Forums > Photography Talk > Pirelli Calendar 2013 - Steve McCurry...opinions?

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M Pandolfo Photography

Posts: 12117

Tampa, Florida, US

I don't think anybody would argue his talent or his history of making amazing images. What I saw hear were gorgeous models and beautiful images. What I didn't see was anything remotely attributable to the Pirelli Calendar.

If this was shot for National Geographic or Conde Naste I would say great. But, cmon, even though it's the Pirelli Calendar, and it's taken on a fame of its own, it's still a calendar.

Can we superimpose Mario Sorrenti's 2012 images onto the 2013 calendar?

Nov 28 12 07:55 am Link

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M Pandolfo Photography

Posts: 12117

Tampa, Florida, US

DennisRoliffPhotography wrote:
a railroad tracks shot?

Laughed so hard when I saw that. Yes, even the legendary Steve McCurry.

Nov 28 12 07:58 am Link

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Alien LiFe

Posts: 934

San Jose, California, US

S W I N S K E Y wrote:
beautiful images, but:

- pirelli calendar

- top shelf models

- Rio de Janeiro

- clothing

one of these things doesnt belong in the list...

... and McCurry ??

Odd ... but I like those images ... except that HDR one ... wink

Nov 28 12 09:49 am Link

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Managing Light

Posts: 2678

Salem, Virginia, US

Beautiful images.

Maybe Perelli management realized that a changeup was needed: when you've been doing the same theme for a lot of years...

I suspect that they are aware of an change in their market (more women customers) and the increased scrutiny worldwide on treating women in a more balanced way.

Nov 28 12 11:38 am Link

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alessandro cecconi

Posts: 166

Milan, Lombardy, Italy

-JAY- wrote:
I wanna go to rio.

been here for quite some time. Best place in the world

Nov 28 12 12:07 pm Link

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alessandro cecconi

Posts: 166

Milan, Lombardy, Italy

S W I N S K E Y wrote:
beautiful images, but:

- pirelli calendar

- top shelf models

- Rio de Janeiro

- clothing

one of these things doesnt belong in the list...

Exactly!!

Nov 28 12 12:08 pm Link

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D M E C K E R T

Posts: 4786

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Interesting to see the opinions.

Personally, I think they're ghastly. Or perhaps just disappointing. They're not bad at all. They look like something out of a Joe McNally tutorial video but with poorly dressed supermodels in place of random folks with character.

McCurry is a legend. But honestly this doesn't even look like he took the photos to me. I feel like anyone could've taken these (assuming an appropriate skill level). It's not his genre, or typical for Pirelli, but it could've been so much more.

Nov 28 12 06:02 pm Link

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H5D PHOTOGRAPHER

Posts: 3837

Gig Harbor, Washington, US

As a body of portrait work I think the images are really special... HOWEVER... & this is a big however... I find this to be an anti climax for a Pirelli Calendar. Its got nothing to do with nudity or lack of it... its more to do with the sensuality that the Calendar has embodied for the last 5 decades.

I respect Steve's work but this is a huge miscalculation by Pirelli for going in this direction ... Its like National Geographic suddenly deciding that they are going to change things up & start shooting Maxim style content for their publication... It just doesn't fit the branding!

I still think Demarchelier's 2005 along with Mert & Marcus' 2006 Calendars were some of the best! Classically beautiful & simple.

Nov 28 12 06:49 pm Link

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Nikki Magnusson

Posts: 6844

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

2006 Pirelli Calendar with Jennifer Lopez .. Giselle Bundchen .. Guinevere Van Seenus .. Dean Johnson .. Karen Elson .. Natalia Vodianova.. https://a4.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/142/d006ac7e2fb94fd49cbecfe56d278bc7/l.gifhttps://a4.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/141/83794924d19943afa2a365622d1d9fe1/l.gifhttps://a3.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/43/3c652048ad4144b2b346d2bbb5870272/l.gif

Nov 28 12 06:54 pm Link

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You Can Call Me Pierre

Posts: 800

Loma Linda, California, US

Karl's Mythology was epic and opulent.

Nov 28 12 07:54 pm Link

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Giacomo Cirrincioni

Posts: 22232

Stamford, Connecticut, US

Love the photographs, but they're not want I want to see in the Pirelli Calender.

Nov 28 12 11:05 pm Link

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PhotoPower

Posts: 1487

Elmsdale, Nova Scotia, Canada

Thanks for posting the link. This is really terrific stuff. It's gotta be the dream location shoot of a lifetime! There will likely be all sorts of location-shoot tours now popping up in Rio! Would be awesome to check out that city with good reliable guide or two!! Does anybody remember which South American country provides so many supermodels?? Chile? Not sure.

Nov 28 12 11:19 pm Link

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Scott Sansenbach

Posts: 568

Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US

Really enjoyed the video. Seems like a dream assignment!

Nov 28 12 11:21 pm Link

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MC Photo

Posts: 4144

New York, New York, US

Genius!

Someday I want to shoot the playmate of the year fully clothed in every shot, except the centerfold, where she'd wear two layers.


The IQ was nice, especially the video. The weird HDR shot was - weird.

The thing is, just because you can say "making it clothed makes it about the models and all the different things they do" doesn't make it true. Those photos were about nothing. He shot landscapes with models in them. There was one shot with a second person in it who was more prominent than the model.

Steve McCurry did a great job of being himself. Outside of that one NG photo, everything I've seen from him is landscapes - shapes, objects. They may evoke a feeling, but they are never photos of a feeling and that's exactly what he gave Pirelli. He was the wrong choice in terms of content.

I bet is was a fairly big payday for him. You know you've achieved something worthwhile in the past when people hire you for jobs your not appropriate for. It should be clear to him and any management team that he's a brand now. He should have a set of Lightroom plugins, he should have an instructional video, he should have weekend workshops and crazy expensive location workshops.

Sony should make a special edition camera with his name on it. Remember the Eddie Bauer Jeep? How about the Sony A99 McCurry edition with an extra JPEG preset with his contrast and saturation in-camera. "Well, there's Nikon and Canon, but if you want to shoot landscapes you might want to check out the A99 Steve McCurry edition...."


On the bright side, this has opened up the Pirelli calendar to "creativity". Next year they can hire someone to shoot it with Instagram on an iPhone.

Nov 29 12 01:30 am Link

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Paul Tirado Photography

Posts: 4363

New York, New York, US

While a Steve Curry fan, I don't think - even in his realm of portraiture - that this was anywhere near his best work, especially some which seem to have too much of an HDR feel.

Also - as 4824 other posters have mentioned - when I think Pirelli Calender, I want to see sexy. I understand the concept of mixing it up but when you have gone so many years you like new creative approaches but you at least expect the trademarks....and by trademarks I kind of mean....boobs. 

I mean if in the latest Bond film, the showed Bond going to Bible Study, drinking a milkshake, taking a bus and telling the ladies that he "just wants to cuddle" - there would have been issues as well.

Nov 29 12 02:13 am Link

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Paul Tirado Photography

Posts: 4363

New York, New York, US

MC Photo wrote:
On the bright side, this has opened up the Pirelli calendar to "creativity".

I think Nick Knight's 2004 calendar flung that door wide open. While kind of out there, he did not forget the trademarks...and by trademarks I mean....well see post above. lol

Nov 29 12 02:26 am Link

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Karl Clifford

Posts: 226

Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia

give me last year's calendar any day. this just sucks.

Nov 29 12 03:45 am Link

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Jerry Nemeth

Posts: 33355

Dearborn, Michigan, US

PhotoPower wrote:
Thanks for posting the link. This is really terrific stuff. It's gotta be the dream location shoot of a lifetime! There will likely be all sorts of location-shoot tours now popping up in Rio! Would be awesome to check out that city with good reliable guide or two!! Does anybody remember which South American country provides so many supermodels?? Chile? Not sure.

The 2016 Olympics will be in Rio.  Rio will be the location for many photographs.

Nov 29 12 03:48 am Link

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Jerry Nemeth

Posts: 33355

Dearborn, Michigan, US

KARL CLIFFORD wrote:
give me last year's calendar any day. this just sucks.

It does not matter what anyone here thinks!  Pirelli has used his photography on their calendar!

Nov 29 12 03:52 am Link

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Richard Northwood

Posts: 243

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Charming video but I'll probably switch back to Good Year's

Nov 29 12 04:38 am Link

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Toby Key

Posts: 322

Chichester, England, United Kingdom

Well he got the rail road tracks in but seems to have completely forgotten about the caution tape.

He'll never make it on Model Mayhem.

Nov 29 12 05:07 am Link

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MMDesign

Posts: 18647

Louisville, Kentucky, US

MC Photo wrote:
Steve McCurry did a great job of being himself.

So, who did you want him to be?

And saying that all he shoots is landscapes means you don't know that much about his work. Take a look at this:

http://www.peterfetterman.com/exhibitio … otographs/

Nov 29 12 05:49 am Link

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Matt Knowles

Posts: 3592

Ferndale, California, US

Watching the video:
• Sexy Brazil location - check
• Hot brunette model - check
• Get her sheer dress wet - check

See the final photo - Um, what happened Steve?

Nov 29 12 10:17 am Link

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Kelvin Hammond

Posts: 17397

Billings, Montana, US

Fred Greissing wrote:
The images are simply beautiful.

Such are contrast with the plastic photoshop look
of so much fashion today.

I thought so too, but I had to look because I don't ordinarily use the words "sexy" and "Steve McCurry" in the same sentence, let alone in connection with the Pirelli Calendar.

For a moment, I imagined that Pirelli shitcanned the usual practice of putting seductive women in the calendar in favor of pygmy's from New Guinea.

and I agree... much of fashion is completely devoid of anything interesting these days. It's rare I even do a double take in Vogue, or for that matter, bother myself to look at it at all.


I think what some people on here fail to realize is that Pirelli can and has hired the best and most expensive photographers and models for their calendars - they have the means to do anything they want to...

and this time they wanted it Steve McCurry style.

Nov 29 12 10:47 am Link

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MC Photo

Posts: 4144

New York, New York, US

MMDesign wrote:

So, who did you want him to be?

And saying that all he shoots is landscapes means you don't know that much about his work. Take a look at this:

http://www.peterfetterman.com/exhibitio … otographs/

I didn't word it right. I've seen photos he's shot that aren't landscapes. And when I say "landscapes" I'm thinking of photos that have people in them, but they are not portraits.

The very first photo on the cover in the link you posted is an example. The land isn't open land, it's a city, but it's a scene not a portrait. The same with the giant ship photos.

I'll fully agree with you if you want to argue this isn't a landscape photo, but I think it's close enough for the context of this discussion.

https://prod-images.exhibit-e.com/templates_exhibit-e_com/TIBET_10114_720.jpg

Nov 29 12 12:53 pm Link

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MC Photo

Posts: 4144

New York, New York, US

MMDesign wrote:

So, who did you want him to be?

And saying that all he shoots is landscapes means you don't know that much about his work. Take a look at this:

http://www.peterfetterman.com/exhibitio … otographs/

As far as who did I want him to be? What I mean is that he kept his identity rather than adapt to the identity of the Pirelli calendar.

Nov 29 12 12:55 pm Link

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MMDesign

Posts: 18647

Louisville, Kentucky, US

MC Photo wrote:

As far as who did I want him to be? What I mean is that he kept his identity rather than adapt to the identity of the Pirelli calendar.

Right, I assume that's why they hire different photographers, so they bring their own style to the shoots. That said, they had to know up front that he wasn't going to shoot naked women so you really can't blame him.

Nov 29 12 01:53 pm Link

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GSmithPhoto

Posts: 749

Alameda, California, US

John Fisher wrote:
When I get bored I tell the models to take their clothes off, apparently when Pirelli's art director gets bored he tells the models to put their clothes on!

And they send some guy from Nat Geo to shoot the calendar? Railroad tracks? Really? Maybe next year they'll hire some great wedding photographer. How about senior portraits, when do they get their shot?

Please.

Fire the entire creative team, the lazy farts have spent too much time drinking wine and smoking weed.

John
--
John Fisher
900 West Avenue, Suite 633
Miami Beach, Florida 33139
305 534-9322
http://www.johnfisher.com

including your contact information in case they want you to shoot 2014?

Nov 29 12 02:06 pm Link

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ontherocks

Posts: 23575

Salem, Oregon, US

the shots are beautiful and the concept of showing off the women's capabilities/interests more than their bodies sounds good (in a politically correct sort of way). but is it a pirelli calendar?

Nov 29 12 04:32 pm Link

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Managing Light

Posts: 2678

Salem, Virginia, US

twoharts wrote:
but is it a pirelli calendar?

We might find, down the road,  that a better question would have been "Is this Pirelli's new normal?"

Nov 29 12 06:41 pm Link

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Julian W I L D E

Posts: 1831

Portland, Oregon, US

"Re-inventing the wheel" isn't as easy as it sounds.  And it's not McFlurry's forte.  -JULIAN

Nov 29 12 07:06 pm Link

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MC Photo

Posts: 4144

New York, New York, US

MMDesign wrote:

Right, I assume that's why they hire different photographers, so they bring their own style to the shoots. That said, they had to know up front that he wasn't going to shoot naked women so you really can't blame him.

It's not. It's a marketing decision.

Dec 02 12 01:13 pm Link

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Zack Zoll

Posts: 6895

Glens Falls, New York, US

I guess it's all right, if you want to see the same stereotypical photographs of exotic South American women that everybody else takes.  Nat Geo was mentioned a few times, and it's a fitting comparison; not because of content, but because Nat Geo photographers create these stereotypes of certain people, and then everyone else (whether they work for Nat Geo or not) just plays to those same stereotypes over, and over, and over ...

.... and over ....

Ronald Nyein Zaw Tan wrote:
I just had a mental picture of how Mr. Richardson's interpretation will be visualized.

He's going to shoot it full-nude, and then use a black magic marker to cover up all the naughty bits.

Dec 02 12 01:27 pm Link

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Laubenheimer

Posts: 9317

New York, New York, US

Zack Zoll wrote:
I guess it's all right, if you want to see the same stereotypical photographs of exotic South American women that everybody else takes.  Nat Geo was mentioned a few times, and it's a fitting comparison; not because of content, but because Nat Geo photographers create these stereotypes of certain people, and then everyone else (whether they work for Nat Geo or not) just plays to those same stereotypes over, and over, and over ...

.... and over ....


He's going to shoot it full-nude, and then use a black magic marker to cover up all the naughty bits.

terry already shot his version of the calendar hmm

Dec 02 12 01:32 pm Link

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Mark Harris Photography

Posts: 526

Metuchen, New Jersey, US

Bryan Benoit wrote:
Love the images

I have to agree, the images are beautiful. I have thought for a while that the Calendar should feature top MM models and photographers.

Dec 02 12 05:56 pm Link

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AVD AlphaDuctions

Posts: 10747

Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Mark Laubenheimer wrote:

terry already shot his version of the calendar hmm

and it was fkn awesome!  shut a lot of people up real quick.

Dec 02 12 06:00 pm Link

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Dan OMell

Posts: 1415

Charlotte, North Carolina, US

> Pirelli Calendar 2013 - Steve McCurry

more affordable, at least, for sure! smile
their investors could be not overly happy spending too much millions for some acquisitions, not to mention on very optional elite llamas and calendars, but dropping the calendar tradition abruptly wasn't the option either.

IMHO, racing car ads are probably more to the point (their company image could not fully compete with Victoria Secret's approach, obviously - tires are not bras, after all! smile), plus competitors do it.

I would check their cash flow and other stuff for 2013
http://www.pirelli.com/corporate/en/inv … fault.html


of course, I love the calendars, and I'm not an investor smile

Dec 02 12 06:37 pm Link

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Kelvin Hammond

Posts: 17397

Billings, Montana, US

"WASN’T IT STRANGE FOR YOU, WORKING WITH MODELS?

SM: Some of the women were models, but this is about their charities, and so I wasn’t photographing them naked. It’s not about their bodies. Or their sexuality. You can do sexy shots anywhere, including the lobby of a hotel. For what I was trying to do I needed setting, background, a sense of atmosphere. I was creating a scene – a foreground, a background, a sense of place.

What is it about Rio that makes it Rio? The graffiti, the bars, the bodegas, the incredible light, the shape of the aqueduct, the neighborhood, the shadowy sexy girl walking up the aqueduct. There’s a lot of street life, bars spill into the street. I liked that."


http://3d-car-shows.com/2012/pirelli-2013-calendar/

Dec 03 12 09:10 am Link

Model

ErinMIS

Posts: 2

New York, New York, US

amazing!!! such a beautiful women... i love Brasil!!

Dec 03 12 10:07 am Link

Model

ErinMIS

Posts: 2

New York, New York, US

amazing!!! such a beautiful women... i love Brasil!!

Dec 03 12 10:07 am Link