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Patrick Walberg
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Presley ONeil wrote:
it does take two, but in the case of the teenagers& blame, i very much blame the girls parents. Why? obvious reasons.. raise your kids right, there would be less problems.

and while walking away is an obnoxious assholeish thing to do, its real easy to do when you're 17. and i like to think most deadbeats regret it most of their life. good.

In this last decade, the rate of teenaged moms giving birth has been going down.  I think the teenagers are getting the word.  Also the op might just be trolling.  This seems like a rant that should be in Soapbox.

Nov 12 12 07:52 pm  Link  Quote 
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hygvhgvkhy
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T wrote:
Yeah a lot teenage girls think their smart and are actually dumb as hell.

quoted for the irony

edit: and im pretty sure i misused irony, but i blame society for not being able to fully understand that one

Nov 12 12 07:53 pm  Link  Quote 
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hygvhgvkhy
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T wrote:

So you want to pick and choose which family is entitled to help and which babies should be thrown in the fire?

YES.

/endofconversation

Nov 12 12 07:56 pm  Link  Quote 
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What Fun Productions
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Little Queenie wrote:

Exactly!

We put so much pressure on teenage mothers to be responsible for their children, but what about dad?

What pressure is put on teenage mothers? It seems the pressure is put on the grandmother's who usually end up raising the kid.

Nov 12 12 07:57 pm  Link  Quote 
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T
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Presley ONeil wrote:

YES.

/endofconversation

lol. okay.

The end.

Nov 12 12 07:57 pm  Link  Quote 
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Patrick Walberg
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Salinas, California, US


Presley ONeil wrote:
it does take two, but in the case of the teenagers& blame, i very much blame the girls parents. Why? obvious reasons.. raise your kids right, there would be less problems.

and while walking away is an obnoxious assholeish thing to do, its real easy to do when you're 17. and i like to think most deadbeats regret it most of their life. good.

What exactly is the "right way" to raise children?  I'm sure some parents have done their best, and their teenaged daughter still got pregnant.  I'm also sure that you will find teenagers who would like to blame the parents.  However it comes down to individual responsibility.  Sometimes single teenaged parents do better than an older married couple.

Nov 12 12 07:58 pm  Link  Quote 
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Kev Lawson
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Little Queenie wrote:
Exactly!

We put so much pressure on teenage mothers to be responsible for their children, but what about dad?

What Fun Productions wrote:
What pressure is put on teenage mothers? It seems the pressure is put on the grandmother's who usually end up raising the kid.

QFT

Nov 12 12 07:59 pm  Link  Quote 
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Honey Stinger
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Madison, Wisconsin, US


Anne_C wrote:
Why do you ask?

I guess you haven't read much of what he posts.

Nov 12 12 08:04 pm  Link  Quote 
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hygvhgvkhy
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Patrick Walberg wrote:

What exactly is the "right way" to raise children?  I'm sure some parents have done their best, and their teenaged daughter still got pregnant.  I'm also sure that you will find teenagers who would like to blame the parents.  However it comes down to individual responsibility.  Sometimes single teenaged parents do better than an older married couple.

i supppose "their best" is true.. but i know too many girls whove gotten pregnant, and i couldve(and did with a few) called all but one of them. shes also one of two who gave her baby up for adoption.

Nov 12 12 08:04 pm  Link  Quote 
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Honey Stinger
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Laura UnBound wrote:

Many types of people having children isn't a good idea.

You say the smartest things.

Nov 12 12 08:06 pm  Link  Quote 
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a raw muse
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This is a slippery slope that I see leading to:

-If you make under $X a year, you are not allowed to procreate
-IUD's can cause sterilization
-Who decides who is a "fit parent" and who is not?

I have met plenty of horrible parents, who on paper look like ideal candidates to be parents. Yay, growing up in Boston taking care of horrendous offspring from brilliant mathematicians and scientists. Were these parents old enough? Sure. Well off enough? Yes. But they neglected the fuck out of their kids and provided no discipline whatsoever, so by the time my dumb ass went to babysit they'd be desperate for interaction and attention.

I've also met plenty of single moms who are amazing, amazing parents. I know one girl from high school that got pregnant around 17, had the kid, and is still going to school and hasn't spent a single dime on herself since having this kid. She now has a lovely kid, who I'm sure will be a brat now and then like any kid, but he has a lot of "mom time", and is learning first-hand how to interact with others and respect others. Same as my aunt, who had my cousin at 17 (and a husband, I may add); and plenty of family support.

Being a parent is not easy, and not something you can 100% prevent or prepare for.
Nov 12 12 08:07 pm  Link  Quote 
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hygvhgvkhy
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Patrick Walberg wrote:

What exactly is the "right way" to raise children?

oh & to answer this question, my mom obviously doesnt know that.. yeah.
But if with that microscopic chance i did get pregnant i know what i would do. And the chance is microscopic.

Most girls just have sex& dont even think about actually getting pregnant because the idea is eewww, and yeah, it is. but its a possibility you should be prepared for.

Nov 12 12 08:08 pm  Link  Quote 
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Little Queenie
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What Fun Productions wrote:

What pressure is put on teenage mothers? It seems the pressure is put on the grandmother's who usually end up raising the kid.

It's usually the grandmothers that pressur their teenage daughters to keep their kids.

Nov 12 12 08:08 pm  Link  Quote 
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a raw muse
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Patrick Walberg wrote:

What exactly is the "right way" to raise children?  I'm sure some parents have done their best, and their teenaged daughter still got pregnant.  I'm also sure that you will find teenagers who would like to blame the parents.  However it comes down to individual responsibility. Sometimes single teenaged parents do better than an older married couple.

Ain't that the truth.

Nov 12 12 08:09 pm  Link  Quote 
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Aaron Lewis Photography
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indefinite anomaly wrote:
This is a slippery slope that I see leading to:

-If you make under $X a year, you are not allowed to procreate
-IUD's can cause sterilization
-Who decides who is a "fit parent" and who is not?

Well since there are people skilled at deciding who's fit to adopt a child, I say we use the same people to do the deciding. They seem to think they have it figured out.

I don't think there's a magic number but rather a magic percentage. Like an income to debt ratio. There is a dollar amount determinable to decide weather or not you can afford to have a child given your current life style and income.

Given a few pieces of information I think it's pretty easy to determine if you have the financial means to PROPERLY raise a child. Now we're only talking about money here. You can have money and still be a moron.

T wrote:
Um, many people who receive assistance HAVE jobs. So you want to pick and choose which family is entitled to help and which babies should be thrown in the fire?  Many people have worked and ran into financial difficulties; divorce, death in family, illness in family, recession. Many military families are very poor....do we say fuck you to their babies too? I mean, it's my tax dollars and all.

You're still missing the point

Nov 12 12 08:17 pm  Link  Quote 
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Honey Stinger
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Presley ONeil wrote:
But if with that microscopic chance i did get pregnant

Unless you put duct tape over your mouth on the way to the dance, it's less than microscopic.

I kid. I kid. Rock on Presley!

Nov 12 12 08:18 pm  Link  Quote 
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Umair Riaz
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The gaming industry has the perfect solution for reducing teen pregnancies:

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/1351/18194554909444523094131.jpg
Nov 12 12 08:22 pm  Link  Quote 
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T
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Washington, District of Columbia, US


Aaron Lewis Photography wrote:

indefinite anomaly wrote:
This is a slippery slope that I see leading to:

-If you make under $X a year, you are not allowed to procreate
-IUD's can cause sterilization
-Who decides who is a "fit parent" and who is not?

Well since there are people skilled at deciding who's fit to adopt a child, I say we use the same people to do the deciding. They seem to think they have it figured out.

I don't think there's a magic number but rather a magic percentage. Like an income to debt ratio. There is a dollar amount determinable to decide weather or not you can afford to have a child given your current life style and income.

Given a few pieces of information I think it's pretty easy to determine if you have the financial means to PROPERLY raise a child. Now we're only talking about money here. You can have money and still be a moron.


You're still missing the point

I'm not missing any point. I simply don't buy into your madness. I'm informed enough to know that it's only a very small segment of the population that abuse the system and I realize that babies don't deserve to be punished.

Nov 12 12 08:25 pm  Link  Quote 
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Kaley King
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Jefferson City, Missouri, US


I had my daughter when I was a teenager.  I'm almost done with my bachelors degree, and I have one of the top GPAs in my class.  I will most likely go to graduate school to earn my masters degree as well.  I'm doing a lot more than a lot of my friends who don't have kids, or who had kids later on.  I'm not on public assistance, I have a scholarship, and do odds and end kinda jobs to support us. 

The father and I are not married anymore, but neither are a lot of people who had kids older...split households are not any longer just a teenage issue.  My family raised me just right.  I've invested in gerber plans to help out with college, but even people who waited until they were older can't afford college sometimes...I am sure we will manage just fine.  She isn't a teen yet, but she isn't 2 or 3 either (which are very challenging ages as well). 

She is the best thing that ever happened to me, I love her today, tomorrow, and forever...screw what anyone else thinks.
Nov 12 12 08:26 pm  Link  Quote 
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ontherocks
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then why have i read so many articles recently saying that IUDs are the best form of birth control? far more effective than pills or condoms. or at least that's what i thought i read in the articles.

if a minor isn't allowed to make major decisions for themselves until they are an adult (18 in many states i believe) then, yeah, why not at least consider forced birth control? put all the options on the table at least.

La Lana  wrote:
Forced birth control?  Iuds aren't good unless a female has already had a baby or it can lead to scarring in the uterus.

Nov 12 12 08:27 pm  Link  Quote 
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What Fun Productions
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Little Queenie wrote:

It's usually the grandmothers that pressur their teenage daughters to keep their kids.

BS.

Nov 12 12 08:27 pm  Link  Quote 
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T
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What Fun Productions wrote:

BS.

BS? So are you saying grandma's pressure them to abort?

Nov 12 12 08:30 pm  Link  Quote 
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T
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twoharts wrote:
then why have i read so many articles recently saying that IUDs are the best form of birth control? far more effective than pills or condoms. or at least that's what i thought i read in the articles.

if a minor isn't allowed to make major decisions for themselves until they are an adult (18 in many states i believe) then, yeah, why not at least consider forced birth control? put all the options on the table at least.


Sick!

Nov 12 12 08:31 pm  Link  Quote 
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Honey Stinger
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twoharts wrote:
then why have i read so many articles recently saying that IUDs are the best form of birth control?

Are you reading Popular Science Magazine from the 1960's?  Or maybe you're reading the manual for your lawn mower, drinkin' shit out of a mason jar and you're just really fucking confused?

I dunno. Just trying to help you with your question.

Nov 12 12 08:32 pm  Link  Quote 
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Kaley King
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twoharts wrote:
then why have i read so many articles recently saying that IUDs are the best form of birth control? far more effective than pills or condoms. or at least that's what i thought i read in the articles.

if a minor isn't allowed to make major decisions for themselves until they are an adult (18 in many states i believe) then, yeah, why not at least consider forced birth control? put all the options on the table at least.


It is more effective, but only used by a very small percentage of women...but just because it's the most effective that doesn't mean there aren't risks.  There's always a risk of it scarring, but the risk is higher for women without children.

Why not force birth control???  Because even though they are young it's their bodies, and no one should be forced to have something in their body they don't want....it's very Un-American.  That decision should be between a girl and her family...not forced laws.

Nov 12 12 08:39 pm  Link  Quote 
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Little Queenie
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What Fun Productions wrote:

BS.

When I was a teenager I lived in an area that had the highest rate of teen pregnancy in the nation. I had a lot of friends that had babies and their parents always encouraged them to keep their pregnancies and their children.

"Abortion isn't an option."

"A stranger isn't going to raise my grand baby."

"Live with the consequences of your mistakes."

Believe me, I've heard them all.

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T
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La Lana  wrote:

It is more effective, but only used by a very small percentage of women...but just because it's the most effective that doesn't mean there aren't risks.  There's always a risk of it scarring, but the risk is higher for women without children.

Why not force birth control???  Because even though they are young it's their bodies, and no one should be forced to have something in their body they don't want....it's very Un-American.  That decision should be between a girl and her family...not forced laws.

You know, I think it's a damn shame that you have to explain this.

Nov 12 12 08:43 pm  Link  Quote 
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Honey Stinger
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La Lana  wrote:

It is more effective, but only used by a very small percentage of women...but just because it's the most effective that doesn't mean there aren't risks.  There's always a risk of it scarring, but the risk is higher for women without children.

Why not force birth control???  Because even though they are young it's their bodies, and no one should be forced to have something in their body they don't want....it's very Un-American.  That decision should be between a girl and her family...not forced laws.

I'm way out of my league on this but shouldn't that simply be her decision?

Nov 12 12 08:45 pm  Link  Quote 
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Kev Lawson
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twoharts wrote:
if a minor isn't allowed to make major decisions for themselves until they are an adult (18 in many states i believe) then, yeah, why not at least consider forced birth control? put all the options on the table at least.

OK, so when tribes in Africa sew the vaginal cavity closed on young females, it is ok? Is that the suggestion for here in the US? or other modern societies?

hmmmmm

Nov 12 12 08:46 pm  Link  Quote 
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UltimateAppeal wrote:

OK, so when tribes in Africa sew the vaginal cavity closed on young females, it is ok? Is that the suggestion for here in the US? or other modern societies?

hmmmmm

This is what they wanted to do to my daughter in Kenya... They got her sister.

Female genital mutilation (FGM), also known as female genital cutting and female circumcision, is defined by the World Health Organization (WHO) as "all procedures that involve partial or total removal of the external female genitalia, or other injury to the female genital organs for non-medical reasons."[1]

FGM is typically carried out on girls from a few days old to puberty. It may take place in a hospital, but is usually performed, without anaesthesia, by a traditional circumciser using a knife, razor, or scissors. According to the WHO, it is practiced in 28 countries in western, eastern, and north-eastern Africa, in parts of the Middle East, and within some immigrant communities in Europe, North America, Australasia.[2] The WHO estimates that 100–140 million women and girls around the world have experienced the procedure, including 92 million in Africa.[1] The practice is carried out by some communities who believe it reduces a woman's libido.

Nov 12 12 08:49 pm  Link  Quote 
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Kaley King
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Cuica Cafezinho wrote:

I'm way out of my league on this but shouldn't that simply be her decision?

I'd say to a point...yes...I believe it's good for families to discuss it, and good for a family to back the teen on her decision, but also good for the teen to listen to insight from her family, and physician.  Teens don't know everything, so they should be made aware of complications of birth control, and taught about complications if you choose to not use it.

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Kaley King
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T wrote:

This is what they wanted to do to my daughter in Kenya... They got her sister.

Female genital mutilation (FGM), also known as female genital cutting and female circumcision, is defined by the World Health Organization (WHO) as "all procedures that involve partial or total removal of the external female genitalia, or other injury to the female genital organs for non-medical reasons."[1]

FGM is typically carried out on girls from a few days old to puberty. It may take place in a hospital, but is usually performed, without anaesthesia, by a traditional circumciser using a knife, razor, or scissors. According to the WHO, it is practiced in 28 countries in western, eastern, and north-eastern Africa, in parts of the Middle East, and within some immigrant communities in Europe, North America, Australasia.[2] The WHO estimates that 100–140 million women and girls around the world have experienced the procedure, including 92 million in Africa.[1] The practice is carried out by some communities who believe it reduces a woman's libido.

Awful...

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Cherrystone
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Is this where the party is at?

Whole lotta BS in this thread. "Eh, what else is new.
Nov 12 12 08:54 pm  Link  Quote 
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Honey Stinger
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Madison, Wisconsin, US


La Lana  wrote:

I'd say to a point...yes...I believe it's good for families to discuss it, and good for a family to back the teen on her decision, but also good for the teen to listen to insight from her family, and physician.  Teens don't know everything, so they should be made aware of complications of birth control, and taught about complications if you choose to not use it.

I'm with you on involving the physician. I just don't see it as a family decision.

Again, I'm way out of my league here. I'm a man and I don't have children.

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Chris Rifkin
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SPRINGHEEL wrote:

http://www.ownzee.com/attachments/photos/pic6/4dc9f6cb-98c0-4152-9980-27c1cdbab12d.jpg

oh
man

lol

*sings I'm on a Highway to Hell"

Nov 12 12 08:57 pm  Link  Quote 
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Honey Stinger
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Madison, Wisconsin, US


Chris Rifkin wrote:

oh
man

lol

*sings I'm on a Highway to Hell"

So, you posted after reading a couple things on the first page, eh?

Nov 12 12 08:59 pm  Link  Quote 
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Kaley King
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Jefferson City, Missouri, US


Cuica Cafezinho wrote:

I'm with you on involving the physician. I just don't see it as a family decision.

Again, I'm way out of my league here. I'm a man and I don't have children.

Usually to get birth control the female has to undergo a pap smear...and then there's a list of side effects that goes with birth control.  I believe it's important for the parents to be informed on what's going on with their child.  Not that it needs to be their decision, but if my child was having any kind of...procedure...or ending up having rare but possible complications from birth control...I'd want to know what was going on.

Nov 12 12 09:00 pm  Link  Quote 
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hygvhgvkhy
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Chicago, Illinois, US


La Lana  wrote:

Usually to get birth control the female has to undergo a pap smear...and then there's a list of side effects that goes with birth control.  I believe it's important for the parents to be informed on what's going on with their child.  Not that it needs to be their decision, but if my child was having any kind of...procedure...or ending up having rare but possible complications from birth control...I'd want to know what was going on.

Not always on the first statement. With everything else, that's really dependent upon the parent:/ in most cases I'd agree, some mothers are simply not all there...

Nov 12 12 09:04 pm  Link  Quote 
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Cherrystone
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twoharts wrote:
if a minor isn't allowed to make major decisions for themselves until they are an adult (18 in many states i believe) then, yeah, why not at least consider forced birth control? put all the options on the table at least.

Forced birth control.....oh dear God. facepalm

You're living in the wrong country and century.

Nov 12 12 09:05 pm  Link  Quote 
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Cherrystone
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T wrote:

Yeah a lot teenage girls think their smart and are actually dumb as hell.

Just make it teens in general.....girls don't have the market cornered on that point. wink

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