Yes--if the universe is infinite you ARE the center of the universe--as am I and as is every person on the planet and is every being (and non being) in the universe.
Unless some beings are closer to the edge of infinity.
Gianantonio wrote: Yes--if the universe is infinite you ARE the center of the universe--as am I and as is every person on the planet and is every being (and non being) in the universe.
How dare you suggest that we both can be the center. pffft!!
Lot of moot points made in SB along similar lines recently ("if we didn't have our 5 senses, how could we obtain data about reality", etc)...
Coincidence? OR SYMPTOM????
From the Matrix:
What is real? How do you define real? If you're talking about what you can feel, what you can smell, what you can taste and see, then real is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain.
Whether there is life to perceive it, does not change that fact.
You would just argue with anything I say, or cite.
The fact that light is now reaching the earth, that started its journey before there was any life on earth, is, for me, compelling proof.
It's called a debate. The point is neither you nor I could prove each others positions....because we are lacking vital information on the subject that humanity has not yet discovered.
But to your last sentence, while there was no intelligent life on Earth, you do not know if intelligent life existed elsewhere in the Universe at that moment in time.
sublime LightWorks wrote: It's called a debate. The point is neither you nor I could prove each others positions....because we are lacking vital information on the subject that humanity has not yet discovered.
But to your last sentence, while there was no intelligent life on Earth, you do not know if intelligent life existed elsewhere in the Universe at that moment in time.
Well a debating point then ......
How useful an idea is it to believe that the existence of the universe depends on some intelligent life perceiving it?
Is it not somewhat more useful to believe that the universe exists on its own, without the need for any life to take notice of it?
Micyl Sweeney wrote: If the universe holds a purpose than it has to be a created thing or it has to be the creator itself.
If the universe was not created or is not the creator itself than it holds no purpose, it simply exist and evolves.
So it all depends on ones perception (created or not) of the universe.
If the universe held a purpose that purpose would be well beyond human understanding and beyond any scientific understanding therefore we would not know that purpose anyway.
Therefore the question is irrelevant because it cannot be answered using human understanding.
Digital Photo PLUS wrote: What if, like someone mentioned, purpose is a human concept? Purpose means intended outcome but it's obvious that the Universe is falling apart. Heading towards nothingness as it expands. Is that purpose?
Purpose depends on ones own perception therefore yes it is a human concept.....
However it begs to ask, where to human concepts such as purpose arrive from?
If they arrive from a creator than purpose would not only be a human concept it would also be a universal concept. Therefore the universe if it was a created thing could hold a purpose.
Due to our limited scientific abilities and our limited human concepts (perceptions) it is doubtful any human would be able to absolutely know the purpose of the uninverse.
We could assign it a purpose regarding our own concepts however how could we absolutely know if that assigned purpose is the actual purpose of the universe?
On the other hand if the universe is not a created thing than it would hold no purpose. It simply exist and evolves.
So if the universe is falling apart or whatever there could be a purpose to what it does or there could not be a purpose.
It all depends on if it was a created thing or not.
IMHO the universe exist therefore it is. No purpose needed, only understanding.
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