The owner of 45 resturants in 3 states plans on adding a 5% surcharge to customer's bills, starting 1/2014. He states that he is doing this to offset the costs of Obamacare.
He is also planning on cutting the majority of his 1,200 employees hours to part time... qhich will mean he does not need to cover their insurance, and many will need to look for new or second jobs.
Under the current law, employers with more than 50 full-time (or equivalent) workers will be charged a penalty for the number of employees exceeding 30 full-time staffers who are not covered. With an average of 35 full-time employees per location, Metz said the $2,000 penalty would total roughly $70,000 per restaurant. Current coverage costs Metz up to $6,000 annually per full-time employee, he said. He currently provides coverage to about 250 employees.
There are quite a few companies out there that have to "add to the cost" of their product to help pay for the "Fees" that Obamacare places on small businesses.
Papa Johns is one as well.
I still think Obamacare is a good idea.. just needs to be fixed.
Currently businesses feel like the Obama administration doesn't applicate them and want to punish them for being successful. (despite what Obama says... his actions don't match his lip service).
Hall Photo
Posts: 12,331
Boston, Massachusetts, US
Somebody pays. Somebody always pays. So we have a choice... does Denny's (and through them, their customers) pay? Does the state pay? Does everyone who pays for insurance pay when they end up in the E.R. for uncompensated care?
The first two seem like better alternatives. There's some evidence that the second is more efficient, but the first fits well with America's national character, and could have some advantages. I'm willing to give it a shot.
Hall Photo wrote: Somebody pays. Somebody always pays. So we have a choice... does Denny's (and through them, their customers) pay? Does the state pay? Does everyone who pays for insurance pay when they end up in the E.R. for uncompensated care?
The first two seem like better alternatives. There's some evidence that the second is more efficient, but the first fits well with America's national character, and could have some advantages. I'm willing to give it a shot.
Agreed actually (shocking, I know).
There are many aspects of Obamacare that I do not agree with that "needs fixing" but that isn't really what this thread is about...it's about Dennys charging more for their meals to help pay for something that is LAW.
and that's not a bad thing.
Someone is paying for our health care .. it's just a matter of who... no one (or the very few) works for free.
Patchouli Nyx wrote: Yet another good reason not to eat at Denny's.
thanks for the info!
Pretty soon, with our liberal friends boycotting (girlcotting?) restaurants
that are making business decisions based on increased costs from Obamacare,
Chick-fil-A won't sound so bad!
Patchouli Nyx
Posts: 25,311
Santa Cruz, California, US
Patchouli Nyx wrote: Yet another good reason not to eat at Denny's.
thanks for the info!
What Fun Productions wrote: Pretty soon, with our liberal friends boycotting (girlcotting?) restaurants
that are making business decisions based on increased costs from Obamacare,
Chick-fil-A won't sound so bad!
Chick-fil-A sounds like a name for a MM glamour photographer, not some place to eat.
Chicchowmein
Posts: 13,482
Palm Beach, Florida, US
Smedley Whiplash wrote: lmao Who eats at Denny's anyway?
hmmm... retired people?
I knew they were gonna take it out of the hides of the elderly.
I don't think very many of them eat there either.
If I want to go out for breakfast I prefer a small mom and pop place.
Not a fan of most chains.
Red Lobster -- barf. Never had any desire to eat at an Applebee's -- apparently others in my area think the same way since the one near us went out of business.
I am happy for a reason to not order Papa John's. My kid was the only one who liked it and I explained to him why we won't be ordering it any more.
Chick-fil-et? Ate there like twice when I had a free coupon. would never have paid to eat there anyways.
What Fun Productions wrote: Why are liberals getting hostile towards this business?
When costs go up, business passes them onto customers.
Because liberals don't understand capitalism from a working perspective. If they did they'd buy their own health insurance and not worry about a Denny's restaurant raising prices to cover overhead.
Chicchowmein
Posts: 13,482
Palm Beach, Florida, US
OMarkcompa wrote: Because liberals don't understand capitalism from a working perspective. If they did they'd buy their own health insurance and not worry about a Denny's restaurant raising prices to cover overhead.
I don't care if Denny's raises their prices. Their food is garbage as is the food at most of the places where the CEO's are making jackasses out of themselves.
“If I leave the prices the same, but say on the menu that there is a 5 percent surcharge for Obamacare, customers have two choices. They can either pay it and tip 15 or 20 percent, or if they really feel so inclined, they can reduce the amount of tip they give to the server, who is the primary beneficiary of Obamacare,” Metz told The Huffington Post. “Although it may sound terrible that I'm doing this, it's the only alternative. I've got to pass the cost on to the consumer.”
Even you have to admit that his motives are CLEARLY more personal than being of real substance.
OMarkcompa wrote: Because liberals don't understand capitalism from a working perspective. If they did they'd buy their own health insurance
kickfight wrote: I apparently understand capitalism from a working perspective, whatever the hell that's supposed to mean, because I buy my own health insurance!
Anomalies exist from time to time. Or maybe you're just progressing in the right direction.
I love how these threads degrade into Well I don't eat there! as if that somehow makes you superior to everyone that does.
It's simple: If you don't like Denny's then don't eat there. If you do eat there then be prepared to pay a little extra at those restaurants that will implement a surcharge. In the end we're all going to pay the increased healthcare costs one way or another.
Because liberals don't understand capitalism from a working perspective. If they did they'd buy their own health insurance and not worry about a Denny's restaurant raising prices to cover overhead.
So why aren't these businesses cutting employee hours when their suppliers raise costs? A cost increase is a cost increase.. Conservatives seem not to get that..
SensualThemes
Posts: 3,018
Swoyersville, Pennsylvania, US
Stephen Dawson wrote: A single payer national health care system, funded by a national sales tax is the way to go.
Employers should not be burdened with health care costs.
So if I make 5 Million dollars, but only spend $10,000 per year (because my company gives me everything I need as a perk), I get healthcare for under $1,000 (assuming 10% sales tax) per year?
If I have no medical issues, and choose not to go to a doctor, I get to pay as much for healthcare as someone (with my same spend rate) as a hypochondriac who demands all these tests?
If I want to go out for breakfast I prefer a small mom and pop place.
Not a fan of most chains.
Red Lobster -- barf. Never had any desire to eat at an Applebee's -- apparently others in my area think the same way since the one near us went out of business.
I am happy for a reason to not order Papa John's. My kid was the only one who liked it and I explained to him why we won't be ordering it any more.
Chick-fil-et? Ate there like twice when I had a free coupon. would never have paid to eat there anyways.
Yep keep supporting the mom and pop restaurants since they won't be forced to provide healthcare for their workers.
OMarkcompa wrote: Because liberals don't understand capitalism from a working perspective. If they did they'd buy their own health insurance and not worry about a Denny's restaurant raising prices to cover overhead.
Tropical Photography wrote: So why aren't these businesses cutting employee hours when their suppliers raise costs? A cost increase is a cost increase.. Conservatives seem not to get that..
They often do but when government causes the increase it becomes news.
OMarkcompa wrote: Because liberals don't understand capitalism from a working perspective. If they did they'd buy their own health insurance and not worry about a Denny's restaurant raising prices to cover overhead.
It's probably because most liberals and other open-eyed folk see the cynical motivations behind imposing a surcharge rather than simply raising the price. Was a separate line item added to customers bills to account for the increasing cost of gas on their bottom line?
I think it's a good thing they're charging more. Think of the future cost savings to the healthcare system associated with people not eating at Denny's.
OMarkcompa wrote: Because liberals don't understand capitalism from a working perspective. If they did they'd buy their own health insurance
kickfight wrote: I apparently understand capitalism from a working perspective, whatever the hell that's supposed to mean, because I buy my own health insurance!
OMarkcompa wrote: Anomalies exist from time to time. Or maybe you're just progressing in the right direction.
These statements you're making... they actually mean something, right? I mean, to you, they do, right?
I buy my own health insurance because I am self-employed.
Damon Banner
Posts: 83,599
Hayward, California, US
It is common to pass on the costs of (insert whatever here) to the customer. You think Walmart just eats the cost when someone steals a laptop from them? Hell no!
Chicchowmein
Posts: 13,482
Palm Beach, Florida, US
Instinct Images wrote: I love how these threads degrade into Well I don't eat there! as if that somehow makes you superior to everyone that does.
It's simple: If you don't like Denny's then don't eat there. If you do eat there then be prepared to pay a little extra at those restaurants that will implement a surcharge. In the end we're all going to pay the increased healthcare costs one way or another.
I don't feel superior.
Do you feel inferior?
I would not mind paying a surcharge if I actually liked the food. I would not however eat there even if I did like the food because I think the CEO is a douche for what he said and how he said it
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