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Ben Hinman
Posts: 596
Westwood, California, US


I find it hard to find any sort of paid shoots on modelmayhem. The main reason being, everyone on here is industry folk and everyone on here thinks they deserve to get paid. You'll find it hard to find any photographer worth a damn thats going to pay, when they can just find TF. Same goes for any photographer expecting models to pay them! Less experienced photographers might pay more experienced models for shoots to build their portfolio up but i'm guessing you're not at that level yet. Try lowering your rates and don't expect anyone with a complete portfolio to ever pay for any shoot they're not going to profit from, its counterproductive. Instead, try advertising your modeling services through an agency, publications or anywhere people are actually looking for a commercial application of your skills.
Nov 16 12 01:55 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 11,864
Olivet, Michigan, US


Melodye Joy wrote:
As a model, I find it difficult to get any PAID work.

My resume keeps adding up, my expertise grows with each shoot...so what am I doing wrong?

My rates are both flexiable and reasonable, I believe.....

-They are based on a full 8-12 hr day shoot

-They are broken down to three types; portfolio, editorial, implied/artistic

-They each include travel expense (local up to 2hrs away)

I also know how our individual lives are and I note a willingness to proceed with a small $25 down payment (average half the fuel it would take to get to said shoot) and up to 90 days for full payment (check, money order, transfer, ect)....

What am I doing wrong?!  Am I not worthy of being PAID for a service provided? Or am I just a push over when it comes to TF/Free/Buy me coffee and I'll be there type shoots?!

Any advice would be wonderful!
xo
Bless!

Can't give a specific critique here, but it comes down to whether you have something to offer that the photographer / client values enough to pay cash for and can't get without doing so.  Might be a look, might be skill, might be wardrobe, might be the willingness to shoot a certain style.  Also, I don't know what your rates are, but the rates a lot of models consider "reasonable" are more than a week's pay for some people for 4-6 hours.  It might simply be that no one who is interested can pay that much. 

Or, it might be that you consider the 'service provided" by you, and not by them.  Are you asking for gas money in advance when someone's going to pay you?  Deposits, especially paying deposits to internet models, will cause a lot of potential paying clients to look elsewhere.

Nov 16 12 02:33 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 11,864
Olivet, Michigan, US


-B-R-U-N-E-S-C-I- wrote:
a) Ridiculously high rates.

b) Doesn't shoot nudes (implied only)

c) Long and demanding 3rd person profile with lots of conditions

d) $25 booking fee

e) No option to book less than a full day

f) Claims to shoot implied nude but has none in her portfolio

g) Who the hell is "Melodye Joy"?


Shall I go on?



Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com
Melodye Joy wrote:
1) Thank you, that was exactly what I needed an answer on, I am considering everyone's suggestions and should have a revised portfolio later on.

2) Im sorry to disappoint, but I don't feel the need to show my body off in order to get published, get paid or get noticed..period.

3) Professional profile with a lot of "conditions" because it seems far too often people who are "professional" don't bother reading information that is pertinate or note worthy. At least it's out there now, rather than someone finding out later cause "oops, I forgot to tell you/by the way" is a worse shut door, yes?

4 & 5) te booking fee goes towards the rate and the rate was on a daily basis only due past experience. That is something I am considering changing shortly. Thanks!

6) My last implied/nude shoot was two years ago. I have a different look now, I am 28 and not 26, I have 12 tattoos and not 3...the portfolio has changed as I have changed. Your welcome to view older doings in other social media or my website, but that's up to you.

7) I am Melodye Joy, noice to meet you.

Have a great week and weekend, Stefano

You are the one who says things aren't going the way you'd like.  If you're trying to get $75 an hour, for full days, for fully clothed work as a short, older (for a model) model, I'm amazed and impressed that ANYONE pays.  Even more so since there seems to be issues with your profile as well.  I haven't looked, but given all of that, you must be extremely skilled.

Nov 16 12 02:49 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 11,864
Olivet, Michigan, US


Jojo West wrote:
I'm no expert at this, but personally I wouldn't list the actual rates on your profile. It's not a good sales/marketing technique (part of my day job).

As a model, in your area especially, you have to have more to offer than just your look, so you should try to get a dialog started with someone who's interested. If they go to your profile, and they were budgeting lower than your rates, they immediately move on. If you get a dialog going, little things like your flexibility, willingness to work with them, or personality (from what they can tell) may help you close the deal.

This is from my profile, it's worked out well for me, it's just an example:

"If you're interested in shooting nudes, implied nudes or fetish, my rates are very reasonable, unless you have stunning work, my clothes don't come off for free.
You can also make me an offer and we can go from there. Willing to do TF work if it will benefit my portfolio. TF work with full team will take priority."

Personally, whether I intended to pay for a specific project, "my clothes don't come off for free" would immediately convince me to move on.  Just the mentality it suggests isn't conducive to meeting my goals.

Nov 16 12 02:52 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Melodye Joy
Posts: 542
Rancho Cucamonga, California, US


In Balance Photography wrote:

Why do you think the onus is being put on you to take care of lining up the other collaborators?

Honestly, In Balance, I am not sure..going to have to make some changes and see what may arise smile

Nov 16 12 03:09 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Melodye Joy
Posts: 542
Rancho Cucamonga, California, US


Robert Jewett wrote:
You are very nice. 

But at the same time you are arguing with everyone here when it is clear you really don't know the industry. 

Want to be treated like a professional?  Use terms the way a professional would.  Charge rates a professional would, do market research the way a professional would.  Quit talking to people in your home town.  See what "petite" means to IMG/FORD/LA Models.

THe reply from you shouldn't be something like (paraphrased obviously), "Gee.  thanks for our input, I disagree.  I think there is room in fashion for girls that are 5' 2"."

There is no room.  Listen to the professionals who are telling you this.
Otherwise, why even bother asking the question?

My apologies, Robert, if you feel I am arguing with anyone on the matter and question I brought to attention.

I might state my opinion or feel that I need not do an aspect of modeling that I am not fully comfortable with, just to make/get a paid gig.

As for my forst inquiry concerning the professional rates, those have sense been changed more to the liking of any and all involved.

Thanks for the information and suggestions

Nov 16 12 03:15 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Melodye Joy
Posts: 542
Rancho Cucamonga, California, US


Star wrote:

repost in critique

Thanks for the suggestion, Star. I have gotten some great suggestions and I am moving forward with what's best for all concerned.

There is no need to seek further information via critiques at this moment but I will certainly take note for any other inquiry I have. smile

Nov 16 12 03:17 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Melodye Joy
Posts: 542
Rancho Cucamonga, California, US


Ben Hinman wrote:
I find it hard to find any sort of paid shoots on modelmayhem. The main reason being, everyone on here is industry folk and everyone on here thinks they deserve to get paid. You'll find it hard to find any photographer worth a damn thats going to pay, when they can just find TF. Same goes for any photographer expecting models to pay them! Less experienced photographers might pay more experienced models for shoots to build their portfolio up but i'm guessing you're not at that level yet. Try lowering your rates and don't expect anyone with a complete portfolio to ever pay for any shoot they're not going to profit from, its counterproductive. Instead, try advertising your modeling services through an agency, publications or anywhere people are actually looking for a commercial application of your skills.

I never thought of advertising via publication! Thanks for that one, Ben smile

Nov 16 12 03:19 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Melodye Joy
Posts: 542
Rancho Cucamonga, California, US


Art of the nude wrote:

Personally, whether I intended to pay for a specific project, "my clothes don't come off for free" would immediately convince me to move on.  Just the mentality it suggests isn't conducive to meeting my goals.

Thanks for the suggestions and critique, Art.
I will take note and see what else (if anything) needs to be changed, wither it be rates or portfolio images.

Thanks!

Nov 16 12 03:22 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
angel emily
Posts: 1,020
Boston, Massachusetts, US


Why is your profile written in the 3rd person?
Nov 16 12 04:50 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Ben Hinman
Posts: 596
Westwood, California, US


Advertising is an important part of this industry. You can't expect people to seek you out, you've got to make an effort to make yourself available. The more you work on your advertising, the more clients you're going to bring and the more selective you can be about your rates. Here are some ideas i've already researched, although some may cost you a pretty penny:

The smallest display ad in the LA weekly costs 125$. A line ad costs 13$, 9$ if you run it 4 weeks in a row. Sites like vistaprint and modernpostcard.com offer the ability to design your own postcards, print them in bulk and then pick a specific demographic to use for your mailing list. It costs about 1300$ to mail out 2500 postcards to the highest income houses in Los Angeles. It may be different based on your location. Other ideas include buying facebook ad credit, subscribing to a pay-per-click ad service that links to your website, or creating promotional stunts and controversy and getting it published in local blogs.
Nov 17 12 08:14 am  Link  Quote 
Model
P I X I E
Posts: 35,308
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


model emily  wrote:
Why is your profile written in the 3rd person?

Yeah, that's kinda tacky.

Nov 17 12 06:01 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Top Level Studio
Posts: 3,253
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada


Your height is not an issue, but your fee arrangement is.  Nobody books 8-12 hour shoots, and the model is always paid at the end of the shoot, on the spot.

Most non-commercial shoots run 2-3 hours, no more.  For most models, if they want to work all day, they'll line up shoots with 2 or 3 photographers within a relatively small area.

Also, your mention of 4 hours for makeup makes no sense, unless you're talking about some special effects shoot, with full body painting or the like, and even that should take less than two hours.

If you take a look at my port, you'll see one 44-year-old model and one 31-year-old.  Those images were both published in well-known magazines.  The rest of the models are 26 years old or younger.

As for height, half the images in my port are of models that are 5' 3" or less.
Nov 17 12 08:08 pm  Link  Quote 
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Rachael Bueckert
Posts: 1,121
Red Deer, Alberta, Canada


How is "publishing" and "writing" an add-on? I must be missing something. Do you mean it costs more money to publish you? You charge extra to write about you? Do you sell short stories? This little piece is very confusing, im sure im not the only one who would think so...
Nov 17 12 09:51 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
MB JenB
Posts: 2,978
Clarksville, Tennessee, US


Melodye Joy wrote:
Thanks, Robert. I have sought agencies but none will take me on, being that I am a petite and also an older model (though I do have a "young" face)...

...

I'm not young either and suggest seeking agencies that hire "life-style" and commercial models or "mature."

I know I've got reasons that limit me getting signed but, I plan on getting signed anyways. smile!
Jen

Nov 17 12 10:01 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Melodye Joy
Posts: 542
Rancho Cucamonga, California, US


model emily  wrote:
Why is your profile written in the 3rd person?

Model Emily,

I wrote the profile in 3rd person because I felt speaking of myself in first sounded too...it just wasn't right in my opinion.

Also thought it added further creative flare and pop. smile

Nov 17 12 10:04 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Melodye Joy
Posts: 542
Rancho Cucamonga, California, US


Ben Hinman wrote:
Advertising is an important part of this industry. You can't expect people to seek you out, you've got to make an effort to make yourself available. The more you work on your advertising, the more clients you're going to bring and the more selective you can be about your rates. Here are some ideas i've already researched, although some may cost you a pretty penny:

The smallest display ad in the LA weekly costs 125$. A line ad costs 13$, 9$ if you run it 4 weeks in a row. Sites like vistaprint and modernpostcard.com offer the ability to design your own postcards, print them in bulk and then pick a specific demographic to use for your mailing list. It costs about 1300$ to mail out 2500 postcards to the highest income houses in Los Angeles. It may be different based on your location. Other ideas include buying facebook ad credit, subscribing to a pay-per-click ad service that links to your website, or creating promotional stunts and controversy and getting it published in local blogs.

Thanks for the advertising advice, Ben! Very helpful. I will look into where to start with that as well. smile

Nov 17 12 10:06 pm  Link  Quote 
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Melodye Joy
Posts: 542
Rancho Cucamonga, California, US


P I X I E wrote:

Yeah, that's kinda tacky.

Sorry you feel that 3rd person is a tacky way to write a profile, but I am of the mind that speaking in first person of myself and how good I am is even more tacky. Just my thoughts though.

Nov 17 12 10:08 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Melodye Joy
Posts: 542
Rancho Cucamonga, California, US


Top Level Studio wrote:
Your height is not an issue, but your fee arrangement is.  Nobody books 8-12 hour shoots, and the model is always paid at the end of the shoot, on the spot.

Most non-commercial shoots run 2-3 hours, no more.  For most models, if they want to work all day, they'll line up shoots with 2 or 3 photographers within a relatively small area.

Also, your mention of 4 hours for makeup makes no sense, unless you're talking about some special effects shoot, with full body painting or the like, and even that should take less than two hours.

If you take a look at my port, you'll see one 44-year-old model and one 31-year-old.  Those images were both published in well-known magazines.  The rest of the models are 26 years old or younger.

As for height, half the images in my port are of models that are 5' 3" or less.

Thank you for the input, Top Level Studio.

Glad to see that you photograph models of all sizes, heights, age. Very cool!

Also, my portfolio as since been changed around and I no longer indicate such information as 8-12hrs to shoot, base day rates, makeup (4 hrs, cost, ect).

Thanks!

Nov 17 12 10:12 pm  Link  Quote 
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Melodye Joy
Posts: 542
Rancho Cucamonga, California, US


Rachael Bueckert wrote:
How is "publishing" and "writing" an add-on? I must be missing something. Do you mean it costs more money to publish you? You charge extra to write about you? Do you sell short stories? This little piece is very confusing, im sure im not the only one who would think so...

Add-ons;
-Publishing indicates that I, too, can inquire with a number of publications if a photographer so requests.

-Writing, yes, indicates that I do write in creative and journalistic form if anyone needs my services for that as well.

Thanks!

Nov 17 12 10:14 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
lauren sasha
Posts: 1
Brooklyn, New York, US


Robert Jewett wrote:
Vogue pays $150 for a six page spread to the model.  Ford Models in Phoenix Get about that for a runway show (including makeup time, etc.).

Just points of reference.

Sorry, but that doesn't mean anything and is a shitty excuse to underpay someone. Vogue does that (and can get away with it) because they're Vogue. People would pay to be in Vogue. The same can't be said about most other publications or people. Don't justify shitty rates based on an exceptional situation.

Nov 17 12 10:43 pm  Link  Quote 
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LA StarShooter
Posts: 1,818
Los Angeles, California, US


I looked at your profile within the last month. I'm glad to see changes. People write about themselves in the third person because it sounds more epic and allows grander statements to be made, as it is not written in the voice of the actual person, where it would sound rather pompous.

"In a galaxy far, far, far away, a young model made her way into the world riding on the back of a dolphin-like creature. Her planet had too much gas and she was suddenly burped out into space and she spun like a roulette wheel through earth's atmosphere, however, she landed more gently than could be supposed, floating down on a peyote-like giant mushroom. When she landed she was hungry so she ate the mushroom. To her surprise she shrunk down from 6 feet to five foot 2, and discovered that although she was more beautiful than the new tribe of underfeed skanks that she was forced to join, she could not get much work, even as an alien fashion model for she was too short for planet earth. THE END."

You're likable. But you have  a whole bunch of tattoos, and it appears that the NAkED TRuTH is the only path for you to profitably follow.
Nov 17 12 11:09 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Melodye Joy
Posts: 542
Rancho Cucamonga, California, US


lauren sasha wrote:

Sorry, but that doesn't mean anything and is a shitty excuse to underpay someone. Vogue does that (and can get away with it) because they're Vogue. People would pay to be in Vogue. The same can't be said about most other publications or people. Don't justify shitty rates based on an exceptional situation.

Thank you for pointing this out, Lauren! I agree 100%...no one should settle on the least pay possible just because someone of such caliber as Vogue, Ford...can get away with paying their models $150...but also those models receive further, consistent offers for runway/events/shoots, ect...

Thanks again!

Nov 17 12 11:28 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Melodye Joy
Posts: 542
Rancho Cucamonga, California, US


LA StarShooter wrote:
I looked at your profile within the last month. I'm glad to see changes. People write about themselves in the third person because it sounds more epic and allows grander statements to be made, as it is not written in the voice of the actual person, where it would sound rather pompous.

"In a galaxy far, far, far away, a young model made her way into the world riding on the back of a dolphin-like creature. Her planet had too much gas and she was suddenly burped out into space and she spun like a roulette wheel through earth's atmosphere, however, she landed more gently than could be supposed, floating down on a peyote-like giant mushroom. When she landed she was hungry so she ate the mushroom. To her surprise she shrunk down from 6 feet to five foot 2, and discovered that although she was more beautiful than the new tribe of underfeed skanks that she was forced to join, she could not get much work, even as an alien fashion model for she was too short for planet earth. THE END."

You're likable. But you have  a whole bunch of tattoos, and it appears that the NAkED TRuTH is the only path for you to profitably follow.

Thanks for your opinion and comments/critique, LA StarShooter.

I really don't prefer to do naked/nude/implied and I don't feel the need to take on paid shoots via such genre. If I am to be paid, I'd rather it merit on beauty/fashion/accessories modeling.

Thanks much!

Nov 17 12 11:30 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
LA StarShooter
Posts: 1,818
Los Angeles, California, US


Melodye Joy wrote:

LA StarShooter wrote:
I
I really don't prefer to do naked/nude/implied and I don't feel the need to take on paid shoots via such genre. If I am to be paid, I'd rather it merit on beauty/fashion/accessories llamaing.

Thanks much!

You have 12 tattoos according to your profile, if I'm not mistaken. And it is pompous to write about one self in the third person. Julius Caesar could do it but he meet the Gauls, he did battle with them and he saw men dyed in blue woad and knew of their fabulous collections of decapitated heads stored in chests, and, he did land in Britain and Druid priests tried to curse him, whereas, as a llama, you should just lead with your credits which are rather nice, some of them. I am, by the way, all too familiar with Rancho Cucamonga and the sad thing that happened to that slice of former orchard land and vineyards. I hate what has happened to it. I mean how to do you like destruction? For a short while when I was little I played in orchards, I would visit a chicken ranch and get free eggs, and up in Alta Loma, I saw a deer nibbling on grapes.

What has happened to that beautiful land? How could you ask someone how they liked it how that it is plagued with cookie cutter houses and how can you think that with your twelve tattoos something like, say, Vogue or fashion house work is just a matter of seconds away from happening? As, isn't it hope, not reason that is really driving you in this mad quest?

Nov 17 12 11:45 pm  Link  Quote 
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Designit - Edward Olson
Posts: 1,631
Eureka, California, US


There once was someone who was delusional and egotistical and condescending and no matter what realistic advice anyone gave them, the advice was going to be wrong because it wasn't what that person wanted to hear.

I wrote this in the third person to give it a little flair.
Nov 17 12 11:52 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Melodye Joy
Posts: 542
Rancho Cucamonga, California, US


LA StarShooter wrote:

Melodye Joy wrote:

LA StarShooter wrote:
I
I really don't prefer to do naked/nude/implied and I don't feel the need to take on paid shoots via such genre. If I am to be paid, I'd rather it merit on beauty/fashion/accessories modeling.

Thanks much!

You have 12 tattoos according to your profile, if I'm not mistaken. And it is pompous to write about one self in the third person. Julius Caesar could do it but he meet the Gauls, he did battle with them and he saw men dyed in blue woad and knew of their fabulous collections of decapitated heads stored in chests, and, he did land in Britain and Druid priests tried to curse him, whereas, as a model, you should just lead with your credits which are rather nice, some of them. I am, by the way, all too familiar with Rancho Cucamonga and the sad thing that happened to that slice of former orchard land and vineyards. I hate what has happened to it. I mean how to do you like destruction? For a short while when I was little I played in orchards, I would visit a chicken ranch and get free eggs, and up in Alta Loma, I saw a deer nibbling on grapes.

What has happened to that beautiful land? How could you ask someone how they liked it how that it is plagued with cookie cutter houses and how can you think that with your twelve tattoos something like, say, Vogue or fashion house work is just a matter of seconds away from happening? As, isn't it hope, not reason that is really driving you in this mad quest?

Thanks, LA
I personally find it worse for someone to boast of themselves in the direct context (1st person), but I also don't like writing about myself, no matter the content of work or professionalism I strive to keep.

And I have 12 tattoos, yes, and no, I never said that I would be in Vogue or be chosen for Ford, Elite, Wilhelmina agencies. In fact, that is not my goal. If any of the above occurred, great. But the plan remains to work upwards and start small, concerning paid work, while still remaining true to myself and the standards at which I hold.

Glad your familiar with the area I reside in. Disappointing to see that the lovely orchards and farm town that once was is quite far and between around this area nowadays, Im sure. Unfortunately, I never saw the beauty you describe as I was born in Wyoming and raised in east Texas. Just 8 years ago I moved to southern California and I have only lived in Rancho Cucamonga for 5 years and most recently, I am planning another move more near the LA area for work reasons.

Thanks again for your insight and comments.

Nov 18 12 12:06 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Melodye Joy
Posts: 542
Rancho Cucamonga, California, US


Designit - Edward Olson wrote:
There once was someone who was delusional and egotistical and condescending and no matter what realistic advice anyone gave them, the advice was going to be wrong because it wasn't what that person wanted to hear.

I wrote this in the third person to give it a little flair.

Very creative, Edward.

I find few artists are delusional or egotistical..nor condescending. Perhaps they simply know their limits and hold onto their standards, no matter how long the journey must be traveled.

Thank you for your creative input. smile

Nov 18 12 12:09 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Moore Photo Graphix
Posts: 5,288
Washington, District of Columbia, US


Melodye Joy wrote:
My clientele is open to whomever wishes to collaborate. I keep an open mind as well as a barrier when it comes to any shoot, nude or non-nude.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1vQJFF2TKQ

You seems to forget that not every model is right for a photographer and vice versa. Also when I read your 1st post, your conditions made it difficult for those who wish to collaborate with you go any further because they saw no flexible. In addition, I noticed you've been flip-flopping when it comes to the subject of nudity.

Melodye Joy wrote:
I don't need to compete against anyone who does nude/implied. That isn't a field I have a passion for. If the opportunity arose, I would consider, but otherwise, it's something I don't really prefer.

You can also see my recent revisions in my portfolio that say very little of nude/implied work.

Thanks!

Then why state you're open to nude, when you have no plans to doing them in future. So from what I read, you're open to doing anything with certain restrictions applied, right?

Melodye Joy wrote:
My hopes were to strive for the fellow independent artist that is also in their own business, and then work up by word of mouth and a stable portfolio towards the larger companies/commercial clientele.

Most large companies/commercial clients go to agencies for their work. With money on the line, they're not gonna take a gamble on someone who doesn't have the right look, or a proven track record of success to represent the brand.

Melodye Joy wrote:
In my research, I have found petite to start from 5'0-5'5", depending on the person/business you ask. Perhaps my wording as a petite model is a throw off, being that I am SHORT?..hmm..you gave me more to think about. smile

Thanks!

You need to read these:

http://www.newmodels.com/height.html

http://modelbitch.blogspot.com/2011/05/ … e-you.html

What's petite according to the department store is alot different from Petite in the real world modeling business.

Melodye Joy wrote:
Sorry you feel that 3rd person is a tacky way to write a profile, but I am of the mind that speaking in first person of myself and how good I am is even more tacky. Just my thoughts though.

That demonstrates a lack of originality and authenticity. Shouldn't people like you for who you are and not what you're not?

Melodye Joy wrote:
I really don't prefer to do naked/nude/implied and I don't feel the need to take on paid shoots via such genre. If I am to be paid, I'd rather it merit on beauty/fashion/accessories modeling.

You have a better chance finding any available tickets to the F1 race in Austin, Texas than finding fashion gigs for short models. Last time I check, modeling is a business based on looks, and if you're look isn't right for that type of work, then all the huffing and hollering won't change a thing.

Nov 18 12 12:14 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Melodye Joy
Posts: 542
Rancho Cucamonga, California, US


Moore Photo Graphix wrote:

Melodye Joy wrote:
My clientele is open to whomever wishes to collaborate. I keep an open mind as well as a barrier when it comes to any shoot, nude or non-nude.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1vQJFF2TKQ

You seems to forget that not every model is right for a photographer and vice versa. Also when I read your 1st post, your conditions made it difficult for those who wish to collaborate with you go any further because they saw no flexible. In addition, I noticed you've been flip-flopping when it comes to the subject of nudity.

Melodye Joy wrote:
I don't need to compete against anyone who does nude/implied. That isn't a field I have a passion for. If the opportunity arose, I would consider, but otherwise, it's something I don't really prefer.

You can also see my recent revisions in my portfolio that say very little of nude/implied work.

Thanks!

Then why state you're open to nude, when you have no plans to doing them in future. So from what I read, you're open to doing anything with certain restrictions applied, right?

Melodye Joy wrote:
My hopes were to strive for the fellow independent artist that is also in their own business, and then work up by word of mouth and a stable portfolio towards the larger companies/commercial clientele.

Most large companies/commercial clients go to agencies for their work. With money on the line, they're not gonna take a gamble on someone who doesn't have the right look, or a proven track record of success to represent the brand.

Melodye Joy wrote:
In my research, I have found petite to start from 5'0-5'5", depending on the person/business you ask. Perhaps my wording as a petite model is a throw off, being that I am SHORT?..hmm..you gave me more to think about. smile

Thanks!

You need to read these:

http://www.newmodels.com/height.html

http://modelbitch.blogspot.com/2011/05/ … e-you.html

What's petite according to the department store is alot different from Petite in the real world modeling business.

Melodye Joy wrote:
Sorry you feel that 3rd person is a tacky way to write a profile, but I am of the mind that speaking in first person of myself and how good I am is even more tacky. Just my thoughts though.

That demonstrates a lack of originality and authenticity. Shouldn't people like you for who you are and not what you're not?


You have a better chance finding any available tickets to the F1 race in Austin, Texas than finding fashion gigs for short models. Last time I check, modeling is a business based on looks, and if you're look isn't right for that type of work, then all the huffing and hollering won't change a thing.

Thank you for the comments, Moore.
As I stated previously...I am open to what may come along. Will I take every job or inquiry. Doubtful.

When I began modeling, I did have nude/implied in my portfolio and I was doing such but I have recently come to realize that it is not a genre I wish to continue in as much, but again, it depends on the concept and whither I feel my integrity or standards are at risk if I do any shoot of that genre.

But just as it is not custom for fashion photographers or fashion designers to use a petite, I have gone on to inquire and many have shut the door in my face, where others welcome me to collaborate. I welcome the challenge just the same when inquiring of commercial/print work, for agencies/stores/ect.

Sorry that you feel a 3rd person informational is so un-orgional. If you read further, I also have writing skills and I like to put them to use when available (i.e. creative bio/portfolio). Wrong or right, it is another form in which there are varied opinions of an artist and anyone else for that matter.

As I said a moment ago, it all depends on who/what one is seeking. Wither I am disqualified for age, look, ability, height....that is to the opinion of the inquirer. If they don't need me for a shoot, that is just fine. If they want to take a chance, thats a blessing!

Thanks again for your input smile

Nov 18 12 12:30 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Top Level Studio
Posts: 3,253
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada


Not to be a grammar Nazi or anything, but if you want to look like a writer, you might start using Spell Check.
Nov 18 12 12:56 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
B R U N E S C I
Posts: 25,319
Bath, England, United Kingdom


Melodye Joy wrote:
Sorry you feel that 3rd person is a tacky way to write a profile, but I am of the mind that speaking in first person of myself and how good I am is even more tacky.

Why would you need to tell us "how good" you are? hmm

That should be clearly evident from your portfolio. All you need to say in your profile is what you want to shoot and (hopefully) how enthusiastic you are. A list of conditions, rates, demands and empty assertions of your 'amazingness' (even if written in the 3rd person) isn't going to impress anybody.



Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

Nov 18 12 04:11 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
WIP
Posts: 15,406
Cheltenham, England, United Kingdom


Melodye Joy wrote:
Am I not worthy of being PAID for a service provided?

Your very own words.

Nov 18 12 04:34 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
In Balance Photography
Posts: 3,370
Boston, Massachusetts, US


Melodye Joy wrote:

Honestly, In Balance, I am not sure..going to have to make some changes and see what may arise smile

I would guess this happens because the photographer doesn't see enough value in a trade with you where he or she had to do the leg work of putting together a team - especially since the leg work is going to be harder because of the model (for example there is no way I could find wardrobe for you with out paying someone).

So when you decide to charge the photographer for that it's the kiss of death. They simply move on to an agency model.

Nov 18 12 04:36 am  Link  Quote 
Model
P I X I E
Posts: 35,308
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Melodye Joy wrote:

Sorry you feel that 3rd person is a tacky way to write a profile, but I am of the mind that speaking in first person of myself and how good I am is even more tacky. Just my thoughts though.

hmm

How lovely...

Nov 18 12 06:10 am  Link  Quote 
Model
P I X I E
Posts: 35,308
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


-B-R-U-N-E-S-C-I- wrote:

Why would you need to tell us "how good" you are? hmm

That should be clearly evident from your portfolio. All you need to say in your profile is what you want to shoot and (hopefully) how enthusiastic you are. A list of conditions, rates, demands and empty assertions of your 'amazingness' (even if written in the 3rd person) isn't going to impress anybody.



Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

+1. Seriously...

Nov 18 12 06:11 am  Link  Quote 
Model
angel emily
Posts: 1,020
Boston, Massachusetts, US


It's evident from the comments and length of this thread what it takes to approach success as a professional -- and the kind of attitude it takes to keep it at a hobby interest forever.
Nov 18 12 06:45 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Melodye Joy
Posts: 542
Rancho Cucamonga, California, US


Top Level Studio wrote:
Not to be a grammar Nazi or anything, but if you want to look like a writer, you might start using Spell Check.

Well, perhaps that is correct, Top Level, but we all have our faults here and there. And as a human, we all make mistakes.

Thanks for pointing that out though, I will try to look over my work before I post.
smile

Nov 18 12 09:27 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Melodye Joy
Posts: 542
Rancho Cucamonga, California, US


-B-R-U-N-E-S-C-I- wrote:

Why would you need to tell us "how good" you are? hmm

That should be clearly evident from your portfolio. All you need to say in your profile is what you want to shoot and (hopefully) how enthusiastic you are. A list of conditions, rates, demands and empty assertions of your 'amazingness' (even if written in the 3rd person) isn't going to impress anybody.



Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

Perhaps I don't, Stefano, but just the same..I will leave my portfolio "bio" as is. I feel it is creative and professional.

Thanks!

Nov 18 12 09:29 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Melodye Joy
Posts: 542
Rancho Cucamonga, California, US


c_h_r_i_s wrote:

Your very own words.

Yes, Chris. My very own words. Might you ellaborate? I am puzzled if this is a comment or something of critique?

Thanks!

Nov 18 12 09:30 am  Link  Quote 
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