Now that Kerry is rumored to be considered for Sec of Defense, FOX is literally running all the old Swiftboat material. One Swiftboat commercial makes it look like Kerry is saying some pretty awful things but it turns out Kerry is reading about some of the horrors of war and the ad completely takes this out of context.
One FOX pundit says Kerry is qualified because he likes to windsurf so that makes him qualified to be in charge of the Navy.
I was wondering what the next thing the Fox crew would get hysterical about. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that they haven't learned that these techniques got them nowhere with Romney.
Faux News is just like the govt. controlled propaganda media back in the USSR, except you had no other alternative to those. It astonishes me that people are watching this crap voluntarily.
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Curt at photoworks wrote: Now that Kerry is rumored to be considered for Sec of Defense, FOX is literally running all the old Swiftboat material. One Swiftboat commercial makes it look like Kerry is saying some pretty awful things but it turns out Kerry is reading about some of the horrors of war and the ad completely takes this out of context.
One FOX pundit says Kerry is qualified because he likes to windsurf so that makes him qualified to be in charge of the Navy.
I was wondering what the next thing the Fox crew would get hysterical about. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that they haven't learned that these techniques got them nowhere with Romney.
Curt at photoworks wrote: Now that Kerry is rumored to be considered for Sec of Defense, FOX is literally running all the old Swiftboat material. One Swiftboat commercial makes it look like Kerry is saying some pretty awful things but it turns out Kerry is reading about some of the horrors of war and the ad completely takes this out of context.
Kerry did make up and say some awful things, and was a huge part of why our Viet Nam vets were treated like crap when they returned home. Yes, I understand that at the time it was "fashionable" to join with the likes of Jane Fonda and to slander our military, but Kerry went above and beyond with his testimony in Congress... which was later determined to be completely false.
Putting Kerry in charge of the military is the most insulting thing one can imagine for all in the military today... talk to any senior person in the military and you will learn that Kerry is probably the most hated, the least respected person one could think of to put in charge. That's not exactly the type person one would put in charge at a time like this... a time where we are all of a sudden losing more top generals/admirals every day to these "scandals".... and some serious morale-rebuilding is going to be needed.
Either someone has a really sick sense of humor, or someone just has some really poor judgement.
Maybe it is just me but I think one of the requirements of being Sec of Defense it to like our military. Also it is nice to not be on record as comparing our troops to those of Gengis Kahn. It would be a plus to wear your ribbons proudly instead of throwing them over the fence.
He was IMO unfit for Command as CIC and is still unfit for command as Sec or Defense. Now if it was the OTHER Senator Kerry, the one who was a boni fide hero (awarded the Medal of Honor) then that I could support.
Curt at photoworks wrote: Now that Kerry is rumored to be considered for Sec of Defense, FOX is literally running all the old Swiftboat material. One Swiftboat commercial makes it look like Kerry is saying some pretty awful things but it turns out Kerry is reading about some of the horrors of war and the ad completely takes this out of context.
Lightcraft Studio wrote: Kerry did make up and say some awful things, and was a huge part of why our Viet Nam vets were treated like crap when they returned home. Yes, I understand that at the time it was "fashionable" to join with the likes of Jane Fonda and to slander our military, but Kerry went above and beyond with his testimony in Congress... which was later determined to be completely false.
Putting Kerry in charge of the military is the most insulting thing one can imagine for all in the military today... talk to any senior person in the military and you will learn that Kerry is probably the most hated, the least respected person one could think of to put in charge. That's not exactly the type person one would put in charge at a time like this... a time where we are all of a sudden losing more top generals/admirals every day to these "scandals".... and some serious morale-rebuilding is going to be needed.
Either someone has a really sick sense of humor, or someone just has some really poor judgement.
If you're just going to cut and paste from the Fox web site, you should at least make that clear!
Kerry did make up and say some awful things, and was a huge part of why our Viet Nam vets were treated like crap when they returned home. Yes, I understand that at the time it was "fashionable" to join with the likes of Jane Fonda and to slander our military, but Kerry went above and beyond with his testimony in Congress... which was later determined to be completely false.
Putting Kerry in charge of the military is the most insulting thing one can imagine for all in the military today... talk to any senior person in the military and you will learn that Kerry is probably the most hated, the least respected person one could think of to put in charge. That's not exactly the type person one would put in charge at a time like this... a time where we are all of a sudden losing more top generals/admirals every day to these "scandals".... and some serious morale-rebuilding is going to be needed.
Either someone has a really sick sense of humor, or someone just has some really poor judgement.
I don't know where you're getting your information, but I watched Kerry's testimony before Congress and I didn't hear a single thing that was false. I'm a decorated Vietnam Vet, and I know first hand about the culture that brought on the disenchantment, drug use, atrocities, and collapse of public support for the war. You would need to get away from the Swiftboating mentality if you ever want to understand that time in American history. Kerry didn't make that stuff up. He saw it with his own eyes, as did I.
Tropic Light wrote: I don't know where you're getting your information, but I watched Kerry's testimony before Congress and I didn't hear a single thing that was false. I'm a decorated Vietnam Vet, and I know first hand about the culture that brought on the disenchantment, drug use, atrocities, and collapse of public support for the war. You would need to get away from the Swiftboating mentality if you ever want to understand that time in American history. Kerry didn't make that stuff up. He saw it with his own eyes, as did I.
Even if you do believe in what Kerry did and said, I still couldn't think of a single more demoralizing figure to put in the position of SecDef... except perhaps Jane Fonda. Why would anyone in their right mind even suggest him at a time like this?
Tropic Light wrote: I don't know where you're getting your information, but I watched Kerry's testimony before Congress and I didn't hear a single thing that was false. I'm a decorated Vietnam Vet, and I know first hand about the culture that brought on the disenchantment, drug use, atrocities, and collapse of public support for the war. You would need to get away from the Swiftboating mentality if you ever want to understand that time in American history. Kerry didn't make that stuff up. He saw it with his own eyes, as did I.
I watched it a few years ago on youtube and found the young men quite impressive and raising interesting points ("how do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?"). Strangely very different from the somewhat dreary, unenergetic candidate that ran for President in 2004.
Even if you do believe in what Kerry did and said, I still couldn't think of a single more demoralizing figure to put in the position of SecDef... except perhaps Jane Fonda. Why would anyone in their right mind even suggest him at a time like this?
Karl Rove was the architect of the Swiftboating tactic. "Attack their strengths, not their weaknesses", and among Kerry's strengths is that he is a decorated combat Vet who wasn't afraid to put his ass on the line for his country. That just shows how far neocons will stoop to denigrate an honorable man. I don't know how Kerry would do as SecDef, (I'd rather keep Panetta) but he certainly has the qualifications. The only ones who would think otherwise are the Kool-Aid drinkers who immerse themselves in Fox noise.
Karl Rove was the architect of the Swiftboating tactic. "Attack their strengths, not their weaknesses", and among Kerry's strengths is that he is a decorated combat Vet who wasn't afraid to put his ass on the line for his country. That just shows how far neocons will stoop to denigrate an honorable man. I don't know how Kerry would do as SecDef, (I'd rather keep Panetta) but he certainly has the qualifications. The only ones who would think otherwise are the Kool-Aid drinkers who immerse themselves in Fox noise.
We're not going to get anywhere by re-arguing the whole SwiftBoat thing again... we never got past partisan politics the last time around.
I watched the hearings live (not just the youtube excerpts available today), and read the book... and weighing all that, coupled with Kerry's own retractions on certain points, I tend to believe the many who dispute his actions.
But... regardless of who you believe on his military "career"... he's still an extremely unlikely choice for a position like SecDef.... unless your goal is to demoralize our military.
Tropic Light wrote: Karl Rove was the architect of the Swiftboating tactic. "Attack their strengths, not their weaknesses", and among Kerry's strengths is that he is a decorated combat Vet who wasn't afraid to put his ass on the line for his country. That just shows how far neocons will stoop to denigrate an honorable man. I don't know how Kerry would do as SecDef, (I'd rather keep Panetta) but he certainly has the qualifications. The only ones who would think otherwise are the Kool-Aid drinkers who immerse themselves in Fox noise.
The man was wounded three times in action as I understand it (he was awarded three Purple Hearts) - that's not a fact that anyone can just spin away, right? He volunteered for the service, he could have stayed in college instead, like Dick Cheney did to avoid the draft.
I do not recall the likes of Limbaugh having served in Vietnam, in fact he was conveniently classified ineligible thanks to a report prepared by own physician, who claimed he had a cyst on his butt crack. An easily treatable condition, by the way - but enough to get this chickenhawk off the hook and allow him to spill his hatred on better men decades later.
We're not going to get anywhere by re-arguing the whole SwiftBoat thing again... we never got past partisan politics the last time around.
I watched the hearings live (not just the youtube excerpts available today), and read the book... and weighing all that, coupled with Kerry's own retractions on certain points, I tend to believe the many who dispute his actions.
But... regardless of who you believe on his military "career"... he's still an extremely unlikely choice for a position like SecDef.... unless your goal is to demoralize our military.
As I understand it, his name has only been floated, and then Fox reacted with the usual pablum to feed to their sheep.
Tropic Light wrote: As I understand it, his name has only been floated, and then Fox reacted with the usual pablum to feed to their sheep.
Agreed... no one has appointed him yet, and I understand that we're talking about a hypothetical appointment. Anyway, it's no secret that he has been wanting the SOS job instead... that that one might be on the table as well.
The man was wounded three times in action as I understand it (he was awarded three Purple Hearts) - that's not a fact that anyone can just spin away, right? He volunteered for the service, he could have stayed in college instead, like Dick Cheney did to avoid the draft.
I do not recall the likes of Limbaugh having served in Vietnam, in fact he was conveniently classified ineligible thanks to a report prepared by own physician, who claimed he had a cyst on his butt crack. An easily treatable condition, by the way - but enough to get this chickenhawk off the hook and allow him to spill his hatred on better men decades later.
Yes. If Ike, JFK, or GHW Bush had been subjected to the same treatment for their war exploits, there probably would have been a public outcry. But times have changed, and Lee Atwater's legacy of dirty politics lives on through Karl Rove. Many of the chickenhawks like Cheney, Limbaugh, Hannity and Rove should STFU.
Tropic Light wrote: Yes. If Ike, JFK, or GHW Bush had been subjected to the same treatment for their war exploits, there probably would have been a public outcry. But times have changed, and Lee Atwater's legacy of dirty politics lives on through Karl Rove. Many of the chickenhawks like Cheney, Limbaugh, Hannity and Rove should STFU.
Remember Dan Rather's fake National Guard story on GWB on the eve of his election?
I don't know about the whole swift boat controversy.
I know in general that Kerry was awarded the Silver Star, the Bronze Star (neither of which comes cheap, for the education of all us states-bound people), and three Purple Hearts. He then was a primary figure for Vietnam Veterans Against the War - and in retrospect, it would appear that they were more correct than the hawks who kept sending in America's youth to be traumatized or killed.
It's one thing for a Clinton or Romney, draft evaders, to talk about what's good or bad about the military and sending people into combat. Kerry earned the right to do so. That doesn't qualify him for SecDef, but it gives him military creds.
Remember Dan Rather's fake National Guard story on GWB on the eve of his election?
Yes, and Rather later regretted running with the story because it lacked the proper verification. The story has never been proven to be fraudulent though.
Yes, and Rather later regretted running with the story because it lacked the proper verification. The story has never been proven to be fraudulent though.
Yes it was... and he fought the firing by CBS in several courts, and lost every step of the way when the evidence was presented.
Tropic Light wrote: Yes. If Ike, JFK, or GHW Bush had been subjected to the same treatment for their war exploits, there probably would have been a public outcry. But times have changed, and Lee Atwater's legacy of dirty politics lives on through Karl Rove. Many of the chickenhawks like Cheney, Limbaugh, Hannity and Rove should STFU.
Well to be fair, Lee Atwater did recant on his deathbed:
"I was wrong to follow the meanness of Conservatism. I should have been trying to help people instead of take advantage of them. I don't hate anyone anymore. For the first time in my life I don't hate somebody."
I highly doubt you'll hear something like that from poor imitations of human beings like Karl Rove or Rush Limbaugh on their deathbeds, but you'll never know. If these people honestly believe in the God they're always flaunting in our faces, then the prospect of going to hell for all their many sins might just scare them enough in their final days to repent.
Yes it was... and he fought the firing by CBS in several courts, and lost every step of the way when the evidence was presented.
Yes, and he paid the price for it with his termination. When is Fox news going to do the same with the "journalists" that make up their stories, or even better when will you start calling for them to do it? That would be impressive.
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are on average separated by fewer than 300,000 viewers in the 25- to
54-year-old demographic that advertisers desire. On three nights in a
row after the election last week, MSNBC — whose hosts reveled in Mr.
Obama’s victory — had more viewers than Fox in that demographic."
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