport haha I think if I was to do a tour id pay for accomidation in advance as I would hate to feel uncomfortabel , thats just my views

Sleeping somewhere I "don't know" wasn't a bad situation. I made some AMAZING friends that way, and realized that you should have faith in strangers on the internet, because the vast majority of them are really great people.

That was just life as a traveling art model.

Ask Laura Unbound. Ask Model Sarah. Ask Indefinite Anomaly. Ask anyone who's traveled and modeled professionally, as an internet-based freelancer, for more than a year or two. Occasionally, you get some really nice accommodations, such as a hotel room -- but, a lot of the time, you're relying on the kindness of people you don't know. A lot of times, you're sleeping on a floor, a fold-out cot, or in a campground. 

It's exciting. It's thrilling. Life's an adventure when you're traveling that way, but it's not luxurious and you have to live humbly and find ways to work with what resources you have available to you.

Oct 29 12 12:18 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Kelleth
Posts: 1,928
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


If there is a team present, you should show up with no makeup on with skin moisturized, hair natural (no product in it) and clothes that are not going to leave crazy marks on your skin, with a shirt that does not need to go over your head to be taken off. Your legs/underarms/etc should be freshly shaved/waxed/whatever (unless you tend to get really red or rashy...then give it some time to heal before the shoot. Your nails should be nicely manicured with either no polish or, at most, a clear or nude colour.

If you were asked to do your own hair and makeup, you should come however you agreed you would come. If you are painting your nails yourself, make sure they are freshly done and that you come with hair and makeup products to touch up your work as you go.

It's surprising how many models show up to shoots not considering any of this.
Oct 29 12 03:21 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
natural beauties of qld
Posts: 1,423
Brisbane, Queensland, Australia


samlouise wrote:
But how would you feel if someone turned up to a shoot esp paid when you think as I heard one story a girl traveld from manchester to liverpool to get sent away with no travel paid nothing as she wasnt how she was on her pf

Sending her away may seem harsh, but "truth in advertising" applies to the model's profile as much as to anything else.

The analogy would be ordering a steak and being served a hamburger - not what was on the menu, so please take it back.

Nov 09 12 04:53 pm  Link  Quote 
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