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Orca Bay Images wrote:

Your statement was a declaration of fact, not an opinion. And it was an incredibly ignorant and clueless declaration.

The "N" word has nothing to do with color? The word derives from "negro." Maybe you can get a teacher at school to explain it to you.

Well, only if you believe me, a teacher told me that. So that kind of kills your last statement huh?(:

And She wasn't 100% wrong(only 99...) she said it originally meant lowlife, loser, bottom of society, but it didnt mean black.

Nov 07 12 06:03 pm  Link  Quote 
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Legacys 7 wrote:

Sadly a lot of people are about themselves and only want to be treated right while not treating others the way that they want to be treated. I see this shit often.

The prerequisite of following both rules is empathy. The ability to put yourself in someone else's position, to feel with their plight.

There is a sizable number of people in this world who are type A personalities that have either learned to ignore their empathic personality traits (common among narcissists that make up the bulk of our leaders in politics and business) or they simply don't possess any to begin with (a common sign of psychopathy).

Nov 07 12 06:03 pm  Link  Quote 
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hassanchop wrote:

And this right here is why I think you knew exactly what you were doing.

You came in and took a gigantic dump in the thread ( OMG look at me!!!) and then announced you were leaving.

Trolling.

Because ik people were gunna have a heart attack over it. Seriously are you offended? stop reading. It's not difficult..

Nov 07 12 06:05 pm  Link  Quote 
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I'll never understand why people come into a thread to create one worded posts or comment on things they obviously haven't read through, but hey, thanks for keeping it on the front page with your responses.


I am not one to use the N word, offensively or jokingly, and this thread wasn't started to justify its use. I wrote it to gain an understanding of why people allow it to have such a large impact and a lot of people have replied wonderfully, explaining to me how it is still a huge part of American culture. Thank you for that. I really do appreciate the explanation for black people using it to lessen the power it has on them, and that does make sense to me.
Obviously it's different to the Australian Aboriginal situation, as they've lost complete power and it's unfortunately true to say that they will most likely never be able to regain that lost culture, even after Kevin Rudd announced on behalf of Australia that he was 'Sorry', in 2007. The situation with Australia's Aboriginal heritage is probably more closely matched to Americans Native Indian heritage, but we don't have a thanks giving holiday or anything like that to remember our past by.

Also, again, I apologize on behalf of the girl who keeps digging her hole deeper, but hate a little less on her. I'm sure she doesn't mean to cause as much drama as she actually is.
Nov 07 12 06:08 pm  Link  Quote 
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T wrote:

Feel free to use the word anytime you like.

Just like these folks.

http://jezebel.com/5958490/twitter-raci … /gallery/1

Did anyone once say they Used the word?? No. THAT was an ignorant assumption.

I was simply trying to understand it. But I think ill need more psychology rather than public opinion for that.

Nov 07 12 06:08 pm  Link  Quote 
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Presley ONeil wrote:

Did anyone once say they Used the word?? No. THAT was an ignorant assumption.

I was simply trying to understand it. But I think ill need more psychology rather than public opinion for that.

Can you read? Speaking of ignorant.

Nov 07 12 06:10 pm  Link  Quote 
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Presley ONeil wrote:

Because ik people were gunna have a heart attack over it. Seriously are you offended? stop reading. It's not difficult..

Thank you for admitting that you were trolling.

So how is that negative attention seeking working out for you?

Seriously little girl I think you should spend more time hitting the books and less time online. You have a lot to learn about life.

Nov 07 12 06:11 pm  Link  Quote 
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hygvhgvkhy
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T wrote:

Can you read? Speaking of ignorant.

Yes I can is there a reason you'd think I can't?

Nov 07 12 06:13 pm  Link  Quote 
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Presley ONeil wrote:

Well, only if you believe me, a teacher told me that. So that kind of kills your last statement huh?(:

And She wasn't 100% wrong(only 99...) she said it originally meant lowlife, loser, bottom of society, but it didnt mean black.

you shouldn't believe everything teachers tell you.

Nov 07 12 06:13 pm  Link  Quote 
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Presley ONeil wrote:

Well, only if you believe me, a teacher told me that. So that kind of kills your last statement huh?(:

And She wasn't 100% wrong(only 99...) she said it originally meant lowlife, loser, bottom of society, but it didnt mean black.

Blame the ignorance on your teacher if you want. Your teacher's dead wrong. And if your teacher is the source of your information, you're in no position to judge if she's correct or not.

http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/f … msb_nword/

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nigger

Nov 07 12 06:14 pm  Link  Quote 
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The USA has a huge and painful history of racism. They went to civil war over it. They still are dealing with the consequences. That word is taboo there not because what it means now for some people in some places, but because of what it means to them historically.
Nov 07 12 06:15 pm  Link  Quote 
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Damon Banner
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Don't use the word


/your friendly neighborhood black folk
Nov 07 12 06:15 pm  Link  Quote 
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T
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Presley ONeil wrote:

Yes I can is there a reason you'd think I can't?

Take pretty pictures, read and learn. Best thing I can say to you, not going to argue with a little girl.

Nov 07 12 06:15 pm  Link  Quote 
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Orca Bay Images
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Just stop posting, child.
Nov 07 12 06:15 pm  Link  Quote 
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Presley ONeil wrote:
Did anyone once say they Used the word?? No. THAT was an ignorant assumption.

I was simply trying to understand it. But I think ill need more psychology rather than public opinion for that.

You said that it was "over (pretty much)"... it isn't over.

It isn't at all close to over.

It may not be as common as it was say in the 1950's or 1960's but it definitely isn't over, and for the intended purpose, it is still very much a highly charged racist word... it is a word meant to immediately convey hate and superiority (or that the person it is being said to is someone who is inferior, weak, owned, insignificant, etc.)

Clearly you should discount everything that teacher told you and spend some time to learn for yourself the true vile history of the word and how it is still being used as racial hate in a neatly wrapped single word.

This should be a great life lesson that there are times to simply shut your mouth, keep quiet, and learn from others... EVEN if you think you are 100% right and have nothing to learn, it is a wise person who takes every opportunity to expand their knowledge and learn, instead of believing they know it all (at any age.).

Nov 07 12 06:17 pm  Link  Quote 
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Orca Bay Images wrote:

Blame the ignorance on your teacher if you want. Your teacher's dead wrong. And if your teacher is the source of your information, you're in no position to judge if she's correct or not.

http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/f … msb_nword/

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nigger

Frightening to think of how many young minds that teacher will pollute with falsehoods and misinformation over the course of his/her career. Thankfully every kid today can use google and wikipedia, might spend 30 minutesa day on that instead of facebook and TMZ and they'll be well informed adults in a few years.

Nov 07 12 06:21 pm  Link  Quote 
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Katarina N. wrote:

Frightening to think of how many young minds that teacher will pollute with falsehoods and misinformation over the course of his/her career. Thankfully every kid today can use google and wikipedia, might spend 30 minutesa day on that instead of facebook and TMZ and they'll be well informed adults in a few years.

Or maybe if young minds had good parenting. That word was never used in my house and if it had ever crossed my lips I would have been smacked six ways from Sunday.

Nov 07 12 06:25 pm  Link  Quote 
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Damon Banner wrote:

you shouldn't believe everything teachers tell you.

took the words straight out of my mouth.

Nov 07 12 06:25 pm  Link  Quote 
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Presley ONeil wrote:
She wasn't 100% wrong(only 99...) she said it originally meant lowlife, loser, bottom of society, but it didnt mean black.

While I *could* be wrong, I don't think I am wrong saying that she is/was 100% (or 1,000%) WRONG.

Yes, those can be tangential meanings and connotations that evolved as the word was used more and more, but NO, I think her explanation to you was completely wrong, it DID (and does) mean black, and clearly failed in giving you an adequate education in this area.

Nov 07 12 06:25 pm  Link  Quote 
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Presley ONeil wrote:

I'm not trolling, it was an opinion. Sorry if I'm not always a people pleaser:P

& you can speak about growing up with racism, but I didn't. I grew up with a few weeks of history on the subject and every black kid I know call eachother n----s but its okay for anyone else to say. It's stupid. If its an offensive term stop calling eachother that& end the word

I can't find the quote but whoever said we shouldn't take the use of the word as a justification to use it too, I wasn't trying to justify using it. I was saying it doesn't make sense that its acceptable for use by some, but extremely offensive if used in an non offensive way by others. It makes no damn sense. If its such an offensive term, why does anyone use it??? At all?

I don't think anyone is saying its okay to ever say but within the same groups people get to say things too and about each other.   You may have a silly nickname for a friend for example.   Lets say its dog breath.   You get to say it because you are friends.   If I said it would be insulting.   In my view the word should never be used but I do hear it used by other Black people.   Does it make sense that they can and you can't?   Too you maybe not but its one of those little things you'll need to live with.   For your own well being, don't call any Black folks 'n'.

Nov 07 12 06:25 pm  Link  Quote 
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hassanchop wrote:

Or maybe if young minds had good parenting. That word was never used in my house and if it had ever crossed my lips I would have been smacked six ways from Sunday.

At this day and age it seems schools are more important in that regard than parents. Either way, at 16 you're old enough to do some research yourself and not just blindly parrot what someone else tells you. I would have loved to have the knowledge of the world but a click away when I was 16.

Nov 07 12 06:31 pm  Link  Quote 
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i do have a lot to say about this but it kinda has no effect on me and i do find myself saying it too. not all the time and not around everybody cuz i am not stupid. it's just a word. the ones that are offended by it are the ones that arent affected by it.
Nov 07 12 06:31 pm  Link  Quote 
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Katarina N. wrote:

At this day and age it seems schools are more important in that regard than parents. .

the commies said that too

Nov 07 12 06:32 pm  Link  Quote 
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Presley ONeil wrote:
Well, only if you believe me, a teacher told me that. So that kind of kills your last statement huh?(:

And She wasn't 100% wrong(only 99...) she said it originally meant lowlife, loser, bottom of society, but it didnt mean black.

Didn't mean black? Really?

Oxford English Dictionary: Origin Before 1555 - from the latin nigrum - translated as black.

Through the entire history of the word, it was used to refer to not just black, but black people. The "polite" version was negro.  N- was a word used to specifically degrade a people. Dehumanize them. Using that word to dehumanize African-Americans allowed whites to sell them as cattle on auction blocks. That word is loaded with centuries of pain and torture.

Young blacks have been using it among themselves to try to take the sting out of the word. It doesn't work. That word has far too much history.

You live in Chicago and claim to have not been brought up around racism?

I'm sorry, you must live a very sheltered life. It is all though Chicago. Chicago is one of the most segregated cities in the country and racism is still displayed in pubic. Even today, blacks are often treated as second class citizens. When blacks kids enter expensive stores, they are often followed by security. Just because you haven't witnessed it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.... and probably not far from where you are right now.

Your teacher is wrong. Period.

Nov 07 12 06:34 pm  Link  Quote 
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Katarina N. wrote:

At this day and age it seems schools are more important in that regard than parents. Either way, at 16 you're old enough to do some research yourself and not just blindly parrot what someone else tells you. I would have loved to have the knowledge of the world but a click away when I was 16.

That is sad.

But if kids or adults are going to use the internet to get their knowledge they need to learn how to recognize credible sources.

Any idiot can make a web site -- an educated mind would know to check the source and make sure it was either a peer reviewed source and/ or something more credible than a wiki link, yahoo answers or a random web site.

Nov 07 12 06:35 pm  Link  Quote 
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Presley ONeil wrote:

Well, only if you believe me, a teacher told me that. So that kind of kills your last statement huh?(:

And She wasn't 100% wrong(only 99...) she said it originally meant lowlife, loser, bottom of society, but it didnt mean black.

Your teacher was wrong.

Or is it possible that you either misunderstood or heard what you wanted to hear?

I know it's doubtful, you seem like such a sensitive soul...

O_o

Nov 07 12 06:38 pm  Link  Quote 
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TrianglePhoto wrote:
When blacks kids enter expensive stores, they are often followed by security.

This reminds me of the movie "God grew tired of us", which is about a group of young male refugees from Africa who come to the US to start a new life there.

There is a tragicomical scene in which those young guys (who know virtually nothing about American customs and culture) are being told that they need to stop entering stores together, because it scares away the other customers.

Unlike blacks in the US, they just didn't know any better.

Nov 07 12 06:39 pm  Link  Quote 
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Presley ONeil wrote:

Yes I can is there a reason you'd think I can't?

Reading and comprehension are two different things.

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IBTL!!


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RacerXPhoto wrote:
Mary you would need a huge background lesson in US culture and history to understand.

To put it mildly.

I'm 75 years old, white, born and raised in the South, have lived and interacted positively as a civil rights activist in predominately black Northern communities for most of my life, and frankly, I don't understand all the ramifications.  The word might be an insult, a compliment, or a casual definition depending on who uses it, with whom, about whom and why.

One might as well try to explain a kangaroo or a platypus.

Nov 07 12 07:27 pm  Link  Quote 
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Wicked Photos wrote:
i do have a lot to say about this but it kinda has no effect on me and i do find myself saying it too. not all the time and not around everybody cuz i am not stupid. it's just a word. the ones that are offended by it are the ones that arent affected by it.

I'm offended by it, no matter who says it to me.  In fact, I'm more offended when a black person uses it.

Nov 07 12 07:28 pm  Link  Quote 
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Wicked Photos wrote:
i do have a lot to say about this but it kinda has no effect on me and i do find myself saying it too. not all the time and not around everybody cuz i am not stupid. it's just a word. the ones that are offended by it are the ones that arent affected by it.

It's just a word like 'fuck' is just a word, but if you look at the context in which it can be used.............

Your last statement is 100% wrong (IMHO). I have plenty of friends who are offended by it, and, what a coincidence, they're black...

O_o

Nov 07 12 07:43 pm  Link  Quote 
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For some great enlightenment on the why one should NEVER use the N word, purchase the dvd of ROOTS by Alex Haley

Starring Levar Burton, Cicely Tyson, Edward Asner and Sandy Duncan (2007)

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_nr_p_n_f … 1352345864

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51ZPU-WJw%2BL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

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For the record no one I don't care who they are, what they look like nor where they are from can use the N word in my presence...point blank period.

No one is allowed to disrespect me by calling me out of my name in any fashion, shape or form and using such a hateful word (it's origin) as the N word would be doing so, therefore it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand why any term/word that has a NEGATIVE and/or despicable meaning should not be used toward another person if ones intentions is not of malice, hate or distain....

Nedjetti

p.s. growing up my family never used the word nor did my mother or father curse in front of my siblings & I. Oh, my mother is from Birmingham AL and as a child had to drink from the COLORED WATER FOUNTAIN, yes she's still living...
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