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Katrina Patridge
Posts: 5
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US


Hi, I am writing this because I just met up with the director of Wilhelmina Minneapolis and he wanted me to sign a contract. He was the director last year of a different agency that fell through, so I had known him previously from open calls at that agency. Now, he is the director at Wilhelmina and contacted me. He spent the first hour of our meeting showing me all the success his girls has gotten. (Target ads, Mag covers etc.) then he showed me the contract and said "Lets get you going." and he spent lots of time with me explaining nutrition and proper exercise to get my body in tip top shape for modeling again. On the contract, it says that the first photoshoot with them is 500 dollars. Then, an additional 300 dollars for my portfolio to be made and another 100 for my comp cards. There were other fees as well and it all added up to $2050 dollars. OMG! Who has that kind of money?!

I'm really confused because he seems to have had successful girls there and he told me they are connected with L.A. and N.Y. Wilhelmina. So part of me thinks it is legit, but the money being paid upfront REALLY scares me. He says no matter what agency you are with, you are going to have to pay money at some point.

What do you guys know about this? Thanks!!
Nov 12 12 09:09 pm  Link  Quote 
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R80
Posts: 2,567
Marceline, Missouri, US


They put out some helpful books and the name is not unfamiliar.  That being said, I've heard some bad things about them relating to scam sort of operations.  The fact that he told you that you'll be putting money out with any agency is untrue.  You may have to pay for supplies to promote yourself, but agencies generally aren't out to make money off of you other than what they get from the client.

Google them and make a decision.  They've been in the news on several occasions.
Personally, I'm not one of their fans.

The only reason I don't come right out and say they're awful is I have a hard time thinking all the bad rep is true if they've been in business so long.
Nov 13 12 12:13 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
R80
Posts: 2,567
Marceline, Missouri, US


I just "googled" them myself and the first page looks good for them.  Farther in, you find "Wilhemina scam" and get all sorts of headers.

Have a look yourself.  I have just never come to a solid decision with them and have yet to work with anyone who's gone through them.

You can also check them out through MM past forum posts - there's a lot in there.
Nov 13 12 12:17 am  Link  Quote 
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Extrosy
Posts: 656
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US


You've been a member almost a year.  Have you done many shoots?  You should be able to use your own photos - If you've made any.
Nov 13 12 11:22 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Katrina Patridge
Posts: 5
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US


Yeah, he said I can't use the pictures I have because they are a year old and I need "updated" photos.
Nov 13 12 05:16 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Dean Johnson Photo
Posts: 54,709
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US


He's trying to sell you a (overpriced) photoshoot.
Nov 13 12 05:20 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Katrina Patridge
Posts: 5
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US


So I should probably stay away from it?
Nov 13 12 05:28 pm  Link  Quote 
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GPS Studio Services
Posts: 33,433
San Francisco, California, US


Katrina Patridge wrote:
So is it just an overall scam and I should probably stay away from it?

The real Wilhelmina died years ago of cancer.  The company has continued, using her name after her death.  The New York agency is still well respected, but it is not regarded as well as when she was there.

Management though, is driven by profits, which is true of many corporations.  They have an obligation to their stock holders.  As a result, they have reached out to increase revenues in a number of ways.  The first was to hook up with Options Talent to form the Wilhelmina Modeling Network, an Internet agency.  I don't think they realized how unsavory their partner was alleged to have been, but the marriage broke up quickly.

Since then they have been licensing the name "Wilhelmina" to smaller agencies and schools around the country.   The problem is they haven't done a very good job of vetting them or managing them.  The result is that they have hooked up with several modeling schools, portfolio mills and the like.  Girls sign up thinking they are involved with Wilhelmina, and in fact, they are just independent agencies that have bought a license to use the name.

There have been many allegations of scams of all kinds.  Generally speaking, if an agency wants you to update your portfolio, they should give you a list of approved photographers, you should choose the one of your choice and deal with them directly.  It is inappropriate, in most cases, for an agency to charge you to shoot your portfolio for you.  In some states, it is illegal.

There are a lot of reasons why a legitimate agency will want you to have new photos.  They should be making their money though, from getting you work, not taking your picture.

You have a great look.  Good luck to you.

Nov 13 12 08:13 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Dean Johnson Photo
Posts: 54,709
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US


Well said ei, thank you! Great post.
Nov 14 12 03:49 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Neil Snape
Posts: 9,422
Paris, Île-de-France, France


IF they start off with blowing smoke with what they've done, it is all too much too fast.

You can't believe that the big agencies start off telling you how much they did for Dean Johnson.

They don't but those who want your money will.

Forget it.
Nov 14 12 04:05 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Alixx Rose
Posts: 225
Atlanta, Georgia, US


almost the same thing happened to me with a different agency.
Its not exactly a scam, but it's close.
Everyone they 'promote' pays them that original fee, but there are no promises that they will actually get you work, so you could be in the .05% of models that the agency actually gets jobs for, or you'll be a part of the latter that doesn't get anything out of it.

Good luck
Nov 14 12 11:26 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Fotopia
Posts: 1,046
Atlanta, Georgia, US


Legitimate agencies make their profits from the clients they have booked you to work with.

Most companies that try to live from scamming new models usually don't last very long, and have nothing of value to offer you.
Nov 14 12 11:38 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Brianne L
Posts: 268
OTTSVILLE, Pennsylvania, US


I don't know much about them so I can't personally say.
I do know however that agencies should not be asking you for money upfront. I'm with a local agency, and the only time they would require payment FROM ME is if I wanted to have myself posted on their website. They will still submit me for gigs/jobs/etc I could qualify for, but the website would help more in the sense that clients will be looking at their website to find what look they want.
They also refer me to a certain photographer, and HE requires payment, but...I don't know, I haven't worked with their recommended photographer.

If I were you I wouldn't bother with that offer unless you have more money than you know what to do with. Even then, I don't know how much it would be worth it.
Nov 14 12 12:41 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
M Coeur
Posts: 8
Columbus, Ohio, US


ei Total Productions wrote:

The real Wilhelmina died years ago of cancer.  The company has continued, using her name after her death.  The New York agency is still well respected, but it is not regarded as well as when she was there.

Management though, is driven by profits, which is true of many corporations.  They have an obligation to their stock holders.  As a result, they have reached out to increase revenues in a number of ways.  The first was to hook up with Options Talent to form the Wilhelmina Modeling Network, an Internet agency.  I don't think they realized how unsavory their partner was alleged to have been, but the marriage broke up quickly.

Since then they have been licensing the name "Wilhelmina" to smaller agencies and schools around the country.   The problem is they haven't done a very good job of vetting them or managing them.  The result is that they have hooked up with several modeling schools, portfolio mills and the like.  Girls sign up thinking they are involved with Wilhelmina, and in fact, they are just independent agencies that have bought a license to use the name.

There have been many allegations of scams of all kinds.  Generally speaking, if an agency wants you to update your portfolio, they should give you a list of approved photographers, you should choose the one of your choice and deal with them directly.  It is inappropriate, in most cases, for an agency to charge you to shoot your portfolio for you.  In some states, it is illegal.

There are a lot of reasons why a legitimate agency will want you to have new photos.  They should be making their money though, from getting you work, not taking your picture.

You have a great look.  Good luck to you.

Thank you for this response post. It was also very informative for me. Very helpful.


Prospective models (who find the agencies licensing the name Wilhemina) can also call the Wilhelmina NY office and the L.A. office and speak directly ith a representative there. They will tell you pretty much just what ei Total Productions wrote. They will be brief and possibly short...but informative and understanding.

Nov 14 12 01:32 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Extrosy
Posts: 656
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US


I'm sure there are plenty of Minneapolis photographers who are willing to help you update your portfolio... wink wink...
Nov 14 12 02:55 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Miss_Bee
Posts: 141
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US


I have had experiences with this company quite like yours. You shouldn't give them your money, if they like you then another agency will like you. Its so much money and zero guarantee, it is not worth it unless you have that money just sitting around (wouldn't that be nice!).

Eric, the head of Wilhelmina MPLS, told me something along the lines of "well just because one McDonald's down the road is bad doesn't mean that this one is" (without saying anything specific about PA, LOL), and I replied "well that's the problem with licencing your name isnt it!
Nov 15 12 04:14 pm  Link  Quote 
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Extrosy
Posts: 656
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US


Stephanie_Bee wrote:
Eric, the head of Wilhelmina MPLS, told me something along the lines of "well just because one McDonald's down the road is bad doesn't mean that this one is" (without saying anything specific about PA, LOL), and I replied "well that's the problem with licencing your name isnt it!

You should have said, "That may be true, but in the end, you're still both McDonalds."

Nov 15 12 04:34 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Miss_Bee
Posts: 141
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US


Also the way they are 'connected' with the NY and LA offices is "sometimes" the people from those offices will look at who the affiliate has listed. That means the person still has to be within NYC agency standards (tall and thin) to catch their attention. When you can just go to an open call for free smile
Nov 15 12 06:36 pm  Link  Quote 
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Dan OMell
Posts: 1,310
Charlotte, North Carolina, US


scam!

you can send your own snapshots to the real model agency by email
http://wilhelmina.com/become_model_submit_photos.cfm
(Miami, New York)

http://wilhelmina.com/contactus.cfm
DISCLAIMER: www.wilhelmina.com is the only official website of Wilhelmina International, Inc., one of the preeminent model management firms in the world. Impostors have used websites and email addresses incorporating the Wilhelmina name. Such activities do not have the authorization of Wilhelmina International, Inc. and they are fraudulent. Anyone who has had dealings with or communications from these impostors should contact the Better Business Bureau, the FBI, or other law enforcement agencies.

Contact websitehelp@wilhelmina.com if you have any questions about using the Wilhelmina website.
Nov 15 12 06:51 pm  Link  Quote 
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Brendan Lally Photo
Posts: 50
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


Chances are you will pay them $500, they will then book you with an MM photographer on a TF shoot. They will then want the photographer to provide hair, MU, stylist and wardrobe.

Common practice for unscrupulous agencies/management reps.
Nov 15 12 07:03 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DennisRoliffPhotography
Posts: 1,914
Akron, Ohio, US


This info might help clear things up.

Portfolio Mill
Nov 15 12 07:26 pm  Link  Quote 
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WMcK
Posts: 5,202
Glasgow, Scotland, United Kingdom


Katrina Patridge wrote:
He was the director last year of a different agency that fell through

This alone should set alarm bells ringing. Did the models who had paid him get their money back? Obviously when his previous agency fell through, they would not get any further bookings from him. Do you trust him not to fail again?

Nov 17 12 03:34 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
LizzyB
Posts: 2,168
Rochester, New York, US


lolol i work at a hotel and the Wilhelmia in my city had an open casting today...


i heard they take like over 50% of a model's profits or something?  or was that just conjecture
Nov 18 12 08:23 pm  Link  Quote 
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sara kiesling
Posts: 124
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US


There are a some great, legitimate, already well-established commercial agencies (since you're under 5'7) here in Minneapolis (which, very likely, could be the agencies actually booking jobs for some of the WM models that may have non-exclusive contracts...the agency doesn't have to say whether or not they booked the jobs, as long as they're able to show their models in it).

There are also a lot of great photographers around here that can help you rebuild your portfolio for a lot less than what he quoted you (check out WM's FB page to see what that investment gets you).  It's so nice to see people actually doing their research!


PS - weren't you in one of the Drive YouTube videos?  Did they make/post that video without you even being signed to them?!
Nov 28 12 01:18 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Katrina Patridge
Posts: 5
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US


Yes I was in that youtube video! crazy you saw that!!! I was not signed with them.
Dec 05 12 08:02 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
udor
Posts: 21,013
New York, New York, US


R80 wrote:
You may have to pay for supplies to promote yourself, but agencies generally aren't out to make money off of you other than what they get from the client.

That's not entirely true... both the client and the model (fees) are part of the revenue stream of many, many companies... including some of the majors!

Dec 05 12 09:51 am  Link  Quote 
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udor
Posts: 21,013
New York, New York, US


Dan OMell wrote:
scam!

you can send your own snapshots to the real model agency by email
http://wilhelmina.com/become_model_submit_photos.cfm
(Miami, New York)

http://wilhelmina.com/contactus.cfm
DISCLAIMER: www.wilhelmina.com is the only official website of Wilhelmina International, Inc., one of the preeminent model management firms in the world. Impostors have used websites and email addresses incorporating the Wilhelmina name. Such activities do not have the authorization of Wilhelmina International, Inc. and they are fraudulent. Anyone who has had dealings with or communications from these impostors should contact the Better Business Bureau, the FBI, or other law enforcement agencies.

Contact websitehelp@wilhelmina.com if you have any questions about using the Wilhelmina website.

Dan!

This should be a sticky post!!!

Dec 05 12 09:52 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
udor
Posts: 21,013
New York, New York, US


Kelsey Roybal wrote:
I'm really confused because he seems to have had successful girls there and he told me they are connected with L.A. and N.Y. Wilhelmina. So part of me thinks it is legit, but the money being paid upfront REALLY scares me. He says no matter what agency you are with, you are going to have to pay money at some point.

Hi Kelsey!

Please, do not be offended by what I am writing, and I try to find ways to say that without being hurtful, but if you look at any of the major modeling websites for fashion and see what their model stats requirements are, you will find that you are not fitting their height requirements and in one photo in your portfolio, it also looks like your hips are a little more than what a fashion agency would be looking for.

But... you have a great face... and I think that this "director" is playing on giving you the dream, he talks about getting in shape, but he had no advise on how to grow naturally another 3 inches...

Enough to get you in their door to pay for the services.

It also should make you wonder that he spent so much time, doing this hard sell to you... at agencies... you are given minutes if at all... they look through your book, look at you... and if they see the possibility that they can make money with you, they take some polaroids and will get back to you.

Don't have any other advise to you at the moment except see where your niche in modeling is, but it's not high fashion! ("high fashion" has the word "high" in it... smile )

Dec 05 12 10:01 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Katrina Patridge
Posts: 5
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US


I am not a high fashion model Udor, I am a commercial model.

Thanks.
Dec 06 12 05:54 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
udor
Posts: 21,013
New York, New York, US


Katrina Patridge wrote:
I am not a high fashion model Udor, I am a commercial model.

Thanks.

I am aware of that... but the reputable, brick & mortar agencies usually allow only some deviation, not too much, so don't be surprised that for the big ones, you still maybe considered not tall enough.

You may find an agency that is smaller, but has a good reputation to get good gigs, including commercials and acting gigs...

Good luck regardless!

udor

Dec 08 12 11:46 am  Link  Quote 
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Andrew Thomas Evans
Posts: 23,347
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US


As I've said about some other agencies here that had a system like you described. There are a lot of good/decent agencies in town that have been around for a while and that would have the same or better contacts around the country. I'd start with one of them first rather than some new franchise. Local agencies would know the local market, clients, and would be (I feel) able to help you more.

Not saying the agency in question is bad, just that there are better options locally.


R80 wrote:
You may have to pay for supplies to promote yourself, but agencies generally aren't out to make money off of you other than what they get from the client.
udor wrote:
That's not entirely true... both the client and the model (fees) are part of the revenue stream of many, many companies... including some of the majors!

+1

A lot of agencies here have fee's, although most are a lot more affordable than what the OP mentioned.




Andrew Thomas Evans
www.andrewthomasevans.com

Dec 08 12 03:45 pm  Link  Quote 
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Andrew Thomas Evans
Posts: 23,347
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US


Dean Soapbox Killer Photo wrote:
He's trying to sell you a (overpriced) photoshoot.

I don't think $500 total is that out of line for a portfolio shoot here, granted it would include makeup and hair. Not saying that's what she would be getting, but on it's own that's not too big of a red flag.




Andrew Thomas Evans
www.andrewthomasevans.com

Dec 08 12 03:55 pm  Link  Quote 
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John Fisher
Posts: 1,776
Miami Beach, Florida, US


http://www.johnfisher.com/images/1Olivia4282fs.jpg
Olivia from Wisconsin, don't ya know! (17, 5'10, Mega Model Management, Miami)

I think this is how it's supposed to work. Wilhelmina has licensed some smaller agencies to use the Wilhelmina name as part of something called the Wilhelmina scouting network. As I recall, this goes back to the days of Dieter Esch (then owner of Wilhelmina) who originally hatched this scheme with a guy who promoted boy bands in Orlando, Florida. Dieter was/is an interesting guy (I knew him in New York), and rarely saw an "interesting" business idea he didn't like, particularly if there was some serious money attached.

The idea has some merit, if you are a real candidate for fashion modeling (for women this means you are between 14 and 19, 5'9 to 6' tall, so thin your mother wants to take you to the doctor, have disproportionately long legs, and have a face that would launch a thousand ships), you could go to a satellite operation like say Wilhelmina-Boise (just to pick a name), get "developed", and then shipped off to New York. The same should work for a good looking boy 6'-6'2, with a 32" waist, a 15.5" neck, and abs so tight it's criminal (the measurements for men are much tighter than they are for women).

And it's also possible that Wilhelmina-Boise might book an occasional commercial job in Boise (at least one of the three jobs available annually in Boise). And it's also possible that the major source of income for Wilhelmina-Boise will be the "Modeling" classes, portfolio shoots, prints and books, and comp cards that every "model" absolutely must have to be competitive in a market like Boise! (With only three jobs available annually, you bet it's competitive!)

Sigh, in the greater scheme of things these modeling "agencies" are relatively harmless. Yeah, some people spend money to appear to be around the industry, and get to tell their friends they are models, and for the most part it is just a rip, but their are worse problems out there. Another fly in the ointment is that let's say it works, and you do get to the big show in New York........ with Wilhelmina....... Makes you wonder what third prize would be (two weeks in Lagos, Nigeria?)

Ha! Seriously, I do like Dieter. I can't say we spent a lot of time together (we look somewhat alike), but it doesn't take long to realize the guy has an incredibly sharp business mind. So sharp that if you get too close you can wind up bleeding profusely!

John

PS: If there really is a Wilhelmina-Boise, I meant no disrespect. It's just a random name I chose because I have a personal fondness for Boise. If I was going to scout in the US, I'd probably spend a lot of time in the upper Mid-West, I mean, why go to Scandinavia when you've got all that same blood stock here (and the models wouldn't need visas!). (Note to self, check plane flights to Minneapolis.......)

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900 West Avenue, Suite 633
Miami Beach, Florida 33139
305 534-9322
http://www.johnfisher.com
Dec 08 12 08:52 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
ashara
Posts: 988
Brewster, New York, US


John Fisher wrote:
http://www.johnfisher.com/images/1Olivia4282fs.jpg
Olivia from Wisconsin, don't ya know! (17, 5'10, Mega Model Management, Miami)

I think this is how it's supposed to work. Wilhelmina has licensed some smaller agencies to use the Wilhelmina name as part of something called the Wilhelmina scouting network. As I recall, this goes back to the days of Dieter Esch (then owner of Wilhelmina) who originally hatched this scheme with a guy who promoted boy bands in Orlando, Florida. Dieter was/is an interesting guy (I knew him in New York), and rarely saw an "interesting" business idea he didn't like, particularly if there was some serious money attached.

The idea has some merit, if you are a real candidate for fashion modeling (for women this means you are between 14 and 19, 5'9 to 6' tall, so thin your mother wants to take you to the doctor, have disproportionately long legs, and have a face that would launch a thousand ships), you could go to a satellite operation like say Wilhelmina-Boise (just to pick a name), get "developed", and then shipped off to New York. The same should work for a good looking boy 6'-6'2, with a 32" waist, a 15.5" neck, and abs so tight it's criminal (the measurements for men are much tighter than they are for women).

And it's also possible that Wilhelmina-Boise might book an occasional commercial job in Boise (at least one of the three jobs available annually in Boise). And it's also possible that the major source of income for Wilhelmina-Boise will be the "Modeling" classes, portfolio shoots, prints and books, and comp cards that every "model" absolutely must have to be competitive in a market like Boise! (With only three jobs available annually, you bet it's competitive!)

Sigh, in the greater scheme of things these modeling "agencies" are relatively harmless. Yeah, some people spend money to appear to be around the industry, and get to tell their friends they are models, and for the most part it is just a rip, but their are worse problems out there. Another fly in the ointment is that let's say it works, and you do get to the big show in New York........ with Wilhelmina....... Makes you wonder what third prize would be (two weeks in Lagos, Nigeria?)

Ha! Seriously, I do like Dieter. I can't say we spent a lot of time together (we look somewhat alike), but it doesn't take long to realize the guy has an incredibly sharp business mind. So sharp that if you get too close you can wind up bleeding profusely!

John

PS: If there really is a Wilhelmina-Boise, I meant no disrespect. It's just a random name I chose because I have a personal fondness for Boise. If I was going to scout in the US, I'd probably spend a lot of time in the upper Mid-West, I mean, why go to Scandinavia when you've got all that same blood stock here (and the models wouldn't need visas!). (Note to self, check plane flights to Minneapolis.......)

--
John Fisher
900 West Avenue, Suite 633
Miami Beach, Florida 33139
305 534-9322
http://www.johnfisher.com

THis .. made me smile!

Dec 08 12 10:51 pm  Link  Quote 
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sara kiesling
Posts: 124
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US


udor wrote:
I am aware of that... but the reputable, brick & mortar agencies usually allow only some deviation, not too much, so don't be surprised that for the big ones, you still maybe considered not tall enough.

You may find an agency that is smaller, but has a good reputation to get good gigs, including commercials and acting gigs...

Good luck regardless!

udor

Minneapolis is a commercial market.  If any agency here wants to be making money, they more often need commercial models, not fashion models.  Out of the girls that I've worked with here, the ones who book the most jobs have been in the 5'4-5'7 range, with perfect skin and teeth.

But the bigger issue again is whether or not the agency actually has clients that they can book ANY of their models with.

Dec 11 12 11:10 am  Link  Quote 
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udor
Posts: 21,013
New York, New York, US


sara kiesling wrote:
But the bigger issue again is whether or not the agency actually has clients that they can book ANY of their models with.

... and this is the key issue when finding an agency... smile

Dec 11 12 04:21 pm  Link  Quote 
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Andrew Thomas Evans
Posts: 23,347
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US


sara kiesling wrote:
Minneapolis is a commercial market.  If any agency here wants to be making money, they more often need commercial models, not fashion models.  Out of the girls that I've worked with here, the ones who book the most jobs have been in the 5'4-5'7 range, with perfect skin and teeth.

Yes and no. That's how models make money, "agencies" can make money many different ways, and a lot of them don't involve getting work for their models.

wink



Andrew Thomas Evans
www.andrewthomasevans.com

Dec 12 12 10:42 am  Link  Quote 
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sara kiesling
Posts: 124
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US


Andrew Thomas Evans wrote:
Yes and no. That's how models make money, "agencies" can make money many different ways, and a lot of them don't involve getting work for their models.

wink



Andrew Thomas Evans
www.andrewthomasevans.com

You're right, I should've said, "if any agency here wants to make money as a result of booking their models jobs (which is the purpose of a modeling agency)" wink

Unfortunately, the agency in question makes their money as a result of those different ways.

Dec 12 12 02:03 pm  Link  Quote 
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John Abbott Photography
Posts: 22
Chicago, Illinois, US


I know I'm late to the game here, but I thought that my story might help you out.

A while back, there was an "agency" here in Chicago that was looking for photographers.  I was fresh out of school, and a little naive.  So when I saw the ad, I checked in with them.

They loved my portfolio and wanted to work with me.
So they told me the deal.  They would have "models" come in.  They charged them a flat fee for a photo shoot with me. (I think it was $600, but this is from memory.)
Each model would shoot with me, several looks, against a white paper sweep.
Because they were planning on having so many "models", I needed to get a lot of looks of each model for their comp.  All in the space of - get this - 15 minutes.

Since they wanted me to speed through as many of these unsuspecting women as possible (and give them directions, no less!), they would give me $75 a piece.

Now I've rarely felt extremely insulted in my life, but this was one time I felt it.  Granted, I was desperate for work. And as the woman pointed out, by shooting another model every 15 minutes, I could make upwards of $2,400 in an 8 hour day.
All I'd have to do is leave my integrity at the door.

My best guess is that the models are not getting a $500 photo shoot, but $500 for 15-30 minutes in front of a photographer.  I'm just saying....
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John Abbott Photography wrote:
I know I'm late to the game here, but I thought that my story might help you out.

A while back, there was an "agency" here in Chicago that was looking for photographers.  I was fresh out of school, and a little naive.  So when I saw the ad, I checked in with them.

They loved my portfolio and wanted to work with me.
So they told me the deal.  They would have "models" come in.  They charged them a flat fee for a photo shoot with me. (I think it was $600, but this is from memory.)
Each model would shoot with me, several looks, against a white paper sweep.
Because they were planning on having so many "models", I needed to get a lot of looks of each model for their comp.  All in the space of - get this - 15 minutes.

Since they wanted me to speed through as many of these unsuspecting women as possible (and give them directions, no less!), they would give me $75 a piece.

Now I've rarely felt extremely insulted in my life, but this was one time I felt it.  Granted, I was desperate for work. And as the woman pointed out, by shooting another model every 15 minutes, I could make upwards of $2,400 in an 8 hour day.
All I'd have to do is leave my integrity at the door.

My best guess is that the models are not getting a $500 photo shoot, but $500 for 15-30 minutes in front of a photographer.  I'm just saying....

Thank you for taking the time to share your story.

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