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Westdahl Studio
Posts: 333
Seattle, Washington, US


I would hire you!
Nov 18 12 09:32 am  Link  Quote 
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Melodye Joy
Posts: 542
Rancho Cucamonga, California, US


In Balance Photography wrote:

I would guess this happens because the photographer doesn't see enough value in a trade with you where he or she had to do the leg work of putting together a team - especially since the leg work is going to be harder because of the model (for example there is no way I could find wardrobe for you with out paying someone).

So when you decide to charge the photographer for that it's the kiss of death. They simply move on to an agency model.

Thanks, In Balance. But I have personally paid a fee for any of the couture provided in any fashion shoots I have participated in. Either directly to the designer/stylist or the photographer, as part of THEIR fee(s).

If I have a stylist/wardrobe pull fee, it is due my personal experiences in the matter and if I am to do said leg work, I'd like to be either reimbursed for said stylist fee or wardrobe pull, or they may pay that artist directly ...depends on what occurs in inquiry.

Thanks

Nov 18 12 09:34 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Melodye Joy
Posts: 542
Rancho Cucamonga, California, US


Loki Studios wrote:
I would hire you!

That's very kind of you, Loki Studios. If I were in your area, upon travel notice or otherwise, I'm sure we could discuss collaborating. smile

Thanks again.

Nov 18 12 09:35 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Melodye Joy
Posts: 542
Rancho Cucamonga, California, US


P I X I E wrote:

hmm

How lovely...

Just my opinion, Pixie. I mean no disrespect to any other artist and their own personal ways of doing their portfolio/profile(s).

Sorry if my comment offended, that was not my intention.

Thanks!

Nov 18 12 09:36 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Melodye Joy
Posts: 542
Rancho Cucamonga, California, US


model emily  wrote:
It's evident from the comments and length of this thread what it takes to approach success as a professional -- and the kind of attitude it takes to keep it at a hobby interest forever.

yes, Emily. It is quite evident. Success is dependent of the individual and their priorities and efforts in the matter.

Thanks for all your help, suggestions, critique. smile

Nov 18 12 09:38 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Michael McGowan
Posts: 3,597
Tucson, Arizona, US


Melodye Joy wrote:
Perhaps I don't, Stefano, but just the same..I will leave my portfolio "bio" as is. I feel it is creative and professional.

Thanks!

I was going to leave this alone, but since you're making a point of it, I'll weigh in.

A third-person profile is exceedingly off-putting. If you had somebody else write a profile for you and sign it (as recording artists do), it might work. But third-person is akin to the royal "we" for pomposity in communication.

Considering the number of people who have pointed out just that fact, your decision to ignore everybody just adds to the perception.

It's good to see you've bent a little on some of the items discussed here, but I doubt it's enough to alter your outcome to a great degree. You seem unhappy with the work you can get. You've been given five pages worth of suggestions, most of which you deflect and say "thank you." For any real move toward a more profitable llamaing situation, you'll need to sit back, re-think your objectives vs. your willingness to change.

You know what they say about doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

Nov 18 12 10:01 am  Link  Quote 
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NinaAnn
Posts: 22
Berlin, Berlin, Germany


What exactly is it that you are wanting to be paid for?

Admittedly I don't know how different the US market is to the UK one, I can only speak for the UK as someone else who is short.  If you are wanting to be paid for fashion work, then it simply isn't going to happen.  You can get paid for nudes, but if that isn't what you want to do anymore then fair enough - I don't do nudes either.  When I modeled full-time I got money mainly from portfolio shoots for beginner photographers.  It made me enough to live on anyway.

Since I've been out of the game a while I'm now coming back and working TF to get a new portfolio etc.  You haven't asked for a critique so I won't give you one - but if you are worth paying I think you should be able to fill all your picture shots with different genres you do want to work in, to show that you are worth paying.  Don't have those pictures? TF to get them.  I never had any fashion stuff - most of my work was alternative and beauty work, so I spent a week TFing with good photographers so I will soon be able to update with those kind of images.  Once I've shown I can do it, maybe people will pay for it.

Maybe they won't.  But I think it is a reasonable approach forward.  Also agree with Stefano and others about the 3rd person speech, but it is good to see you have taken at least some of the suggestions on board.
Nov 18 12 10:36 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Matt Knowles
Posts: 3,556
Ferndale, California, US


Melodye Joy wrote:

Matt,
As for my hip size, I received that mesaurement from a seemstress. If it is incorrect, then I was simply misinformed and I will seek better information and revise asap. Thank you.

I require a downpayment, which is towards the full rate, because I feel that I have been jipped enough in this industry and if a "photographer" 'forgot the cvash/check/money'..then at best I am compinsated partial travel.
It is unfortunate, but true..
My rates are negotiable, dependent upon the concept, as well as reliablity/reputation of the artist.

Thanks for the input.

A seamstress should know better. Here's a chart my wife made up that shows how to take your measurements.

http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/11240271

I see your hip measurement is now listed as 26" while your waist is 25". If you measure your hips correctly, you'll find they're more likely to be 36"-38".

Nov 18 12 12:12 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
WIP
Posts: 15,406
Cheltenham, England, United Kingdom


Melodye Joy wrote:

Yes, Chris. My very own words. Might you ellaborate? I am puzzled if this is a comment or something of critique?

Thanks!

Why should I elaborate your own words and as you've stated ' not worthy of being paid'.

Nov 18 12 02:26 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
In Balance Photography
Posts: 3,370
Boston, Massachusetts, US


Melodye Joy wrote:

Thanks, In Balance. But I have personally paid a fee for any of the couture provided in any fashion shoots I have participated in. Either directly to the designer/stylist or the photographer, as part of THEIR fee(s).

If I have a stylist/wardrobe pull fee, it is due my personal experiences in the matter and if I am to do said leg work, I'd like to be either reimbursed for said stylist fee or wardrobe pull, or they may pay that artist directly ...depends on what occurs in inquiry.

Thanks

You are completely missing the point.

Nov 18 12 04:43 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
RKD Photographic
Posts: 3,265
Iserlohn, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany


Michael McGowan wrote:

I was going to leave this alone, but since you're making a point of it, I'll weigh in.

A third-person profile is exceedingly off-putting. If you had somebody else write a profile for you and sign it (as recording artists do), it might work. But third-person is akin to the royal "we" for pomposity in communication.

Considering the number of people who have pointed out just that fact, your decision to ignore everybody just adds to the perception.

I have to agree - for quite a few of us, it really sets the teeth on edge reading stuff like that...
Had I not been reading it to make an informed opinion before posting, I wouldn't have read past the first line.

Nov 18 12 06:29 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Cherrystone
Posts: 36,421
Columbus, Ohio, US


Michael McGowan wrote:

You know what they say about doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

Insanity?

Nov 18 12 08:17 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
KungPaoChic
Posts: 2,942
West Palm Beach, Florida, US


lauren sasha wrote:
Sorry, but that doesn't mean anything and is a shitty excuse to underpay someone. Vogue does that (and can get away with it) because they're Vogue. People would pay to be in Vogue. The same can't be said about most other publications or people. Don't justify shitty rates based on an exceptional situation.

In general editorial work does not pay or pays very little. I can get agencies to send me llamas for editorials for nothing because they want tearsheets.

Why would I pay an 5 foot 2 internet llama when can get an agency to do a pull for me in exchange for a tearsheet and a cutline and images for their book.

The last editorial I shot the agency used 4 of the images in the llama's book.

Now mind you there is no commercial usage attached to that.

Nov 18 12 08:42 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Melodye Joy
Posts: 542
Rancho Cucamonga, California, US


Michael McGowan wrote:

I was going to leave this alone, but since you're making a point of it, I'll weigh in.

A third-person profile is exceedingly off-putting. If you had somebody else write a profile for you and sign it (as recording artists do), it might work. But third-person is akin to the royal "we" for pomposity in communication.

Considering the number of people who have pointed out just that fact, your decision to ignore everybody just adds to the perception.

It's good to see you've bent a little on some of the items discussed here, but I doubt it's enough to alter your outcome to a great degree. You seem unhappy with the work you can get. You've been given five pages worth of suggestions, most of which you deflect and say "thank you." For any real move toward a more profitable modeling situation, you'll need to sit back, re-think your objectives vs. your willingness to change.

You know what they say about doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

Thanks Michael. I still stand ground on myh previous statement concerning my write up on the portfolio. And yes, I am taking many of the suggestions and doing what I can, but of course no one can please everybody. smile

Thanks again!

Nov 19 12 08:08 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Melodye Joy
Posts: 542
Rancho Cucamonga, California, US


NinaAnn wrote:
What exactly is it that you are wanting to be paid for?

Admittedly I don't know how different the US market is to the UK one, I can only speak for the UK as someone else who is short.  If you are wanting to be paid for fashion work, then it simply isn't going to happen.  You can get paid for nudes, but if that isn't what you want to do anymore then fair enough - I don't do nudes either.  When I modeled full-time I got money mainly from portfolio shoots for beginner photographers.  It made me enough to live on anyway.

Since I've been out of the game a while I'm now coming back and working TF to get a new portfolio etc.  You haven't asked for a critique so I won't give you one - but if you are worth paying I think you should be able to fill all your picture shots with different genres you do want to work in, to show that you are worth paying.  Don't have those pictures? TF to get them.  I never had any fashion stuff - most of my work was alternative and beauty work, so I spent a week TFing with good photographers so I will soon be able to update with those kind of images.  Once I've shown I can do it, maybe people will pay for it.

Maybe they won't.  But I think it is a reasonable approach forward.  Also agree with Stefano and others about the 3rd person speech, but it is good to see you have taken at least some of the suggestions on board.

That's great yo hear, Nina! Good luck with your new endevors and getting back in the game smile

It is a bit different here in thye US and especially where I am located (where there is one of me and half a dozen others in line for the same). But I keep pressing on best as I can and I continue to learn and (hopefully) grow.

I am striving to place photos of my recent work, in the fields that I am either well versed in or those I am interested in and have done a few times and want to further my craft with.

Thanks so much for the advise and inspiration!

Nov 19 12 08:17 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Melodye Joy
Posts: 542
Rancho Cucamonga, California, US


c_h_r_i_s wrote:

Why should I elaborate your own words and as you've stated ' not worthy of being paid'.

Yes, Chris and that was a question I asked, therefore are you stating your opinion is that I am not worthy of being or receiving paid oppertunities?

If so, thank you for your honest opinion.

Nov 19 12 08:20 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Melodye Joy
Posts: 542
Rancho Cucamonga, California, US


In Balance Photography wrote:

You are completely missing the point.

I suppose I am, In Balance. But thank you for the critique and suggestions.

Nov 19 12 08:21 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Melodye Joy
Posts: 542
Rancho Cucamonga, California, US


hassanchop wrote:

In general editorial work does not pay or pays very little. I can get agencies to send me models for editorials for nothing because they want tearsheets.

Why would I pay an 5 foot 2 internet model when can get an agency to do a pull for me in exchange for a tearsheet and a cutline and images for their book.

The last editorial I shot the agency used 4 of the images in the model's book.

Now mind you there is no commercial usage attached to that.

Thanks for the insight, Hassanchop. I did not know that agencies sent models out for TF work or worked with particular photographers for free or less a fee.

And I don't feel that I am an internet model, though I have my profile on a few networking sites for models as well as regular social media (Facebook, MySpace, Twitter)....I am simply using the avenue best suited for castings, inquiries, ect...for my area. I have never done anything specific to the internet, other than two interviews via telephone and posted on someones blog/site. All other publications are in print, both locally, nationally and internationally.

If I am mistaken on the definition of an internet model, please correct me. But like I said, I don't feel that I fall in that genre or title.

Thanks

Nov 19 12 08:27 am  Link  Quote 
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NinaAnn
Posts: 22
Berlin, Berlin, Germany


Melodye Joy wrote:
That's great yo hear, Nina! Good luck with your new endevors and getting back in the game smile

It is a bit different here in thye US and especially where I am located (where there is one of me and half a dozen others in line for the same). But I keep pressing on best as I can and I continue to learn and (hopefully) grow.

I am striving to place photos of my recent work, in the fields that I am either well versed in or those I am interested in and have done a few times and want to further my craft with.

Thanks so much for the advise and inspiration!

Thanks for your response, but you didn't answer the question - what is it you want to be paid for?

It is just as competitive in the UK, the are many girls lining up for every shoot and not a lot of money going round.  While you want to have recent work in your portfolio, as I agree you should, for me it would be better to see what you can do.  On your current port I wouldn't book you - if you have great images hiding away then use them and replace them when you have more.  Even if they are a little old, they are still indicative of what you can do.

Regarding the phrase 'internet model' - if you get most of your work from these sites rather than from an agency, you are an internet model, regardless of whether it is for publication or not.  Realistically at your height, you are likely to always be an internet model.  That isn't to be taken as an insult either, as there are many, many models that make a decent living out of it.

Nov 19 12 08:43 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
B R U N E S C I
Posts: 25,319
Bath, England, United Kingdom


Melodye Joy wrote:
I did not know that agencies sent models out for TF work or worked with particular photographers for free or less a fee.

I've never paid any model, either from an agency (top 10 London agencies) or from here on MM with anything other than images (test/TFP).

That's not a boast, just a statement of fact to help you see that photographers have little need to pay 5'2" unsigned models for anything, let alone clothed work.



Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

Nov 19 12 10:12 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Jolly Rauncher
Posts: 1,516
Seattle, Washington, US


-B-R-U-N-E-S-C-I- wrote:

I've never paid any model, either from an agency (top 10 London agencies) or from here on MM with anything other than images (test/TFP).

That's not a boast, just a statement of fact to help you see that photographers have little need to pay 5'2" unsigned models for anything, let alone clothed work.



Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

Quoted for truth.
I used to think just like you, and I thought that I could make money being as small as I am in the editorial/ alt fashion industry and it's just not the case.
Why pay (a high price) an unsigned and not fashion standard model, when you can not pay (or pay less through an agency) a fashion standard model and get the same image with less effort (photographing you to look taller, hemming pants or skirts to fit your inseam, etc).
If you want to make money, heed the information these people are giving you instead of derailing everything they say based on what you THINK should be happening versus the actual industry.
I did, and now I'm happily paid in the niche more suited for my needs.

Nov 19 12 10:53 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Melodye Joy
Posts: 542
Rancho Cucamonga, California, US


NinaAnn wrote:

Thanks for your response, but you didn't answer the question - what is it you want to be paid for?

It is just as competitive in the UK, the are many girls lining up for every shoot and not a lot of money going round.  While you want to have recent work in your portfolio, as I agree you should, for me it would be better to see what you can do.  On your current port I wouldn't book you - if you have great images hiding away then use them and replace them when you have more.  Even if they are a little old, they are still indicative of what you can do.

Regarding the phrase 'internet model' - if you get most of your work from these sites rather than from an agency, you are an internet model, regardless of whether it is for publication or not.  Realistically at your height, you are likely to always be an internet model.  That isn't to be taken as an insult either, as there are many, many models that make a decent living out of it.

What is it I want to be paid for? ...for my talents as a model, ideally. But I do have other varied talents that I can perhaps be sucessful in, too, such as creative writing.

And thanks for the clarification about 'internet models', Nina. Very helpful!

Nov 19 12 12:56 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Melodye Joy
Posts: 542
Rancho Cucamonga, California, US


-B-R-U-N-E-S-C-I- wrote:

I've never paid any model, either from an agency (top 10 London agencies) or from here on MM with anything other than images (test/TFP).

That's not a boast, just a statement of fact to help you see that photographers have little need to pay 5'2" unsigned models for anything, let alone clothed work.



Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

Thanks for the info, Stefano.

Nov 19 12 12:56 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Melodye Joy
Posts: 542
Rancho Cucamonga, California, US


Jolly Rauncher wrote:

Quoted for truth.
I used to think just like you, and I thought that I could make money being as small as I am in the editorial/ alt fashion industry and it's just not the case.
Why pay (a high price) an unsigned and not fashion standard model, when you can not pay (or pay less through an agency) a fashion standard model and get the same image with less effort (photographing you to look taller, hemming pants or skirts to fit your inseam, etc).
If you want to make money, heed the information these people are giving you instead of derailing everything they say based on what you THINK should be happening versus the actual industry.
I did, and now I'm happily paid in the niche more suited for my needs.

I mean no disrespect to anyone who has given me advice, insight, critique or suggestions...I simply have certain standards and I won't bend. If I need to bend to be paid, then that is not worth my time.

Modeling is both diffucult and enjoable and I hope to succeed, but not on anyone's terms that conflict my particular faith and standard.

Thanks, Joy

Nov 19 12 01:00 pm  Link  Quote 
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V Laroche
Posts: 2,746
New Orleans, Louisiana, US


Obviously, many people don't want to shoot for a full day. I give my rates like this: $x/hr, or $xx for a half day and $xxx/for a full day. Sometimes I give a minimum of 2-3 hours and sometimes I don't depending on other factors.

One other things: I don't want this to sounds like an unsolicited critique, but there just isn't a large number of photos in your portfolio. If you have more, put them up. I think 10-20 is a good number. The rest is just lagniappe.
Nov 19 12 07:39 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Melodye Joy
Posts: 542
Rancho Cucamonga, California, US


V Laroche wrote:
Obviously, many people don't want to shoot for a full day. I give my rates like this: $x/hr, or $xx for a half day and $xxx/for a full day. Sometimes I give a minimum of 2-3 hours and sometimes I don't depending on other factors.

One other things: I don't want this to sounds like an unsolicited critique, but there just isn't a large number of photos in your portfolio. If you have more, put them up. I think 10-20 is a good number. The rest is just lagniappe.

Thanks, V! I am waiting on new edits as we speak, to add new images in....I do have 18 images up, in varied categories/albums. But you are correct, I need a couple more to even things out. smile

Thanks!

Nov 20 12 09:29 am  Link  Quote 
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Saedcantas
Posts: 445
Saint Saviour, Saint Saviour, United Kingdom


Melodye Joy wrote:
I simply have certain standards and I won't bend. If I need to bend to be paid, then that is not worth my time.

Modeling is both diffucult and enjoable and I hope to succeed, but not on anyone's terms that conflict my particular faith and standard.

Thanks, Joy

Therein lies the crux of the problem.

With the genes and time you have been given, the two states are mutually exclusive; You will never get paid unless you are prepared to bend.

Everyone here has spent the last five pages politely trying to point out this fact of life to you.

Good luck!

Nov 20 12 12:04 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Melodye Joy
Posts: 542
Rancho Cucamonga, California, US


Saedcantas wrote:
Therein lies the crux of the problem.

With the genes and time you have been given, the two states are mutually exclusive; You will never get paid unless you are prepared to bend.

Everyone here has spent the last five pages politely trying to point this fact of life to you.

Good luck!

Saedcantas,

Everyone has been very kind and honest in their critique and suggestions.

Thanks!

Nov 20 12 12:10 pm  Link  Quote 
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Rachael Bueckert
Posts: 1,121
Red Deer, Alberta, Canada


Melodye Joy wrote:
Perhaps I don't, Stefano, but just the same..I will leave my portfolio "bio" as is. I feel it is creative and professional.

Thanks!

Unfortunately...it isnt...
Now the question is, how many people telling you how taxky and stupid it looks will it take for you to believe them...
Its been said numerous times, and ill say it again: stop asking for advice when you clearly are unwilling to listen to it and let it help you.

Dont worry, Ill reply to my message for you...

Melodye Joy wrote:
Thank you for your advice and concern, however I must disagree. I strongly believe that my bio reflects how creative and professional I am, as well as my superb writing skills. I am perfect and do not require change, but if you have any more advice or input I will gladly consider it.

Thanks!

Nov 20 12 04:58 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Melodye Joy
Posts: 542
Rancho Cucamonga, California, US


Rachael Bueckert wrote:

Unfortunately...it isnt...
Now the question is, how many people telling you how taxky and stupid it looks will it take for you to believe them...
Its been said numerous times, and ill say it again: stop asking for advice when you clearly are unwilling to listen to it and let it help you.

Dont worry, Ill reply to my message for you...

Melodye Joy wrote:
Thank you for your advice and concern, however I must disagree. I strongly believe that my bio reflects how creative and professional I am, as well as my superb writing skills. I am perfect and do not require change, but if you have any more advice or input I will gladly consider it.

Thanks!

A response such as this makes me wonder how many people actually give advice AFTER checking the updates and revisions an artist has made to his/her profile.

My first question was about my rates and those have since changed and they are also not posted directly in my profile, as someone else kindly mentioned.

A few suggested I change the way in which I represent my portfolio and profile information.
-Images have been removed and reloaded with only the latest pictures and photos that pertain only to the genre(s) I feel I can excel at.

-Written profile is changed up with the basics w/out third person

-Rates are not posted, per suggestion and rates are varied, dependent upon project(s)

I have taken into account everyone's critique and I have done my best to impliment and make use of the majority.

So, Rachael, your abrupt message was unnecessary.

Have a blessed Thanksgiving!

Nov 21 12 08:22 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
V Laroche
Posts: 2,746
New Orleans, Louisiana, US


Every time I see this thread's title I giggle to myself.
Nov 21 12 08:49 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
MelissaAnn
Posts: 3,876
Seattle, Washington, US


wrote:
-B-R-U-N-E-S-C-I-
I've never paid any model, either from an agency (top 10 London agencies) or from here on MM with anything other than images (test/TFP).

That's not a boast, just a statement of fact to help you see that photographers have little need to pay 5'2" unsigned models for anything, let alone clothed work.
Saedcantas wrote:
Therein lies the crux of the problem.

With the genes and time you have been given, the two states are mutually exclusive; You will never get paid unless you are prepared to bend.

Everyone here has spent the last five pages politely trying to point out this fact of life to you.

Good luck!

+1. 

You're 5"2", you want to be paid, but don't do nudes?  You certainly shouldn't compromise your values, but you also shouldn't expect to be paid for what hundreds of thousands of other models are willing to do for trade.  Be realistic.

Nov 21 12 09:00 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Philipe
Posts: 5,210
Pomona, California, US


Just take the advice I gave you.
Trust me on this.
Nov 21 12 09:03 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Kaley King
Posts: 1,027
Jefferson City, Missouri, US


Melodye Joy wrote:

What is it I want to be paid for? ...for my talents as a model, ideally. But I do have other varied talents that I can perhaps be sucessful in, too, such as creative writing.

And thanks for the clarification about 'internet models', Nina. Very helpful!

There are girls who make money who are thick, and/or not very tall, and don't do nudes...who are making good money.  They got well heard of through glamour magazines and built  up a huge fan base....only issue here is you don't really have the curves for glamour...

Nov 21 12 09:15 pm  Link  Quote 
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Melodye Joy
Posts: 542
Rancho Cucamonga, California, US


Philipe wrote:
Just take the advice I gave you.
Trust me on this.

I am Philip'e. I actually have a meeting with someone in the acting/theater industry in the next week or so.

Thank you for taking me on and believing in me, helping me, guiding me.

Your awesome!

Have a wonderful holiday weekend!

xo

Nov 22 12 09:26 am  Link  Quote 
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Anna Adrielle
Posts: 18,762
Antwerp, Antwerp, Belgium


Melodye Joy wrote:
A response such as this makes me wonder how many people actually give advice AFTER checking the updates and revisions an artist has made to his/her profile.

My first question was about my rates and those have since changed and they are also not posted directly in my profile, as someone else kindly mentioned.

A few suggested I change the way in which I represent my portfolio and profile information.
-Images have been removed and reloaded with only the latest pictures and photos that pertain only to the genre(s) I feel I can excel at.

-Written profile is changed up with the basics w/out third person

-Rates are not posted, per suggestion and rates are varied, dependent upon project(s)

I have taken into account everyone's critique and I have done my best to impliment and make use of the majority.

So, Rachael, your abrupt message was unnecessary.

Have a blessed Thanksgiving!

here's another tip (I have read the entire thread).

you're probably completely unaware of this, but you come across arogant in the way you write. It's because you, in a subtle way, often disagree with what they're saying (often everything someone is saying), but still stay uberpolite about it. Except it doesn't come across as polite. It comes across as some kind of robot.
Being polite and professional is important. So is being human. Either take the advice or don't and stick to your own thing, but then at least own up to it.
Most of what you're doing right now basically comes across as this (to me, but I'm pretty sure to others as well):
""thank you so much for your great advice. Unfortunately I won't be listening to any of it, because *insert reasons*. But thank you so so so much for replying, I wish you a blissful and perfect life filled with rainbows and puppies"

And quite frankly, the only reason when I talk like that is when I'm at work and some customer was just mean to me so I start being superpolite while in my head I'm going "yeah whatever bitch".

be a person. MUCH more likeable.

Nov 22 12 04:41 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Melodye Joy
Posts: 542
Rancho Cucamonga, California, US


Anna Adrielle wrote:

here's another tip (I have read the entire thread).

you're probably completely unaware of this, but you come across arogant in the way you write. It's because you, in a subtle way, often disagree with what they're saying (often everything someone is saying), but still stay uberpolite about it. Except it doesn't come across as polite. It comes across as some kind of robot.
Being polite and professional is important. So is being human. Either take the advice or don't and stick to your own thing, but then at least own up to it.
Most of what you're doing right now basically comes across as this (to me, but I'm pretty sure to others as well):
""thank you so much for your great advice. Unfortunately I won't be listening to any of it, because *insert reasons*. But thank you so so so much for replying, I wish you a blissful and perfect life filled with rainbows and puppies"

And quite frankly, the only reason when I talk like that is when I'm at work and some customer was just mean to me so I start being superpolite while in my head I'm going "yeah whatever bitch".

be a person. MUCH more likeable.

Didn't realize being a person and being polite meant I was fake, a bitch, or a robot, Anna.

If I agree to disagree with a suggestion, then that is fine. No one can force me to be something or someone that I am not.

I have thanked you all numerous times for the advice and I continue to consider them and implement what I feel works best for me (for now)...nothing is set in stone in a profile, things change wither it be style or physical stats.

I will remain doing what I do and if I sound like a robot because I am being myself, then a robot I will remain!

Agree to disagree.

Bless!

Nov 22 12 05:20 pm  Link  Quote 
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MelissaAnn
Posts: 3,876
Seattle, Washington, US


Melodye Joy wrote:
Didn't realize being a person and being polite meant I was fake, a bitch, or a robot, Anna.

If I agree to disagree with a suggestion, then that is fine. No one can force me to be something or someone that I am not.

I have thanked you all numerous times for the advice and I continue to consider them and implement what I feel works best for me (for now)...nothing is set in stone in a profile, things change wither it be style or physical stats.

I will remain doing what I do and if I sound like a robot because I am being myself, then a robot I will remain!

Agree to disagree.

Bless!

She didn't say you *were* a bitch or a robot, she said you're coming off that way in this thread.  And you're still doing it. 

I agree with her, and if you don't mind coming off that way, by all means, keep doing exactly what you're doing.  It seems to be working so well for you.

Nov 22 12 05:38 pm  Link  Quote 
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Jolly Rauncher
Posts: 1,516
Seattle, Washington, US


Melodye Joy wrote:
I mean no disrespect to anyone who has given me advice, insight, critique or suggestions...I simply have certain standards and I won't bend. If I need to bend to be paid, then that is not worth my time.

Modeling is both diffucult and enjoable and I hope to succeed, but not on anyone's terms that conflict my particular faith and standard.

Thanks, Joy

I don't think you're disrespectful, I think you've just been politely declining any factual information that isn't what you want to hear.

You're correct, modeling is difficult and enjoyable- I found out more about myself and gained a lot of self confidence I may not have otherwise found, but that hasn't warped my views on reality either.

You're short darlin', face it. You won't be on any New York runways wearing Dior dresses any time soon. It's ok that you don't want to conflict with your faith, but you can't expect the whole industry to bend just for you instead of the other way around because it simply will not.

If bending your terms isn't something you're interested in and yet you still want to make decent money, maybe modeling isn't for you. At least not in the genres you've chosen. Nobody is pushing you to model in a genre you don't want to participate in, we're just telling you that's where you can expect the biggest payout.

Nov 23 12 06:52 am  Link  Quote 
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Anna Adrielle
Posts: 18,762
Antwerp, Antwerp, Belgium


Melodye Joy wrote:
Didn't realize being a person and being polite meant I was fake, a bitch, or a robot, Anna.

If I agree to disagree with a suggestion, then that is fine. No one can force me to be something or someone that I am not.

I have thanked you all numerous times for the advice and I continue to consider them and implement what I feel works best for me (for now)...nothing is set in stone in a profile, things change wither it be style or physical stats.

I will remain doing what I do and if I sound like a robot because I am being myself, then a robot I will remain!

Agree to disagree.

Bless!

I never said you were a bitch, I say you come across as a robot (obviously not literally) when you talk like this. It comes across as fake. And you just gave me the perfect example, again.

you say I called you a bitch (which I didn't). If someone really calls you a bitch and you respond in this superpolite manner, it comes off unreal. In real life you'd never say
"thank you for your suggestion that I am a robotic bitch. Bless your kind heart" without being mentally ill or seriously sarcastic. yet somehow you think that it comes across as "real person" and "polite". I'm just saying that is not how it comes across, and obviously not just to me but to others as well. I don't see why you would want to come across like it instead of wanting to work on it?
Anyway, it was just a suggestion, I'm sure you'll thank me for it and continue what you're doing, but at least somehow said it, so there.

Nov 23 12 09:13 am  Link  Quote 
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