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Makeup Artist
makeuplacoquette
Posts: 196
Montreal, Quebec, Canada


The whole topic is about hygiene and using other's makeup.
I want to say that I am sorry if I offend anyone with it, it is not intended.

I never really liked sharing anything like drinking glasses/bottles, lip balms and stuff like that. People in my family knows it and they don't bother me with it anymore. It's personnal, I don't know, I don't want herpes and other viruses like that. I like my lips the way they are : clean, no puss and any other ugly looking thing on it.

Since I started in makeup, I've been very carefull with my brushes, I keep a set only for myself, especially anything that touched cream/lip stuff. I am being very carefull when I put makeup on someone who might have herpes/conjunctivitis, well anything I can notice. Not that in other cases I wont be carefull, but I mostly use disposable lip brushes, mascara wands.

Anyway, through the years I've noticed sooooo many makeup artists here and there, who don't really care about these basic hygiene rules. Who will use lipsticks from the shelf (for themselves) or double dipping... I tried approaching them discreetly, they always ALWAYS (all of them, no lying!) answer me : Oh but I spray it with rubbing alcohol.

Is it just me or it doesnt really ensures you that it's totally clean?

A while ago I was in a meeting/workshop with coworkers, and just to make sure I wouldnt have to wear anyone else's lip stuff, I had brought some lipsticks and lip pencils from my personnal stuff. Well, guess what happened? They really got into that idea that I was acting super capricious, I could tell because I've heard some comments o_0

So yeah... I am probably too freaky about it, but I am also pretty sure that I am not alone. Or am I? wink
Oct 28 12 08:44 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Tegan Lynn
Posts: 993
Kitchener, Ontario, Canada


(Sorry, posting from my modelling profile)

I'm super anal about sanitation and hygiene, especially when it comes to my make-up. I think it shows you take your job and your clients health seriously, and are a professional.

People can make nasty comments. Don't listen to them. They're probably just upset that you're making them look bad for not doing their jobs properly. That's not your problem, it's theirs.

As far as non-MUAs go, it's usually ignorance. They may think you're being snooty and ridiculous, often they'll assume you think they themselves are dirty and take it as a personal insult. If you just frankly explain the reasoning behind it, and some of the nasty things that can happen if you don't, I find they quickly shut-up. I usually remind them that it's not always about keeping their germs out, but making sure that no one else's germs come in contact with them. That usually reassures people.
Oct 29 12 09:03 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Jaime Criel Makeup
Posts: 149
New York, New York, US


I see MUA using lipsticks and mascaras right out of the tube without sanitizing all the time..especially veteran MUAs and the big names. I'm really not sure why. It is extremely rare for anything to pass though makeup but it IS possible so better safe than sorry I say. Clients always appreciate when I am overly sanitizing so just do what makes you feel comfortable.
Oct 29 12 09:38 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Kawika Photography
Posts: 110
San Diego, California, US


Professionals don't have a problem discussing what they should do and what differentiates them from non-pros. If they seem offended I'd suggesting leaving because what else are they not talking about?
Oct 29 12 10:10 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Dani Jaye
Posts: 319
Princeton, New Jersey, US


I'm always surprised when a client says either: omg, thank you for using disposables because they've had the experience where an "artist" didn't and they felt too uncomfortable to address the issue OR they've never seen them before ask about them!!!!!!  I'm literally out of mind with surprise/irritation that so called professionals would put their client and reputation at risk with such careless behavior.  I always tell them if they ever find themselves in that situation again, to demand disposables or a brand new product.  If they cannot do either, it's not worth the risk of a bacterial infection and to get out of the chair.
Additionally, if they ever see an artist "blow" on the product or brush to get out of the chair and if not an option, again demand such items be sanitized with alcohol spray or a dedicated cosmetic sanitizer.

Now as for spraying alcohol, it has to be all the way around the lipstick, liner, etc.. which requires multiple sprays and is not ideal, b/c most don't do but only one spray which is careless, IMO.  One of the few things I like about the Mac counter is that they have beakers of 90+% alcohol for dipping the lipstick in for proper sanitation.

For my kit and personal makeup, I rely on "Beauty So Clean" to sanitize after every single use.  I have brushes for just me that are always separated from my kit brushes.  Mind you it took me a year to build up just kit brushes as we all know the cost associated with growing the collection but the peace of mind is so worth it.
Oct 29 12 10:34 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Tegan Lynn
Posts: 993
Kitchener, Ontario, Canada


Dani Jaye MUA wrote:
I'm always surprised when a client says either: omg, thank you for using disposables because they've had the experience where an "artist" didn't and they felt too uncomfortable to address the issue OR they've never seen them before ask about them!!!!!

Same. It seems to be really bad in my area. Most of the models I work with have never seen proper sanitation. I've had one ask me why I'm 'wasting time' using a palette and spatula instead of double dipping. I didn't even know how to respond.

Oct 29 12 10:40 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
M Pandolfo Photography
Posts: 12,113
Tampa, Florida, US


Capricious?

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." - Inigo Montoya
Oct 29 12 10:42 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
makeuplacoquette
Posts: 196
Montreal, Quebec, Canada


Sorry if capricious isnt the right word, english not being my main language, I used a translator. What do you suggest instead?

Thank you guys for replying, I feel better now hahaha

On set I always work with lipsticks from a palette that I've made with crushed lipsticks, you all know how to, right? Anyway, one day I was on a set, with another mua and she asked me why I did this. I explained to her why (while raising an eyebrow, how could she not know?), and she replied to me that she would never do that because she loves her lipsticks (her own she brings on set!!!) too much o_0

So yeah, she double dips, and she also wears those lipsticks on her too.

I must say that Model Mayhem, well people her, helped me a lot when I started, I had so many questions and concerns. Reading all those FAQ's about hygiene and etiquette helped me in many cases.

Keep sharing your stories, love to hear from you guys!
Oct 29 12 11:00 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Dorota MUA
Posts: 82
Leeds, England, United Kingdom


Tegan Lynn wrote:
(Sorry, posting from my modelling profile)

I'm super anal about sanitation and hygiene, especially when it comes to my make-up. I think it shows you take your job and your clients health seriously, and are a professional.

People can make nasty comments. Don't listen to them. They're probably just upset that you're making them look bad for not doing their jobs properly. That's not your problem, it's theirs.

I totally agree...You have to protect your clients, cosmetics, your tools and also your self - keeping strict hygiene routine is the only one way...

personally - I think that even lying down your brushes in row surface, without any brush case/tube is wrong!(I use only brush tubes, as is seems to be more hygienic for me and its saves space) And I've seen a lot Asian MUAs that carrying brushes loose in toolbox (not even fully cleaned!sic! and placed it in row table! recently I've changed my MAC brush cleaner to 99% alcohol because I am using it so much!

I would understand that self-thought MUAs have got lack of knowledge about propper hygiene routine (please don't take it as a excuse...) - What I can't understand is : why a lot make-up curses missing this (or big part of it) and common skin problems!
My foundation course has give me average knowledge about hygiene...but through my experience and gaining knowledge I have realised it wasn't all  - I can't understand how courses can charge money, giving knowledge & training to further MUA and they miss the most important part!!!

Oct 29 12 01:08 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
House of Westenra
Posts: 41
Louisville, Kentucky, US


My main fulltime job (to support my burgeoning MUA alter-ego XD ) is in health care so I am quite anal about sanitation.  I think you have the right to set your boundaries, especially with products that touch people's mouths (Ground Zero of Germ Epi-Center) and anything that is cream to hold moisture and other bacteria.

Btw, I think a good word to use is "pretentious"   smile
Oct 29 12 02:38 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Elizabethmakeup
Posts: 338
Hereford, England, United Kingdom


I agree with the OP re palette and spatula being the best way. I personally don't rate the alcohol sprays and would rather decant what I can and use disposables. Those that try to belittle you and claim that you are wasting your time are clearly upset that you are showing them up, which is their problem not yours. Keep doing what you're doing, safe in the knowledge that your hygiene and sanitation habits are protecting your clients.
Oct 29 12 02:47 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
PaulaMUAH
Posts: 36
Houston, Texas, US


Actually, 70% isopropyl is a better disinfectant. Alcohol works as a disinfectant by denaturing proteins. 99% isopropyl only dries out the bacteria, but doesn't kill it.

I know because my husband is a laboratory scientist.

Heres a few threads from science forums where it is discussed:
http://www.protocol-online.org/biology- … 17193.html
http://www.protocol-online.org/forums/t … infectant/
Nov 01 12 08:20 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ELiffmann
Posts: 1,394
Baton Rouge, Louisiana, US


makeuplacoquette wrote:
Sorry if capricious isnt the right word, english not being my main language, I used a translator. What do you suggest instead?

Thank you guys for replying, I feel better now hahaha

On set I always work with lipsticks from a palette that I've made with crushed lipsticks, you all know how to, right? Anyway, one day I was on a set, with another mua and she asked me why I did this. I explained to her why (while raising an eyebrow, how could she not know?), and she replied to me that she would never do that because she loves her lipsticks (her own she brings on set!!!) too much o_0

So yeah, she double dips, and she also wears those lipsticks on her too.

I must say that Model Mayhem, well people her, helped me a lot when I started, I had so many questions and concerns. Reading all those FAQ's about hygiene and etiquette helped me in many cases.

Keep sharing your stories, love to hear from you guys!

I think "overly-cautious" would be appropriate.  You don't want "pretentious" either.

Nov 01 12 09:21 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Heather J M
Posts: 711
London, England, United Kingdom


While I agree that good hygiene practises are very important to maintain the health of our clients and our reputations, I actually think that you have to still be diplomatic. No matter how discreet you feel you were, offering unsolicited advice to people using makeup testers in shops is unlikely to find very many receptive listeners. Some might think harder about it, but others will just think you are a bit rude for criticizing. Its also rather a different scenario for them to make that decision on their own behalf rather than for a client. Generally, unless someone asks me outright, or is working assisting me, I don't involve myself in advising other people on their hygiene.


Just FYI... wink

OED wrote:
Definition of capricious
adjective

    *
      given to sudden and unaccountable changes of mood or behaviour: a capricious and often brutal administration
    *
      changing according to no discernible rules; unpredictable: a capricious climate

Nov 02 12 02:27 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
makeuplacoquette
Posts: 196
Montreal, Quebec, Canada


I understand this point, but, when these people also are mua's and they might spread some germs on those testers while using them on the customers after, I think it's not that bad when I say something about it.

It's because people don't care and never did that it never will...
Nov 02 12 05:48 pm  Link  Quote 
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