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Pascal Flor
Posts: 82
Berlin, Berlin, Germany


Hi folks,

I wonder what to look for in the specifications of a monitor? What are the most important things for a decent monitor for editing/retouching?

IPS, gamut, etc?
Nov 14 12 02:41 am  Link  Quote 
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Neil Snape
Posts: 9,470
Paris, Île-de-France, France


IPS is imperative, yet the gamut is secondary. The advantage of a high gamut monitor is the rare cases where you have colours beyond your current devices capabilities. Since most are editing for print or web, the really high gamut monitors are useful but for future repurposing of images.

I use a HP 2480zx the world's highest gamut commercially available edit and film monitor.

It is a pain in the arse to calibrate and between applications other than Adobe, there are surprises that you wouldn't have with less gamut.

IPS with separate rgb LEDs are by far the best.  Gamut, not to worry too much, any NEC with IPS and separate LEDs will be great.

Make sure you make or buy a hood, and a calibrator of some sort.
Nov 14 12 02:54 am  Link  Quote 
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Pascal Flor
Posts: 82
Berlin, Berlin, Germany


Neil Snape wrote:
IPS is imperative, yet the gamut is secondary. The advantage of a high gamut monitor is the rare cases where you have colours beyond your current devices capabilities. Since most are editing for print or web, the really high gamut monitors are useful but for future repurposing of images.

I use a HP 2480zx the world's highest gamut commercially available edit and film monitor.

It is a pain in the arse to calibrate and between applications other than Adobe, there are surprises that you wouldn't have with less gamut.

IPS with separate rgb LEDs are by far the best.  Gamut, not to worry too much, any NEC with IPS and separate LEDs will be great.

Make sure you make or buy a hood, and a calibrator of some sort.

Calibrator is already in. Just wonder what really is important for editing/retouching. Know that the NEC/EIZO and those kind of monitors are good for our kind of desirements. But I would like to understand what specifactions are important. The marked is full of different monitors and I quiet don't know which specs to compare :-/

Neil, fucking nice monitor you got! ;-)

Nov 14 12 02:59 am  Link  Quote 
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Krunoslav Stifter
Posts: 3,865
Santa Cruz, California, US


Neil Snape wrote:
IPS is imperative, yet the gamut is secondary. The advantage of a high gamut monitor is the rare cases where you have colours beyond your current devices capabilities. Since most are editing for print or web, the really high gamut monitors are useful but for future repurposing of images.

I use a HP 2480zx the world's highest gamut commercially available edit and film monitor.

It is a pain in the arse to calibrate and between applications other than Adobe, there are surprises that you wouldn't have with less gamut.

IPS with separate rgb LEDs are by far the best.  Gamut, not to worry too much, any NEC with IPS and separate LEDs will be great.

Make sure you make or buy a hood, and a calibrator of some sort.

Pretty much what was said here. Panel in number one priority, calibrator is second, Monitor Hood or proper ambient light is third and fourth is color gamut which ultimately depends on your color managed or unmanaged workflow.  If web is the only space your are displaying and/or viewing your images stick to standard gamut monitors that cover roughly the range of colors found in sRGB. If you are preparing for print especially if you are preparing for printing on wider gamut printers than wide gamut monitor (covers the range of colors close to Adobe RGB 1998) is a better option. But unfortunately you also might ran into problems with not color managed applications as you can see here: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … age=1#last

But at the end of the day it's your personal and professional standards that will give you best indication what works for you. Not everyone have the same standards so define them and than buy accordingly. Just my 2 cents.

EDIT: look for IPS panel, and decide what you need wide or standard gamut monitor, the rest of the specifications are important but not that important. Outside monitor itself if you are looking for a color managed workflow than you will need calibrator device, ambient light matching the print or viewing condition and/or monitor hood and from software you will need the use and understanding of proper monitor calibrated profile and working color profiles like (Adobe RGB 1998, ProPhoto RGB, sRGB etc) as well as output profiles for printing if you care for soft proofing. And ultimately you need color managed applications to read those profiles.


P.S.
I'm preparing an in depth set of tutorials DVD on the whole process if you or anyone else is curious stay tuned. smile

Nov 14 12 03:03 am  Link  Quote 
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Neil Snape
Posts: 9,470
Paris, Île-de-France, France


Specs>

viewing angle for you and clients.170º is very good
bit depth fo corrections> 14 bit is best this allows 12 bit panel operation and 2 bits for log corrections. 10 bit per channel video card out is only possible on PCs through Display port.
gamut 98% of Adobe RGB is excellent already.

contrast 250:1 is already fine for editing. In fact those at 400:1 or more often cannot have a black separation.

grey correction is important but there is no spec for that. There Quato and Eizo excel .

Calibration software. Since you're in Germany BasicColor is your best option and the one delivered with Spectraview in Europe. Otherwise the Eizo has it's own perfectly fine soft.
Those are good as they allow monitor hardware CLUTS rather than video card CLUTS which effectively clip signals and DR.
Nov 14 12 03:20 am  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Pascal Flor
Posts: 82
Berlin, Berlin, Germany


Krunoslav-Stifter wrote:

Pretty much what was said here. Panel in number one priority, calibrator is second, Monitor Hood or proper ambient light is third and fourth is color gamut which ultimately depends on your color managed or unmanaged workflow.  If web is the only space your are displaying and/or viewing your images stick to standard gamut monitors that cover roughly the range of colors found in sRGB. If you are preparing for print especially if you are preparing for printing on wider gamut printers than wide gamut monitor (covers the range of colors close to Adobe RGB 1998) is a better option. But unfortunately you also might ran into problems with not color managed applications as you can see here: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … age=1#last

But at the end of the day it's your personal and professional standards that will give you best indication what works for you. Not everyone have the same standards so define them and than buy accordingly. Just my 2 cents.

EDIT: look for IPS panel, and decide what you need wide or standard gamut monitor, the rest of the specifications are important but not that important. Outside monitor itself if you are looking for a color managed workflow than you will need calibrator device, ambient light matching the print or viewing condition and/or monitor hood and from software you will need the use and understanding of proper monitor calibrated profile and working color profiles like (Adobe RGB 1998, ProPhoto RGB, sRGB etc) as well as output profiles for printing if you care for soft proofing. And ultimately you need color managed applications to read those profiles.


P.S.
I'm preparing an in depth set of tutorials DVD on the whole process if you or anyone else is curious stay tuned. smile

Sounds good! Already thanks for the advice! Think I'll go for a monitor with 100% sRGB values. It'll be a secondary monitor for the freelance work in an office. I don't want to take all my equipment with me, so I try to get away a bit cheap but not crappy ;-)

When I started out, I had major issues with color/ICC profiles(all the stuff related to that) and learned a lot of this theme. So, I rarely stumble on profile issues anymore, but you never learn enough, right? :-)


Cool! You know that I like your "D&B" DVD, so looking forward for some more stuff and jokes from your side ;-D

Nov 14 12 03:25 am  Link  Quote 
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Krunoslav Stifter
Posts: 3,865
Santa Cruz, California, US


Pascal Flor wrote:
Cool! You know that I like your "D&B" DVD, so looking forward for some more stuff and jokes from your side ;-D

Thank you. Will keep posting as I go along. I'm currently recording the first half of the DVD and that part is all about color management, bit depth, file formats, resolution and all that stuff What you asked about monitor purchase is also included.

Nov 14 12 03:30 am  Link  Quote 
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Pascal Flor
Posts: 82
Berlin, Berlin, Germany


Krunoslav-Stifter wrote:

Thank you. Will keep posting as I go along. I'm currently recording the first half of the DVD and that part is all about color management, bit depth, file formats, resolution and all that stuff What you asked about monitor purchase is also included.

Good theme to cover in a DVD, as you see so many topics regarding this theme!

Nov 14 12 03:32 am  Link  Quote 
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