-B-R-U-N-E-S-C-I- wrote:

Once I've uploaded my images I'll let you know

I can't imagine that Art+Commerce would actually go to the trouble of creating a photo library on this scale if they didn't expect to sell some images through it.

There is one user on here who caught the eye of the Vogue editors via her submissions to PhotoVogue and who has benefited greatly from it. I won't 'out' her in this thread but a cursory glance through the other threads on the subject will provde plenty of clues.


Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

What do you have to upload images for? I thought the image bank was Photo Vogue?

There are lots of people who are benefiting from being seen there. Look up Benjo Arwas. Then there are lots of Russians too, Chinese, lots.

That is why I said use it for what it's worth. Yet the Photo Vogue site is a spring board for a huge photo library first.

I have no idea what A&C will charge for use but I wouldn't be surprised if it was in line with the other stock agencies. So just saying, don't count on much.

orias wrote:
Forgive me for still not seeing passing stage 2 to be a serious industry reflection of anyones massive skill in creating a killer piece of art work that would blow away Vogue

OK then, why not take up my challenge and see how long it takes you to get a handful of images accepted?

You seem to be arguing that it's worthless, when in fact you just described a pretty serious screening process. Of course, nobody's claiming that inclusion in PhotoVogue is the same as getting a cover of the printed magazine, but it's certainly not the worthless sop that you're making it out to be.

Add to that the fact that ALL accepted images are then eligible to be uploaded to the Art+Commerce stock library for potential licensing to real world clients paying real money for the privilege and maybe you'll realise why I don't feel it's any skin off my nose to upload a few of my images from time to time.



Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

-B-R-U-N-E-S-C-I- wrote:
OK then, why not take up my challenge and see how long it takes you to get a handful of images accepted?

You seem to be arguing that it's worthless, when in fact you just described a pretty serious screening process. Of course, nobody's claiming that inclusion in PhotoVogue is the same as getting a cover of the printed magazine, but it's certainly not the worthless sop that you're making it out to be.

Add to that the fact that ALL accepted images are then eligible to be uploaded to the Art+Commerce stock library for potential licensing to real world clients paying real money for the privilege and maybe you'll realise why I don't feel it's any skin off my nose to upload a few of my images from time to time.



Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

As a photographer i joined a long time ago and had a photo accepted of a pair of hands with a flower inthem..... i deleted my profile as i have hundreds of profiles i need to maintain for work and that profile had no inclination to benefit my career.   Whether that photo is still floating around on their site or may end up in some commercial, i could care less.  IF someone wants to hand me a check then cool.  But otherwise i dont require an ego boost or tapping a lucrative market anymore than i already have in my fields. 

As a model i am in several photographs on there that i've been told about.  apparently 4.  one of which you can barely see me so i don't count it.   But none of them are relevant to my modeling ability just because they think they can sell them as stock images to an affiliate later.  IF any of those 4 were published in the magazine i would dramatically lose respect for the magazine's standards as i do not feel that work is reflective of their long standing reputation just because it peaked someones interest while cimultaneously eating a banana and listening to the beatles during their monotonous daily selection routine lol.

Neil Snape wrote:
What do you have to upload images for? I thought the image bank was Photo Vogue?

No, that's just the initial springboard.

If you then decide sign up to the Art+Commerce site you have to upload hi-res copies of the files for the stock library - nobody's going to pay much for an 800px jpeg!

Neil Snape wrote:
I have no idea what A&C will charge for use but I wouldn't be surprised if it was in line with the other stock agencies. So just saying, don't count on much.

Check for yourself

http://photovogue.artandcommerce.com/li … =mostlikes

- $2640 for a magazine cover, 50,000 circulation, 1 month, worldwide + internet.

- $325 for a 1/4 page magazine interior, 25,00 circulation, 1 month, UK + internet.

Art+Commerce takes a 50% commission, so the cover would buy me a new lens with change to spare and the interior would buy me a new copy of Lightroom. For images that would otherwise have been sitting gathering dust on my hard drives I'm not going to sniff at that.



Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

S W I N S K E Y wrote:
My work hangs in two galleries at the moment...I sell a couple large art prints every couple of months.

There are images of mine that been hanging for months that haven't been sold.

so am i lessening the value of my creativity and skill by letting them be included in the gallery when i am not making any money off them?...of course not.

Photo Vogue is the same paradigm. like my galleries, there is inherent value and status to have my work included...is it a tear sheet or published credit, of course not.

whats different about PV, then all the other image hosting websites?
there is an acceptance criteria, and you can all mock the acceptance criteria all you want, but my images are included and that opens doors...

I'll be listening to my elders and submit some of my work sometimes... hoping something will be accepted.

Chesterfield Hector wrote:
Is it easy to be photo of the day? I  just uploaded a pic and it says it is the photo of the day??

If you mean this then no, it doesn't appear to be picture of the day but it has been selected for PhotoVogue, so congrats!




Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

-B-R-U-N-E-S-C-I- wrote:

Neil Snape wrote:
What do you have to upload images for? I thought the image bank was Photo Vogue?

No, that's just the initial springboard.

If you then decide sign up to the Art+Commerce site you have to upload hi-res copies of the files for the stock library - nobody's going to pay much for an 800px jpeg!


Check for yourself

http://photovogue.artandcommerce.com/li … =mostlikes

- $2640 for a magazine cover, 50,000 circulation, 1 month, worldwide + internet.

- $325 for a 1/4 page magazine interior, 25,00 circulation, 1 month, UK + internet.

Art+Commerce takes a 50% commission, so the cover would buy me a new lens with change to spare and the interior would buy me a new copy of Lightroom. For images that would otherwise have been sitting gathering dust on my hard drives I'm not going to sniff at that.



Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

That is a little high for 1/4 page editorial. The competition is enormous. Stock agencies have more than enough. And they drove the stock shooters out of business by offering magazines monthly subscription rates.



Let us see a sales report. There, will be the reality of the situation.

Not only that good luck in getting your ITN8 before receiving payment for royalties.

I'm sure they can sell images from their roster though for that amount or more.

When working with Marie France last time, I asked the art director why they bought Miles Aldridge pictures. She said because they couldn't ever hire him, but through subscription the images came in at the same price as any other re-edition rates that their in house agency pays: a lot less than the numbers Art & Commerce are posting.

Chesterfield Hector wrote:
Is it easy to be photo of the day? I  just uploaded a pic and it says it is the photo of the day??

From where I see it the day is still Nov 24 and the Photo of the day is still mine

http://www.vogue.it/en/photovogue

Maybe I'll get to stay up the weekend.

NothingIsRealButTheGirl wrote:

From where I see it the day is still Nov 24 and the Photo of the day is still mine

http://www.vogue.it/en/photovogue

Maybe I'll get to stay up the weekend.

Yup still is. Very nice, and with that all the pictures of the day are collected for a book, or printing in theory.

MC Photo wrote:
I don't believe that anyone who's opinion matters is mislead.

You don't think that if a photographer leads a llama to believe that she has been published in a major fashion magazine, that the llama's opinion about it matters?

Please share when it's NOT okay to lie to one's llama. Do our opinions EVER matter?

MC Photo wrote:
That's really your own issue.

They are having the excitement that anyone would have over their biggest achievement, and it's probably their biggest achievement. Why not let them have their moment? It doesn't harm you.

What a load!!!! If a model knocks a couple years off her age, people break out the pitchforks! If a photographer LIES and MISLEADS about his or her industry cred, it's all gravy.

Blaine Dixon wrote:
They also say they recruit new young photographers for their magazine through the online photo Vogue  that lets me out because I am ancient! 

And they ask birthdates right up front.

orias wrote:
As a photographer i joined a long time ago and had a photo accepted of a pair of hands with a flower inthem..... i deleted my profile



As a model i am in several photographs on there that i've been told about.  apparently 4.  one of which you can barely see me so i don't count it.   But none of them are relevant to my modeling ability just because they think they can sell them as stock images to an affiliate later.  IF any of those 4 were published in the magazine i would dramatically lose respect for the magazine's standards as i do not feel that work is reflective of their long standing reputation just because it peaked someones interest while cimultaneously eating a banana and listening to the beatles during their monotonous daily selection routine lol.

if there is no value in PhotoVogue Italy, why do you keep your profile over there?
http://www.vogue.it/en/photovogue/Profi … 82d20/User
where no single one of your images was (yet) accepted?
Oh, I got it, their taste and opinion are so totally worthless to you that you don't submit any images, just don't delete your profile again?
Or you just give us your so valuable opinion while "cimultaneously" eating a banana and listening to the beatles during your monotonous daily?

I would not comment if you wasn't so persistent. You can have your own opinion, of course, but what is you personal criteria of quality then? Or it's not discussable? I.e. it's one way road?

I'm not trying to change your opinion, just to better understand. Looks like you contradict yourself, at least a little bit.

NothingIsRealButTheGirl wrote:

And they ask birthdates right up front.

Maybe I just assumed they wanted young photographers ? Anyway for me for what its worth it is fun to have the images selected.

Blaine Dixon wrote:

Maybe I just assumed they wanted young photographers ? Anyway for me for what its worth it is fun to have the images selected.

Maybe ultimately they do.

Blaine Dixon wrote:
Maybe I just assumed they wanted young photographers ? Anyway for me for what its worth it is fun to have the images selected.

NothingIsRealButTheGirl wrote:
Maybe ultimately they do.

Damn! Where's my fake ID that says I'm 12 so I get into movies for half price?!
*runs to change birthdate on PhotoVogue profile*

Blaine Dixon wrote:
Maybe I just assumed they wanted young photographers ? Anyway for me for what its worth it is fun to have the images selected.

I realize that it's important too, but not sure they put a lot of weight into this particular one. I'm a 56 y.o. geezer -- but I don't assume that they wanted me the slightest, of course. They just accepted some of my images. In many occasions I thought I would rather select more interesting images that were rejected, and they still accepted totally different ones I would not consider to be of higher value, initially. So, it was a learning experience to me to start seeing some things by their eyes, at least a little bit.

ChiMo wrote:
*runs to change birthdate on PhotoVogue profile*

It's too late

orias wrote:
yes they accept hundreds of images a day on average..... and if they're supposedly rejecting 90% of them.  that means stage one they will reject 90% of x amount of applicants.  and then stage 2 (aka the big boss) will reject 90% of those that come up the ladder to eventually get PHotoVogues seal of approval

if 400 images a day accepted is the 10% passing of the top of the latter that people are claiming as their standards then the person at the top is reviewing 4,000 images a day (500 per hour for 8 hrs or over 8 images a minute and this is assuming no breaks in an 8hr work day and that the person has literally no other responsibilities like talking to their boss on the phone, answering collegue emails, etc.).  the people below that have claimed those to be the highest 10% they feel are stamp candidates from the 40,000 they receive each day. 

In reality this person probably reviews over 20 images a minute for the stage 2 of the process.  (i put more thought and intent on my shoe selection than that lol as i weigh more than just what may give me a good stock closet later)

then stage 3 being the promotion to image of the day has more scrutiny and time in discerning the best candidates.  And then Publication worthy images will receive the most attention of course

Forgive me for still not seeing passing stage 2 to be a serious industry reflection of anyones massive skill in creating a killer piece of art work that would blow away Vogue

So you think a actual photo editor takes longer then a few seconds to review an image?  20 images in 2 mins, sure why not.

Let me answer, it's not.  There is no difference between impressing her via photo vogue or at a portfolio review.  A few seconds is all you get.

V Laroche wrote:
IDK, some models definitely are under the impression that they have been "published in Vogue" with the photo to prove it. It seems meaningless. They choose the photo of the day, but isn't ANY other shot allowed up on the site? Do they discriminate against hermit crabs?

Even if they DO discriminate against crustaceans, what do you think about putting stamped images in one's portfolio? Just seems really pretentious to me.

The quality of the photography is really good... so in that sense it's nice. 

It's not a tearsheet.  It's a stamp of approval for a particular site with name recognition.  You don't get paid.  Being featured anywhere is good.  As a bit of addition to a photo it's aesthetically unpleasant and misleading. 

As you can see I've put more thought into it than necessary!

Personally if I was to ever get featured (and I've tried a few times) I would post about it on my social media and that would be the end of it.  Not something I would replace whatever original images were in my website or mm port or wherever you feature an actual portfolio.  There clearly is the perception it's misleading and trendy so why open that can of worms?  I just can't get too thrilled when I don't get paid or physical tearsheets anymore.

But for what other people do, they can put whatever in their port and if it helps them get ahead by paid work or promotion or psychologically then huzzah!

Rollo David Snook wrote:
I feel like saying aim higher.

It's perfectly possible to aim a lot higher while still uploading a few images to PhotoVogue every now and again

As long as you don't let it become your sole focus and only ambition, I don't really see the harm in it, especially if it might lead to new people seeing your work and/or the occasional royalty cheque...



Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

Dan OMell wrote:
if there is no value in PhotoVogue Italy, why do you keep your profile over there?
http://www.vogue.it/en/photovogue/Profi … 82d20/User
where no single one of your images was (yet) accepted?
Oh, I got it, their taste and opinion are so totally worthless to you that you don't submit any images, just don't delete your profile again?
Or you just give us your so valuable opinion while "cimultaneously" eating a banana and listening to the beatles during your monotonous daily?

I would not comment if you wasn't so persistent. You can have your own opinion, of course, but what is you personal criteria of quality then? Or it's not discussable? I.e. it's one way road?

I'm not trying to change your opinion, just to better understand. Looks like you contradict yourself, at least a little bit.

i have yet to contradict myself if you actually read anything i have written more than just developing an obsession with me and searching my name all over the place in your boredom lol.  I signed up years ago for their site as a photog under my commercial photography name and real name and uploaded my first pic which was of my girlfriend at the time rachel.  it was accepted and i just assumed they accepted everybodys images if they werent offensive as there was some pretty lame stuff on there back then.  I deleted that profile.  MY photography is not under my model name... that would just be absurd as my paths are not always complimentary.  that secondary profile was when i thought there was an ability to sign up as a model and wanted access to certain aspects of the site for communication. 

do not jump to assume i'm a fucking retard and made up everything because my eperience invalidates your perspective of me  IF rachel still has the stamped pic from years ago i will gladly send it to you so you can stop your obsession.  I'm sorry that everyone else lies and bullshits themselves so much around you that you have to unfairly assume everyone is that much of an asshat to justify your accusations and attacks on their character. 

We can gladly discuss my opinions on quality control if you want to fly down to me or meet me one one of my many trips and discuss this face to face where you can see that i am a very honest and upfront person and don't appreciate being lashed out at simply because some people have their panties in a bunch over some very non exclusive fan club. 

I'm trying to remain as close to on topic as possible and don't want to keep getting led astray purposefully. 

We're discussing a site that i have thoroughly explored and i have a belief shared by many who tried out the site and also felt no worth past an unnecessary pat on the back until financially proven otherwise down the road that there is more to it than that... but that has yet to happen to the vast majority of acceptees. 

I'd love to see proof of payouts though from those that were truly acknowledged for their skill and contribution to the site

AJScalzitti wrote:
So you think a actual photo editor takes longer then a few seconds to review an image?  20 images in 2 mins, sure why not.

Let me answer, it's not.  There is no difference between impressing her via photo vogue or at a portfolio review.  A few seconds is all you get.

to be precise i said 20+ images in 1 minute.  And yeah someone who has been doing this a long time will go through much quicker.  but my point is that someone whose accepted only had 3 seconds of judgement.  is that 3 seconds glance worth so much to people's self worth of their art versus lengthy feedbacks from relatively top people on this site who seek nothing to gain from their participation? 

that's like going up to your hero,  getting 3 seconds (again i said this is a very generous estimate as it may well be in fact much less as i dont have their actual numbers in hand) to pour your heart out and await their thumbs up or thumbs down.  Theres no reasoning given for their thumbs up or down to help you base any self opinions on.  a maximum of 3 seconds isn't enough time to feel art.  it's only enough to see colors, shapes, and maybe a lens flare.  then within those same seconds you have to decide if you don't hate it and push the button to put it on the social site to keep the population and traffic up 

Rollo David Snook wrote:
It's not so expensive to rent a wall in a gallery and create a PR buzz, make some money and lots of connections and actually be in complete control of the entire thing.

I'm aiming at my own website, art directing a printed publication and marketing in conjunction with events, exhibitions etc.

I don't generally post anything on FB, DA etc. Even my behance is a few years old.

I found that over the years, picture libraries lose pictures and if you move house or phone number and don't remember to tell people, you lose money too.

Agents are worth their salt though, and I happily give 25% and a big hug.

However something like this is applicable for a lot of MM users probably, although I feel like saying aim higher.

Great approach

Chesterfield Hector wrote:
Is it easy to be photo of the day? I  just uploaded a pic and it says it is the photo of the day??

Wow easier than getting a MM pic of the day.

orias wrote:

We're discussing a site that i have thoroughly explored and i have a belief shared by many who tried out the site and also felt no worth past an unnecessary pat on the back until financially proven otherwise down the road that there is more to it than that... but that has yet to happen to the vast majority of acceptees. 

I'd love to see proof of payouts though from those that were truly acknowledged for their skill and contribution to the site

I think your spot on. I did a web search, using a couple of different approaches and, as of yet, the fantasy of receiving royalties from Art&Commerce has yet to become even a single reality from what I could ascertain for photovogue users. This may be, as Snape pointed out, due to pricing. However, since the market is primarily Conde Nast, and the editors are supposedly winnowing through the chafe of the Internet to find the quarter page or cover for those magazines, they have a price point that works possibly for them. That they haven't found images suitable enough yet, or that the system has yet to function to its potential maybe due to the blizzard of images that besieges the editorial eye so that they become tired and numbed and can't find what works.

It seems their criterion for image selection for photovogue doesn't match up with Conde Naste magazine requirements and this maybe the heart of the problem for them.

V Laroche wrote:

You don't think that if a photographer leads a model to believe that she has been published in a major fashion magazine, that the model's opinion about it matters?

Please share when it's NOT okay to lie to one's model. Do our opinions EVER matter?

I don't believe that there are any models who genuinely believe they have been published in a major fashion magazine who have not been.

I think if you find any models claiming that, it's not because they've been misled, it's because they are doing the misleading.

NothingIsRealButTheGirl wrote:
Hey, look at that! I got a third one...

http://www.vogue.it/en/photovogue/Profi … 76f04/User

I think that's great:)

Jules NYC wrote:

I think that's great:)

Thank you

NothingIsRealButTheGirl wrote:

Thank you

NothingIsRealButTheGirl wrote:
Hey, look at that! I got a third one...

http://www.vogue.it/en/photovogue/Profi … 76f04/User

I think that makes you a staff photographer for Italian Vogue.

MC Photo wrote:
I don't believe that there are any models who genuinely believe they have been published in a major fashion magazine who have not been.

I think if you find any models claiming that, it's not because they've been misled, it's because they are doing the misleading.

That's very convenient for you, but many of us have spoken to models who believe they have been in Vogue Italia. I have seen them myself, and also have gotten several PMs today about them.

Anyway, the point of my thread was just to inform people about this so nobody else would be mislead. If my thread is redundant, that's cool B)

The point of my thread is NOT that PhotoVogue is stupid or pointless. The point was just that it is NOT Vogue Italia. That's all. I am not attacking everyone who has ever had a photo up on PhotoVogue. I really care nothing about that. I AM wagging a disapproving finger at those who are claiming to have a Vogue tearsheet because they are on PV. That just ain't right.

orias wrote:
i have yet to contradict myself if you actually read anything i have written more than just developing an obsession with me and searching my name all over the place in your boredom

I don't want to be personal, but you make me.

I'm not focused on you, my interest is primarily on PhotoVogue Italy topic and it wasn't initiated by you. You're not an OP, just the most vocal and load critic of them here. This was the single reason I spend 10 second of my life to type "orias" into PhotoVogue search to find zero of your images accepted by them, at your profile over there. Nothing more. Those are just simple FACTS.
Yes, I read the whole tread, but it's because I have an "obsession" with them, not you. Sorry about that.

As for the process, as far as I know, they review maximum 3 images per day from a person, and select only about 10 images (or something like that) per day. For somebody who does this for a living, there is no need to watch some shit for hours to reject it, I assume. I don't believe there are zillions images and the Vogue editor hands over everything to some interns as you stated earlier, and not totally responsible at least for the final selection(s).

Monetary compensation isn't priority for everybody. Some people are in photography not for survival or just to make a quick buck. At least money is not the measurement of my interest. But by some reason (probably very weird to you) I would put much more weight and authority to the opinions of the editors and don't trust too much your painting their work as being very "lame stuff". You don't drill into much details why you think so, but I assure you it's very debatable in my personal opinion.

No, I don't think that you're "a fucking retard" at all. Who is a retarded is me for trying to "defend" them in front of you! -- they actually don't need my "protection" by my nullity -- they are an absolute authority, after all, IMHO. I'm not jumping to any conclusions about you either. I don't know you, but I just dare be your respectful opponent. I'm not talking about your art, just about your opinion about them. By the way, the best way to convince somebody in something is to show something better. Much better. Show me that they suck. Drill down into more details. Maybe you have the greatest potential and are the future editor of Vogue Italy. Why not? Especially if somebody over there does not know what they are doing. Replace them. Be really vocal. So far I see just battle-cry and very wide generalization, sorry about that. And, by the way, I believe in you, no kidding...

V Laroche wrote:
many of us have spoken to models who believe they have been in Vogue Italia. I have seen them myself, and also have gotten several PMs today about them.

I don't know who is more retarded the models or photographers then. They cannot read, don't have Internet, or just plain lazy?  If somebody is just after money, it's unavoidable anyways after all. Nothing helps. No fucking knight on the white horse gonna help them, anyways, "to not being in Vogue".
Why should I care, for example, tell me?

-B-R-U-N-E-S-C-I- wrote:

Neil Snape wrote:
What do you have to upload images for? I thought the image bank was Photo Vogue?

No, that's just the initial springboard.

If you then decide sign up to the Art+Commerce site you have to upload hi-res copies of the files for the stock library - nobody's going to pay much for an 800px jpeg!


Check for yourself

http://photovogue.artandcommerce.com/li … =mostlikes

- $2640 for a magazine cover, 50,000 circulation, 1 month, worldwide + internet.




- $325 for a 1/4 page magazine interior, 25,00 circulation, 1 month, UK + internet.

Art+Commerce takes a 50% commission, so the cover would buy me a new lens with change to spare and the interior would buy me a new copy of Lightroom. For images that would otherwise have been sitting gathering dust on my hard drives I'm not going to sniff at that.





Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

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