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Photographer
OmnyRa
Posts: 1,029
Indianapolis, Indiana, US


A Mayhem photographer that doesn't want another Mayhem photographer to work with a Mayhem model they've worked with is defeating the purpose of one of the biggest benefits of Mayhem- Networking.  I think sometimes, maybe the photographer is lazy. Others, they know we're going to click on that model's link and leave their port for the models and quickly forget how we got there.
Nov 18 12 09:05 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Lovely Day Media
Posts: 3,691
Vineland, New Jersey, US


OmnyRa wrote:
Others, they know we're going to click on that model's link and leave their port for the models and quickly forget how we got there.

If it makes any sense (and even if it doesn't), I'm one who opens links in a new tab or window.  This way, I don't have to remember where I was or how I got there.  That tab or window is still open.

  Some people I know say that extra tabs on their taskbar drives them nuts and I'm "roasting" my memory and/or processor ... but I've never had a computer die because the memory or processor died (power supply, yes, monitor, yes, motherboard, yes, but never processor or memory).

Nov 18 12 09:27 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
MK Images Hawaii
Posts: 143
Honolulu, Hawaii, US


I have had a llama take it upon himself to "re-edit" my edit. For some reason or another, he had cropped the image and it looked terrible. Then he credited me. I hid those credits. I'd hate for someone to think that was my editing skills...
Nov 18 12 10:33 am  Link  Quote 
Model
NinaAnn
Posts: 22
Berlin, Berlin, Germany


I always credit where I can - but I arrange very few shoots via MM.  It may be that some photographers/MUAs etc are on here but I just dont know, or can't find them because they use a different name etc
Nov 18 12 10:40 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Tims Solution
Posts: 82
Seguin, Texas, US


I credit, at the profile and photograph level. big_smile
Nov 18 12 10:51 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Fine Wine
Posts: 226
Orange, California, US


I think it should be worked out between the llama and photographer about credit.  I have 2 profiles here on MM.  One with nudes and one without nudes.  If I do nude pics with a photographer I want to make sure that only my Fine Wine profile is credited.

I say give credit where it is due and when it is wanted.
Nov 18 12 10:54 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Wynd Mulysa
Posts: 8,587
Pensacola, Florida, US


not only is it a helpful tool in allowing other photographers to be in touch with models they'd like to work with, but it also provides references for models who are scheduling a shoot with the photographer, without having to ask for them.  when i see a portfolio without credits, i think that either none of the models this person has worked with are on MM, or it is a red flag.  to not have credits on your photos of models who are on MM to me means that you are either not giving the people you work with respect, and/or that you may be dishonest.

i personally always credit.  and if the photographer is not on MM, i link to their website or at the very least include their name.
Nov 18 12 10:55 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Star
Posts: 17,901
Los Angeles, California, US


the tagging system on MM is too difficult for me. So I just credit by text in the caption fields.

If i could credit by typing in the MM name instead of their number i would
Nov 18 12 01:55 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
MB Jen B
Posts: 2,833
Clarksville, Tennessee, US


FacadePhoto wrote:
There are many photographers, here on MM, who do not credit their models.  This makes it difficult for other photographers to track down a model they might want to work with.   Maybe that's the whole point of not providing a credit!

I'd like to hear comments from both models and photographers about listing--or NOT listing--model credits on a photo.

It's your forum!

Isn't this the same as "shouldn't models credit their photgraphers?"

Of course we should credit each other, if at the very least, to say Not on MM but, still give credit.
Jen

Nov 18 12 02:02 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Julia Francesca
Posts: 2,357
Maumee, Ohio, US


FacadePhoto wrote:
There are many photographers, here on MM, who do not credit their models.  This makes it difficult for other photographers to track down a model they might want to work with.   Maybe that's the whole point of not providing a credit!

I'd like to hear comments from both models and photographers about listing--or NOT listing--model credits on a photo.

It's your forum!

if a photographer does not tag me i add the photo to my list entitled "OMG It's Me!".

Nov 18 12 02:20 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Monday Morning
Posts: 338
Norman, Oklahoma, US


FacadePhoto wrote:
There are many photographers, here on MM, who do not credit their models.  This makes it difficult for other photographers to track down a model they might want to work with.   Maybe that's the whole point of not providing a credit!

I'd like to hear comments from both models and photographers about listing--or NOT listing--model credits on a photo.

It's your forum!

Yes

Nov 18 12 02:28 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Lovely Day Media
Posts: 3,691
Vineland, New Jersey, US


Star wrote:
the tagging system on MM is too difficult for me. So I just credit by text in the caption fields.

If i could credit by typing in the MM name instead of their number i would

I find it very easy to copy and paste a person's number ... no typing necessary.  I don't even need my keyboard.

  It does remind me of the time my aunt bought a new laptop.  She was mad because when she pressed the button on the CD drive, it popped open.  When I asked what the problem was, she said she wanted it to open all the way up like her desktop drive did.

  All righty then! roll

Nov 18 12 02:33 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Paul Best
Posts: 1,293
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


alot dont want other photographers to contact them ..
Nov 18 12 02:40 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 11,780
Olivet, Michigan, US


Star wrote:
the tagging system on MM is too difficult for me. So I just credit by text in the caption fields.

If i could credit by typing in the MM name instead of their number i would

Typing a six or seven digit number is too hard for you?  And cutting and pasting it is as well? 

OK

Nov 18 12 02:46 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
HOTTIE SHOTS
Posts: 5,946
Memphis, Tennessee, US


FacadePhoto wrote:
There are many photographers, here on MM, who do not credit their models.  This makes it difficult for other photographers to track down a model they might want to work with.   Maybe that's the whole point of not providing a credit!

I'd like to hear comments from both models and photographers about listing--or NOT listing--model credits on a photo.

It's your forum!

In my experience the photographers who do not link their models are trying to keep them from shooting with others.  They come up with all sorts of excuses but basically they just don't want the model to shoot with anyone else.  Or.....sometimes they want to control the model.  So photographers would have to pass through his filter before talking to the model. 

And I know some models don't want to be linked.........but it is rare. 

I don't think there is any good reason for not linking models who are also on this site.

I think this is a networking site and the models should be linked so if a photographer sees one he likes in my port he can contact her directly.

Nov 18 12 03:00 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
HOTTIE SHOTS
Posts: 5,946
Memphis, Tennessee, US


Star wrote:
the tagging system on MM is too difficult for me. So I just credit by text in the caption fields.

If i could credit by typing in the MM name instead of their number i would

You have over 17,000 forum posts and can't figure out the tagging system?

Nov 18 12 03:02 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
HOTTIE SHOTS
Posts: 5,946
Memphis, Tennessee, US


Misty R H wrote:

That is kind of selfish. It's like a model not giving you credit because you might shoot better picture of another model.

If someone shoots that model better. Learn from that and improve.

Swinskey was joking.

Nov 18 12 03:04 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Josie Lee
Posts: 721
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


I'm obsessed with crediting the whole team. It seems only fair. If I don't know whether or not they are on MM, I ask. Then I copy/paste their profile # so people can find them.

When a talent has gone through the trouble to do the shoot, I feel they deserve the credit. I want more people to find them and hire them.

I can understand why occasionally a model requests not being credited, such as shooting outside her preferred genre, or making an exception with her no-longer-doing-nudes policy, etc. 

Sometimes when I get a booking I am allowed to suggest or choose talent for the client to hire. I am mesmerized by a photo (shot in the city where the booking takes place).  I've seen either no credit links, no names or misspelled names, or half of a name. When the credits are missing I have no way of offering work to them. Bummer.
Nov 18 12 03:11 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 11,780
Olivet, Michigan, US


HOTTIE SHOTS wrote:
And I know some models don't want to be linked.........but it is rare.

It's not unusual for models to pose nude but not want to be linked / credited.  There might well be other situations with the same outcome.

Nov 18 12 03:11 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Lovely Day Media
Posts: 3,691
Vineland, New Jersey, US


If it matters ... in cases where models contact me wanting to shoot ... if they don't credit photographers or anyone else in their photos, I don't work with them.
Nov 18 12 03:34 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
GM Photography
Posts: 6,035
Olympia, Washington, US


Star wrote:
the tagging system on MM is too difficult for me. So I just credit by text in the caption fields.

If i could credit by typing in the MM name instead of their number i would

Most browsers nowadays let you have multiple pages open in tabs.  I open the model's profile, highlight her MM number, copy it and paste it into the photo credits on another tab with the photo uploader open.  Uploading the image is more complicated than tagging it.

Nov 18 12 03:38 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 11,780
Olivet, Michigan, US


Star wrote:
the tagging system on MM is too difficult for me. So I just credit by text in the caption fields.

If i could credit by typing in the MM name instead of their number i would
GM Photography wrote:
Most browsers nowadays let you have multiple pages open in tabs.  I open the model's profile, highlight her MM number, copy it and paste it into the photo credits on another tab with the photo uploader open.  Uploading the image is more complicated than tagging it.

If you've communicated with the model on MM, almost anything is more complicated than tagging them.

The only times I can think of where it was a challenge at all is when all the communication was on FB, and I don't know what the MM user name is.

Nov 18 12 03:42 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Farenell Photography
Posts: 17,846
Albany, New York, US


Art of the nude wrote:
Typing a six or seven digit number is too hard for you?  And cutting and pasting it is as well? 

OK

System glitches have been known to "lose" those digits. People also change their profile names making it difficult to search them from what a member knew them as.

Nov 18 12 03:43 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 11,780
Olivet, Michigan, US


Farenell Photography wrote:
System glitches have been known to "lose" those digits. People also change their profile names making it difficult to search them from what a member knew them as.

Yep, if you upload the pictures way after the shoot.  I've got a profile where I not sure I have all the images credited, since I uploaded them up to three years after the shot.  But normally, images are uploaded shortly after the session, and it should be fairly simple to find the profile.

Nov 18 12 03:58 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DEREX Art
Posts: 232
Paterson, New Jersey, US


S W I N S K E Y wrote:
i refuse to credit models because i don't want other local photographers to contact them and shoot better pictures with them...

(That was humor, folks.)  That wouldn't be very likely, sir.  Your work is superb.  Keep it up!

Nov 18 12 04:03 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
THE IMAGE EDGE
Posts: 56
Portland, Oregon, US


I credit ALL my models, no matter what thier skill level..........and if they have become inactive MM and wether they are NON-MM models...........all DESERVE credit along with hairstylists, photoshoppers etc etc.
Nov 18 12 04:08 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Camerosity
Posts: 5,022
Saint Louis, Missouri, US


The way I see it, everyone who works with me is part of a team - and I want nothing but success for my other team members.

I may guard things like locations, techniques, my list of ideas... but I believe in crediting my team members and hope they'll do the same.

One of many things I look at in selecting models to work with is whether they credit other team members.
Nov 18 12 04:15 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Farenell Photography
Posts: 17,846
Albany, New York, US


Art of the nude wrote:
But normally, images are uploaded shortly after the session, and it should be fairly simple to find the profile.

Please don't assume everyone operates the same way.

I consider myself lucky if I bother uploading once or twice a year.

Nov 18 12 04:23 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
rmsoansphotography
Posts: 258
London, England, United Kingdom


FacadePhoto wrote:
There are many photographers, here on MM, who do not credit their models.  This makes it difficult for other photographers to track down a model they might want to work with.   Maybe that's the whole point of not providing a credit!

I'd like to hear comments from both models and photographers about listing--or NOT listing--model credits on a photo.

It's your forum!

There are a lot of photographers who just go to one particular shoot, give the models their card in order to contact them for the photos. Models don't get in contact with them for various reasons, so they can't possibly get credited...I know, that is what happens to me most times

Nov 18 12 04:38 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
BobbyAnthony
Posts: 58
Milton, Florida, US


I do as to me they deserve credit as they are part of the team producing and helping sell the thought within the photograph....
Nov 18 12 04:46 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Lamar
Posts: 72
Wilton, New Hampshire, US


Always, TFP or paid
Nov 18 12 04:52 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Thomas Van Dyke
Posts: 1,444
Washington, District of Columbia, US


FacadePhoto wrote:
There are many photographers, here on MM, who do not credit their models.  This makes it difficult for other photographers to track down a model they might want to work with...

For fashion narratives the browse function on Mayhem is far superior to viewing portfolios of other lens persons by several orders of magnitude... I need to know a talent's stat's... a.k.a. height; weight, measurements; dress size etc.  Viewing an image is of little if any relevance ...

When working for clothing designers sizing is paramount... their "one of" ensembles need talent of specific measurements... besides I seldom need to look beyond my collaborative team members... they have extensive repertoires and the synergy latent from numerous collaborations is priceless...

Might consider nurturing meaningful and enduring relationships with those whom bring worth and value to your image equation... that goes for all cherished team members be it lighting assistants, stylist, models etc... enough said...

Nov 18 12 05:03 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
MB Jen B
Posts: 2,833
Clarksville, Tennessee, US


MK Images Hawaii wrote:
I have had a model take it upon himself to "re-edit" my edit. For some reason or another, he had cropped the image and it looked terrible. Then he credited me. I hid those credits. I'd hate for someone to think that was my editing skills...

Ouch! Oh MK that is a rotten thing for someone to do!

By the way, as a sidebar. It was WONDERFUL to meet and shoot with you Sir!!

Mahalo and thank you for shooting after dark in the park and for this shot http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/30077942 !
Jen-back in AK yet, hope to return for a 4 day in Jan

Nov 19 12 01:07 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Viral Photo
Posts: 258
Richmond, Virginia, US


I credit everyone involved in the photo.  If they do not have an MM, I still credit them in the copyright line.
Nov 19 12 01:14 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Risen Phoenix Photo
Posts: 1,149
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US


If I pay a model, which is rare, I never credit them. If the shoot is TF I will likely credit.

I do have a couple models who work exclusively with me and though I may mention them in a caption will not credit them by request.  It seems that some models are sexually harassed by some photographers.
Nov 19 12 01:45 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Isis22
Posts: 2,257
Muncie, Indiana, US


Risen Phoenix Photo wrote:
If I pay a model, which is rare, I never credit them. If the shoot is TF I will likely credit.

I do have a couple models who work exclusively with me and though I may mention them in a caption will not credit them by request.  It seems that some models are sexually harassed by some photographers.

Why don't you credit a model if you pay them? It's just "likely" if it's a TF shoot? I would love to know your reasons.

Nov 19 12 01:51 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
imcFOTO
Posts: 579
Bothell, Washington, US


Chris Maxwell wrote:
Yes, they should.  Why not?

However, the photo load app could be improved to make this easier to do.

Agreed! I want to put the same credit against 10 shots in an upload not individually.

And yes I think everyone should credit everyone involved on a shoot - model, photographer, mua - isn't this site all about networking? If a model doesn't credit me I will ask her too - sometimes they forget - sometimes they don't even know to. No-one has ever said no.

Nov 21 12 08:12 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 11,780
Olivet, Michigan, US


Risen Phoenix Photo wrote:
If I pay a model, which is rare, I never credit them. If the shoot is TF I will likely credit.

I do have a couple models who work exclusively with me and though I may mention them in a caption will not credit them by request.  It seems that some models are sexually harassed by some photographers.

I don't pay often, but I proudly credit anyone who wants it.

Nov 21 12 09:11 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
PigeonFoo
Posts: 284
Syracuse, New York, US


It could just be my area.....but I find that it's the MODELS who are less likely to credit the photographers and not the other way around. Many models just 'forget' to credit the photographer in over half of their port.
Nov 22 12 08:50 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
G D Peters Photography
Posts: 2,906
North Platte, Nebraska, US


Though the reciprocal is not always there from models, as a photographer, I still believe it is the honorable and professional courtesy extended to those you have worked with, unless they wish to remain anonymous.  smile
Nov 22 12 09:07 am  Link  Quote 
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