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QuietAsKept
Posts: 5,935
Baltimore, Maryland, US


Since my portfolio isn't very developed, I've been shooting nudes on a TF basis. While I don't mind shooting them on a trade basis, I've been bumping into too many issues, even when I check references.

I have worked with a couple of photographers in the fall and winter that do not heat their studios before shoots. I just recently had a photographer schedule a shoot with me without informing me that he wouldn't be able to shoot with me.

I found out that he was shooting another model the exact day that he was supposed to shoot me because the model had contacted me as a reference.

I just feel that photographers have been taking advantage of me since I don't charge. It's mandatory that I build my portfolio but I'm very confused about what to do for future shoots.
Nov 21 12 06:21 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Moon Pix Photography
Posts: 3,890
Syracuse, New York, US


I suggest you get a few more pictures in your port... try to find a talented photographer in the area.  One great shoot could be all you need.

When I am looking to work with a nude model, I look for images that show her body well... well lit, with a lot of detail so I can see the skin, hair, face, etc.. clearly.  Then I look to see how she is able to express herself, creativity, etc...
Nov 21 12 06:28 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
a raw muse
Posts: 2,941
Brooklyn, New York, US


I highly highly recommend hiring one photographer, maybe two, who is very skilled with model portfolio work. I can recommend a few in the NYC area, if that's possible to travel up here. Or just look locally.

Once in a while it really pays to hire the right person to jumpstart your portfolio.

Also, I highly recommend bartering modeling time for a photographer's personal project for shots geared towards your portfolio. This is something I do a lot of the time; if a photographer has a project that is otherwise not appealing/fitting for a model's portfolio where they would otherwise need to hire a model, and I just so happen to need to update my portfolio (and they have examples of the type of work that is good for a portfolio), this might get photographers more invested in working together.

Good luck!
Nov 21 12 07:25 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Image Magik
Posts: 1,067
New Orleans, Louisiana, US


indefinite anomaly wrote:
I highly highly recommend hiring one photographer, maybe two, who is very skilled with model portfolio work. I can recommend a few in the NYC area, if that's possible to travel up here. Or just look locally.

Once in a while it really pays to hire the right person to jumpstart your portfolio.

Also, I highly recommend bartering modeling time for a photographer's personal project for shots geared towards your portfolio. This is something I do a lot of the time; if a photographer has a project that is otherwise not appealing/fitting for a model's portfolio where they would otherwise need to hire a model, and I just so happen to need to update my portfolio (and they have examples of the type of work that is good for a portfolio), this might get photographers more invested in working together.

Good luck!

Would like to find more models like you that do that:-)

Nov 21 12 07:34 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Image Magik
Posts: 1,067
New Orleans, Louisiana, US


QuietAsKept wrote:
Since my portfolio isn't very developed, I've been shooting nudes on a TF basis. While I don't mind shooting them on a trade basis, I've been bumping into too many issues, even when I check references.

I have worked with a couple of photographers in the fall and winter that do not heat their studios before shoots. I just recently had a photographer schedule a shoot with me without informing me that he wouldn't be able to shoot with me.

I found out that he was shooting another model the exact day that he was supposed to shoot me because the model had contacted me as a reference.

I just feel that photographers have been taking advantage of me since I don't charge. It's mandatory that I build my portfolio but I'm very confused about what to do for future shoots.

I don't think you charging or not charging has an affect on photographers "taking advantage of you" or not giving you the respect you feel you deserve. It's more based on what they think you can do for their port. If you pay them I guarantee you'll be getting a little more respect! lol Since it's trade it's based on assumed value:-)

Nov 21 12 07:38 pm  Link  Quote 
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Koryn
Posts: 35,654
Asheville, North Carolina, US


Image Magik wrote:

Would like to find more models like you that do that:-)

I offered to pay one photographer, once, for fitness photos.

He asked me to friend him on Facebook, then never responded again or sent me his rates, which I had requested.

*shrug*

Nov 21 12 07:58 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Melodye Joy
Posts: 542
Rancho Cucamonga, California, US


QuietAsKept wrote:
Since my portfolio isn't very developed, I've been shooting nudes on a TF basis. While I don't mind shooting them on a trade basis, I've been bumping into too many issues, even when I check references.

I have worked with a couple of photographers in the fall and winter that do not heat their studios before shoots. I just recently had a photographer schedule a shoot with me without informing me that he wouldn't be able to shoot with me.

I found out that he was shooting another model the exact day that he was supposed to shoot me because the model had contacted me as a reference.

I just feel that photographers have been taking advantage of me since I don't charge. It's mandatory that I build my portfolio but I'm very confused about what to do for future shoots.

I had done TF/trade/free shoots when I began, both implied and fashion. And just this last year and a half, I have seen such a change in the talents I book!

Having very little, I save up every month for at least ONE great shoot with a talented artist (photographer, makeup/hair stylist, wardrobe/fashion designer).

Sometimes you have to PAY to get PAID.

But that's only my personal experience.

xo
Bless!

Nov 21 12 08:03 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
BTHPhoto
Posts: 6,761
Fairbanks, Alaska, US


QuietAsKept wrote:
Since my portfolio isn't very developed, I've been shooting nudes on a TF basis. While I don't mind shooting them on a trade basis, I've been bumping into too many issues, even when I check references.

I have worked with a couple of photographers in the fall and winter that do not heat their studios before shoots. I just recently had a photographer schedule a shoot with me without informing me that he wouldn't be able to shoot with me.

I found out that he was shooting another model the exact day that he was supposed to shoot me because the model had contacted me as a reference.

I just feel that photographers have been taking advantage of me since I don't charge. It's mandatory that I build my portfolio but I'm very confused about what to do for future shoots.

People are going to take advantage of you whether you charge or not. That's just the way the human race works. 

I believe all art should be produced on a trade plus percentage of sale basis.  I'm fine with sharing the income if I make something from my images.  I'm sure there are exceptions, but my experience with models who are only in it for the money has been that they want to be paid to get by with as little effort as possible.  I would much rather work with someone who's passionate about producing images then share any income with them than to work with someone who's passionate about getting paid and have to fight to get passionate expression and effort out of them.

Nov 21 12 08:12 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
QuietAsKept
Posts: 5,935
Baltimore, Maryland, US


To respond to several of you all at once, the last time I paid a photographer was this past Spring. However, those images were for commercial print modeling (I was submitting to agencies then). Being that I never gained representation, I decided to put them in my portfolio on MM. Casting directors and advertisement agencies aren't gonna look on MM for models so I took them down (can't use they anyway since my hair was short then).

After spending more money on prints and such, I didn't have the money to hire an art nude photographer.
Nov 21 12 08:14 pm  Link  Quote 
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terrysphotocountry
Posts: 4,046
Rochester, New York, US


When I worked in a plaza studio we took there cc# over the phone. We told the customer that we would only charge them a sitting fee if they failed to show up for there appointment. You could do the same thing in reverse. $50.00 should take care of that problem?
Nov 21 12 08:16 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 11,780
Olivet, Michigan, US


QuietAsKept wrote:
Since my portfolio isn't very developed, I've been shooting nudes on a TF basis. While I don't mind shooting them on a trade basis, I've been bumping into too many issues, even when I check references.

I have worked with a couple of photographers in the fall and winter that do not heat their studios before shoots. I just recently had a photographer schedule a shoot with me without informing me that he wouldn't be able to shoot with me.

I found out that he was shooting another model the exact day that he was supposed to shoot me because the model had contacted me as a reference.

I just feel that photographers have been taking advantage of me since I don't charge. It's mandatory that I build my portfolio but I'm very confused about what to do for future shoots.

Tempting as it is to say "come shoot with me," I'll pass on that. 

Basically, I don't see how the problems you mention have anything to do with shooting trade.  Probably, the guy who shot with someone else when it was supposed to be you would have been MORE likely to do that if he was expected to pay you.  Kind of like someone canceling a trade shoot because they got a paid shoot, someone might cancel a shoot where they're paying because a trade opportunity came up.  "It's business" and all that.

Basically, for whatever reason, you're getting people who aren't conducting themselves professionally.  Shooting nude, and shooting trade, have relatively little if anything to do with that.

Nov 21 12 08:21 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
QuietAsKept
Posts: 5,935
Baltimore, Maryland, US


Art of the nude wrote:

Tempting as it is to say "come shoot with me," I'll pass on that. 

Basically, I don't see how the problems you mention have anything to do with shooting trade.  Probably, the guy who shot with someone else when it was supposed to be you would have been MORE likely to do that if he was expected to pay you.  Kind of like someone canceling a trade shoot because they got a paid shoot, someone might cancel a shoot where they're paying because a trade opportunity came up.  "It's business" and all that.

Basically, for whatever reason, you're getting people who aren't conducting themselves professionally.  Shooting nude, and shooting trade, have relatively little if anything to do with that.

The shoot when the guy canceled without informing me was a trade shoot (which he approached me about). I may have just posted what I said out of anger.

Nov 21 12 08:33 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
V Laroche
Posts: 2,745
New Orleans, Louisiana, US


You really only need ONE good photographer to start out with, really. It's nice if you can find someone who can pull off different concepts.

I just did this yesterday-- I want to get more promo work, and so we did 5-6 nice clean headshots and body shots in a few nice outfits in two hours. Then afterwards we shot some nudes for the photographer's portfolio. Then he bought me tacos. WINNING
Nov 21 12 08:40 pm  Link  Quote 
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NicoleNudes
Posts: 3,784
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Have you tried contacting Keith S Photography or ShootBare?
They are both in your area and from my knowledge they work together a lot and they both are *AMAZING*

I'd try contacting both of them for a shoot if you haven't already.
http://www.modelmayhem.com/1400896
http://www.modelmayhem.com/1225837

Other than that, I just tell you to try and keep shooting. Find people who have a good reputation in your area and work with them.

If you have to, save up your money and pay a very good photographer. That can open many many doors. I know from experience.

Oh, and if you need an experienced nude model to help you out contact Laura. She's also from that area and probably knows more photographer's that you can contact then I do. She's helped me out quite a bit. http://www.modelmayhem.com/856920
Nov 21 12 08:42 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 11,780
Olivet, Michigan, US


Art of the nude wrote:
Tempting as it is to say "come shoot with me," I'll pass on that. 

Basically, I don't see how the problems you mention have anything to do with shooting trade.  Probably, the guy who shot with someone else when it was supposed to be you would have been MORE likely to do that if he was expected to pay you.  Kind of like someone canceling a trade shoot because they got a paid shoot, someone might cancel a shoot where they're paying because a trade opportunity came up.  "It's business" and all that.

Basically, for whatever reason, you're getting people who aren't conducting themselves professionally.  Shooting nude, and shooting trade, have relatively little if anything to do with that.
QuietAsKept wrote:
The shoot when the guy canceled without informing me was a trade shoot (which he approached me about). I may have just posted what I said out of anger.

I understood.  I'm saying that if he would cancel on a trade shoot with you, he's certainly going to cancel on a shoot where he's paying you.  And, yeah, I can understand the frustration.

Nov 21 12 08:54 pm  Link  Quote 
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Shandra Stark
Posts: 13,588
Los Angeles, California, US


The problems you've mentioned don't seem to have anything to do with how much money you are, or are not, charging.

The issue seems to be with your selection process, and your ability to get what you need and be treated well.  Your ability to speak up, and make sure you et simple things like...heat.

This will probably seem way out of left field, but as I firmly believe that what you put out into the universe will come back to you, maybe a name change is in order. Your MM name might be making people think you're a pushover.  They might not even know it.  The name ,ould, on some level be attracting the kind of people who like to take advantage of others.

As a kid, I had a librarian named Mr. Reader.  I know a pastry chef with the last name Sweet, a musician named Chord, a rock-climber whose name is Traverse.  Coincidence?  Maybe.

Something to think about.
Dec 04 12 10:32 am  Link  Quote 
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Kent Art Photography
Posts: 2,649
Ashford, England, United Kingdom


Shandra Stark wrote:
The problems you've mentioned don't seem to have anything to do with how much money you are, or are not, charging.

The issue seems to be with your selection process, and your ability to get what you need and be treated well.  Your ability to speak up, and make sure you et simple things like...heat.

This will probably seem way out of left field, but as I firmly believe that what you put out into the universe will come back to you, maybe a name change is in order. Your MM name might be making people think you're a pushover.  They might not even know it.  The name ,ould, on some level be attracting the kind of people who like to take advantage of others.

As a kid, I had a librarian named Mr. Reader.  I know a pastry chef with the last name Sweet, a musician named Chord, a rock-climber whose name is Traverse.  Coincidence?  Maybe.

Something to think about.

Odd, but you might have a point.

Unfortunately, the OP seems to have disappeared, so there doesn't seem much point in offering her any advice, or continuing with this thread.

Dec 04 12 10:40 am  Link  Quote 
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Shandra Stark
Posts: 13,588
Los Angeles, California, US


Kent Art Photography wrote:
Odd, but you might have a point.

Unfortunately, the OP seems to have disappeared, so there doesn't seem much point in offering her any advice, or continuing with this thread.

I just noticed that, after my post.  Womp.

It's weird; I haven't been on the forums in over a year, and I know I used to see her here all the time.  Wonder why she'd choose now, to go.

Dec 04 12 10:43 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Eye of the World
Posts: 739
Corvallis, Oregon, US


Shandra Stark wrote:
It's weird; I haven't been on the forums in over a year, and I know I used to see her here all the time.  Wonder why she'd chose now, to go.

And after almost 6000 posts too.

Dec 04 12 11:02 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Farenell Photography
Posts: 17,849
Albany, New York, US


terrysphotocountry wrote:
When I worked in a plaza studio we took there cc# over the phone. We told the customer that we would only charge them a sitting fee if they failed to show up for there appointment. You could do the same thing in reverse. $50.00 should take care of that problem?

Good luck on that. Pros, defined as those that model as their main source of income, have trouble enough collecting.

Dec 04 12 11:12 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Rob Photosby
Posts: 2,230
Brisbane, Queensland, Australia


The OP has withdrawn her profile.
Dec 05 12 07:00 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Photographe
Posts: 2,350
Bristol, England, United Kingdom


Do nudes TF sure... but choose who. Don't do it free for cold callers.

This is probably where things are going wrong. Take more control.
Dec 05 12 07:05 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Paige Morgan
Posts: 4,058
New York, New York, US


natural beauties of qld wrote:
The OP has withdrawn her profile.

That's a shame...she was a cool poster. Hopefully she's just a bit burnt out and will be back after a hiatus.

Dec 05 12 12:00 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Photographe
Posts: 2,350
Bristol, England, United Kingdom


OP has a modelling page on FB I think...
Dec 05 12 02:00 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
SPierce Photography
Posts: 19,566
Amherst, Massachusetts, US


Train on over; i'll feed ya and put you up for a night-- and you'll end up with photos (and a heated studio).

Unfortunately, there are always a few... hmm
Dec 05 12 02:04 pm  Link  Quote 
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