Art of CIP
Posts: 21,234
Long Beach, California, US
If I had a child that said they wanted to be a pornstar when they grew up, first I would take a good long look at myself as a parent and determine if the reason my child wants to become a pornstar is because of me and the environment I have raised my child in. Then I would take it upon myself as their parent to inform them about the dangers of being a sex worker and offer parental guidance along the way. Ultimately when a child is grown and enters the world, their choices are theirs - but a parent has a moral obligation to provide their child with the best possible tools for decison making.
But I am just speaking for myself here...
Having said that...
Would you want your significant others, daughters, sons, friends, and family to embark in a career of selling sex for money as a sex worker in the porn industry?
If your answer is no, please elaboratewhy...
If your answeris yes, please elaborate why...
Now keep in mind that you do not have to answer this question either way of you are not comfortable with the nature of it - a non answer will more than suffice...
So your opinion is that you would try to talk your friends and family into not joining the adult industry and that if they are already in they should get out?
I'll just quote the post I made in the thread youhad about this that was locked...
JessieLeigh wrote: I actually have family (well, inlaws) that run a fairly specific fetish clip porn site. My husband's cousin films, his mother (husband's aunt) handles much of the bookkeeping and his fiancee stars in many clips..
It can make for some interesting conversations during holidays, other then that, I don't really see it as my business. They aren't breaking any laws, they are earning money and they are happy.
I would not be ok with my husband doing porn, we vowed to be faithful to one another when we were married and I don't see money as a valid reason to break that vow.
I don't have kids, nor do I have plans to have them anytime soon, so no need for me to post about how I'd feel if my daughter wanted to get into porn.
Art of CIP wrote: If I had a child that said they wanted to be a pornstar when they grew up, first I would take a good long look at myself as a parent and determine if the reason my child wants to become a pornstar is because of me and the environment I have raised my child in. Then I would take it upon myself as their parent to inform them about the dangers of being a sex worker and offer parental guidance along the way. Ultimately when a child is grown and enters the world, their choices are theirs - but a parent has a moral obligation to provide their child with the best possible tools for decison making.
But I am just speaking for myself here...
Having said that...
Would you want your significant others, daughters, sons, friends, and family to embark in a career of selling sex for money as a sex worker in the porn industry?
If your answer is no, please elaboratewhy...
If your answeris yes, please elaborate why...
Now keep in mind that you do not have to answer this question either way of you are not comfortable with the nature of it - a non answer will more than suffice...
But you would be ok with them being sexually active with many partners?
Art of CIP
Posts: 21,234
Long Beach, California, US
Andialu wrote: So your opinion is that you would try to talk your friends and family into not joining the adult industry and that if they are already in they should get out?
Gianantonio
Posts: 7,634
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US
Art of CIP wrote: If I had a child that said they wanted to be a pornstar when they grew up, first I would take a good long look at myself as a parent and determine if the reason my child wants to become a pornstar is because of me and the environment I have raised my child in. Then I would take it upon myself as their parent to inform them about the dangers of being a sex worker and offer parental guidance along the way. Ultimately when a child is grown and enters the world, their choices are theirs - but a parent has a moral obligation to provide their child with the best possible tools for decison making.
But I am just speaking for myself here...
Having said that...
Would you want your significant others, daughters, sons, friends, and family to embark in a career of selling sex for money as a sex worker in the porn industry?
If your answer is no, please elaboratewhy...
If your answeris yes, please elaborate why...
Now keep in mind that you do not have to answer this question either way of you are not comfortable with the nature of it - a non answer will more than suffice...
You are asking this as a yes/no question when there are other response options. Maybe you just don't want to hear those...
But, for example, the only want I have for the work members of my family/friends do is that they enjoy it. I don't have wants (or don't wants) with respect to the industry they work (or don't work) in, as long as it's legal.
Hopefully, my response has served to widen your perspective on this topic.
Art of CIP
Posts: 21,234
Long Beach, California, US
Wysiwyg Photography wrote: Since having sex without protection is not advised... it only takes one..
That being said... I would say 3 to 5 different people a week is 'many'.
Knowing what I know about the dangers and risks of unprotected sex and promiscuity, if I had a child, I would definitely advise them against it and also provide information and guidance to them about those risks and dangers so they can be better equipped with knowledge.
I'm just gonna fly in my reply from the last couple of desperate, hilarious and yet quite revealing threads, with some additions...
kickfight wrote: If I had a daughter who really seriously wanted to do porn, I'd set her up with her own webcam/streaming or pay-per-download operation, and even help recruit talent for her site(s). She'd be the star *and* the boss. I'd be all like "dude, your old man is an online fetish pioneer. Do your thing with my blessing and let me know if I can help in any way..."
I mean, because if I approached it as someone with a narrow-minded, misinformed, and fundamentalist attitude about porn, that's a warning flag that there are probably a lot of other inadequacies and weaknesses which enabled such an attitude to corrupt one's ability to comprehend, and that attitude could seriously compromise bringing up healthy, intelligent children. Such shortcomings might lead to becoming one of those people who is ridiculed in public all the time for expressing such shallow, sheltered and ultimately self-marginalizing worldviews. Fundamentalists are a self-revealing bunch, rarely able to keep their deeply damaged selves to themselves.
After all, the idea of people having to go "join the porn industry" in order to produce and market porn is so very 20th century.
Anna Adrielle
Posts: 17,039
Antwerp, Antwerp, Belgium
Would you want your significant others, daughters, sons, friends, and family to embark in a career of selling sex for money as a sex worker in the porn industry?
no.
not for my significant other, because I find monogamy important in a relationship, and I couldn't be with someone who was in porn.
not for my son or daughter, because it wouldn't be in line with the values I had been trying to raise them in (just as I would prefer it if they didn't sleep around or had multiple partners or something like that)
family would depend on how close. If it was my mom, I'd mostly find it a bit embarassing (and quite frankly it would make me worried, because why would she all of a sudden be interested in being in porn after all those years?). people that I'm not close with (even if it is family), I really don't care.
friends or close relatives (like a brother or sister), I guess it would depend. I wouldn't be cheering them on, but if that's what they want to do it's their business. I have a friend who is an escort.
But back to my kids: I would prefer it if they didn't. I would be disappointed and worried and sad if they did. But they'd still be my kids, I'd try and understand why they want to do it so badly, and I certainly wouldn't love them any less. In the end, I'd just want them to be happy, even if it's in a way I don't agree with.
Since having sex without protection is not advised... it only takes one..
That being said... I would say 3 to 5 different people a week is 'many'.
A week!?!?! Lmao
I think 3-5 people a decade is many. <<raises hand, Montana**
Porn is a different standard though. It requires "many". It takes a village to fuck a... oh wait, that saying doesn't work in this instance.
Suppose we reverse the question: Suppose YOU are the person in the family who wants to be a porn star, and you've dreamt of it your whole life? Is there anything your parent could say that would dissuade you?
I've met some guys who enlisted to go to Iraq, and no amount of talking dissuaded them from going - not death, not heat and sand, not seeing bodies burnt worse then toast, not losing limbs, nothing...
You are asking this as a yes/no question when there are other response options. Maybe you just don't want to hear those...
But, for example, the only want I have for the work members of my family/friends do is that they enjoy it. I don't have wants (or don't wants) with respect to the industry they work (or don't work) in, as long as it's legal.
Hopefully, my response has served to widen your perspective on this topic.
This pretty much sums it up. People become drug addicts, alcoholics, and suffer from mental breakdowns in a wide variety of professions. I'm with him, as long as they are doing something that genuinely makes them happy, that's all I care about.
Knowing what I know about the dangers and risks of unprotected sex and promiscuity, if I had a child, I would definitely advise them against it and also provide information and guidance to them about those risks and dangers so they can be better equipped with knowledge.
Wouldnt you agree?
You are seeing my point then.
I would definitly agree.
But quite honestly if my kid is an ADULT... it isn't any of my business what they choose to do with their life.
My job as a parent is to lethem know of the dangers in ANY profession they wish to engage in.. be it football... boxing... military infantry.. yet most parents would rather see their kid get their face bashed in in a prize fight than get an orgasm on film.
The fact that money is involved seems to make a difference to some people for some reason.
It's like asking if anyone would want their minor child to come up to them and ask if they would want them to have sex at all. No parent wants to imagine their kid having sex. But sex isn't necessarily a bad thing. Irresponsible sex is a bad thing.
Regardless of if the child said "I want to be in porn responsibly." Or "I want to have sex responsibly.", no parent really wants to hear that because no parent wants to think about their kid having sex.
The questions and answers in this thread pertain more toward the relationship a parent has to a child than it does toward the porn industry. It's really skewed in that way.
Parents also don't like to think about their child in danger. So if you were to ask the question "Would you want your kid to tell you they want to work in an explosives factory.", the parent would most likely think "No, no I would rather you didn't." It doesn't mean the parent is against explosives being used in demolitions, or responsibly.
Loaded, loaded, loaded. I'm sorry, these threads are all around fail.
It's like asking if anyone would want their minor child to come up to them and ask if they would want them to have sex at all. No parent wants to imagine their kid having sex. But sex isn't necessarily a bad thing. Irresponsible sex is a bad thing.
Regardless of if the child said "I want to be in porn responsibly." Or "I want to have sex responsibly.", no parent really wants to hear that because no parent wants to think about their kid having sex.
The questions and answers in this thread pertain more toward the relationship a parent has to a child than it does toward the porn industry. It's really skewed in that way.
Parents also don't like to think about their child in danger. So if you were to ask the question "Would you want your kid to tell you they want to work in an explosives factory.", the parent would most likely think "No, no I would rather you didn't." It doesn't mean the parent is against explosives being used in demolitions, or responsibly.
Loaded, loaded, loaded. I'm sorry, these threads are all around fail.
+1. The OP makes it unambiguous that "the porn industry" is a tainted proposition from the get-go. It's the equivalent of asking "would you want your son to join a crime gang?" or "would you want your daughter to become a heroin addict?". The question is not about porn itself at all... it's actually about a sub-optimal approach to life which could involve drug abuse, physical abuse, illegal activity, sexual exploitation... and *could* also involve porn.
Nobody wants their child to end up an exploited burn-out. DUH. But invoking porn as being synonymous with your child inevitably ending up as some exploited burn-out is simply a false dichotomy, based on a narrow-minded fundamentalist mindset that cannot fully discern the world due to acquired myopia and intellectual laziness.
And that's why the OP continues to fail spectacularly over the course of three separate threads now (one that was locked most likely as an outright act of charity towards the OP).
ASYLUM - Photo
Posts: 37,818
Washington, District of Columbia, US
Art of CIP from the other thread wrote: Quite correct... Knowing what you know, Would you want your significant others, daughters, sons, friends, and family to embark in a career of selling sex for money as a sex worker in the porn industry?
If your answeris no, please elaboratewhy...
If your answeris yes, please elaborate why...
Now keep in mind that you do not have to answer this question either way of you are not comfortable with the nature of it - a non answer will more than suffice.
I already answered the question quite clearly, imo. At first, I thought this was talking about adult children, because it sounded like they were already working. Then it seems like it got rephrased to mean what would you want for your young children.
To me this isn't a yes or no, black and white question. If a child asked me about it, it'd depend on how old they were, and the society we lived in, and the condition of the industry locally. If they were a full grown adult, then I'd support their decisions and only want for them to be healthy and happy above all else.
I'm not sure how that's not clear, or an acceptable answer to you.
ASYLUM - Photo wrote: I already answered the question quite clearly, imo. At first, I thought this was talking about adult children, because it sounded like they were already working. Then it seems like it got rephrased to mean what would you want for your young children.
To me this isn't a yes or no, black and white question. If a child asked me about it, it'd depend on how old they were, and the society we lived in, and the condition of the industry locally. If they were a full grown adult, then I'd support their decisions and only want for them to be healthy and happy above all else.
I'm not sure how that's not clear, or an acceptable answer to you.
To put it in baseball parlance, CIP creates threads with parameters specifically hoping for people to put one right over the heart of the plate so he can knock em out of the park. Any curve balls or off speed pitches that mess with his swing mechanics and he cries foul.
Art of CIP
Posts: 21,234
Long Beach, California, US
Anna Adrielle wrote: Would you want your significant others, daughters, sons, friends, and family to embark in a career of selling sex for money as a sex worker in the porn industry?
no.
not for my significant other, because I find monogamy important in a relationship, and I couldn't be with someone who was in porn.
not for my son or daughter, because it wouldn't be in line with the values I had been trying to raise them in (just as I would prefer it if they didn't sleep around or had multiple partners or something like that)
family would depend on how close. If it was my mom, I'd mostly find it a bit embarassing (and quite frankly it would make me worried, because why would she all of a sudden be interested in being in porn after all those years?). people that I'm not close with (even if it is family), I really don't care.
friends or close relatives (like a brother or sister), I guess it would depend. I wouldn't be cheering them on, but if that's what they want to do it's their business. I have a friend who is an escort.
But back to my kids: I would prefer it if they didn't. I would be disappointed and worried and sad if they did. But they'd still be my kids, I'd try and understand why they want to do it so badly, and I certainly wouldn't love them any less. In the end, I'd just want them to be happy, even if it's in a way I don't agree with.
This is a very candid and honest response. You have obviously presented your position from a perspective of love and selflessness.
SensualThemes
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Swoyersville, Pennsylvania, US
When we found out she was carrying a girl, my semi supportive of my modeling photos wife said my opinions on this would change. They haven't
After the careful examination and conversation you suggested, i would not only allow and support her, but i would offer to be her consultant/manager, and would virtually require that i be involved in the beginning to make sure she is doing her chosen business right, safely, and smart.
Yes, even if that business was stripping, escorting or porn.
Pinups4 wrote: When we found out she was carrying a girl, my semi supportive of my llamaing photos wife said my opinions on this would change. They haven't
After the careful examination and conversation you suggested, i would not only allow and support her, but i would offer to be her consultant/manager, and would virtually require that i be involved in the beginning to make sure she is doing her chosen business right, safely, and smart.
Yes, even if that business was stripping, escorting or porn.
Anna Adrielle
Posts: 17,039
Antwerp, Antwerp, Belgium
BorderlineBunny wrote: ...this is bizarre.
It's like asking if anyone would want their minor child to come up to them and ask if they would want them to have sex at all. No parent wants to imagine their kid having sex. But sex isn't necessarily a bad thing. Irresponsible sex is a bad thing.
Regardless of if the child said "I want to be in porn responsibly." Or "I want to have sex responsibly.", no parent really wants to hear that because no parent wants to think about their kid having sex.
hm, don't know. Not a parent at this point, don't know if that affects my answer at this point... I think I'd certainly wouldn't want to imagine my kid having sex as in seeing them do it in my head. But I doubt any parent wished for their kid to never have sex, never have that experience, with anyone, ever. If I had a daughter, i'd certainly want her to have a happy healthy sexlife at some point in her life.
(you know, after she gets married, and when she's well in her thirties, certainly not ever before that :p)
but despite me wishing she would at some point have a healthy sexlife, I would still not wish for her to have a career in porn... those are 2 different things alltogether.
Art of CIP
Posts: 21,234
Long Beach, California, US
BorderlineBunny wrote: ...this is bizarre.
It's like asking if anyone would want their minor child to come up to them and ask if they would want them to have sex at all. No parent wants to imagine their kid having sex. But sex isn't necessarily a bad thing. Irresponsible sex is a bad thing.
Regardless of if the child said "I want to be in porn responsibly." Or "I want to have sex responsibly.", no parent really wants to hear that because no parent wants to think about their kid having sex.
The questions and answers in this thread pertain more toward the relationship a parent has to a child than it does toward the porn industry. It's really skewed in that way.
Parents also don't like to think about their child in danger. So if you were to ask the question "Would you want your kid to tell you they want to work in an explosives factory.", the parent would most likely think "No, no I would rather you didn't." It doesn't mean the parent is against explosives being used in demolitions, or responsibly.
Loaded, loaded, loaded. I'm sorry, these threads are all around fail.
You have made the assumption that everyone has the same morality and beliefs as you. 2 people have already stated that they want their families working as sex workers and have even provided avenues of entry into the business. To.some people, it's simply business and they prefer taking a hands on approach in guiding careers.
Art of CIP wrote: 2 people have already stated that they want their families working as sex workers and have even provided avenues of entry into the business.
I don't see where anyone said they WANT their child/family members to go into porn, but rather that if it made them happy, and if it's what their family member wanted, they would be supportive of their choice.
Supporting what your family chooses to do isn't the same as wanting them to do it.
Laura UnBound
Posts: 24,710
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Art of CIP wrote:
You have made the assumption that everyone has the same morality and beliefs as you. 2 people have already stated that they want their families working as sex workers and have even provided avenues of entry into the business. To.some people, it's simply business and they prefer taking a hands on approach in guiding careers.
I don't recall reading anywhere that someone WANTS their loved ones to pursue sex work, who said that?
All I've read is "no" and "I don't care either way"
I'm not sure if the OP questions really work. Let me give you an example.
I wouldn't want my son to become a butcher. Nothing wrong with the profession, it's not immoral. But it's tough if you have to kill animals routinely and even with skill, there is danger if you have to work around sharp knives routinely. I wouldn't want my son to be a photojournalist--it's difficult to make a career out of it and I did it and suffer from PTSD. But the world needs photojournalists and I respect and honor those who do that profession.
No, I wouldn't want my son to be a pornstar. But if he did, I'd still love him, wouldn't consider him to be immoral or doomed. Bottom line is that doing porn as a profession is a tough job. And it creates issues for you with big chunks of society (much like if you're a former felon, or someone with tattoos on their face, or someone who has a mohawk...all of these are legitimate life baggage that will make some people react to you not as who you are but by their perceptions of a part of what you do or have or manifest).
Ultimately I'm with Laura Unbound on this. I have lots of hopes and desires for my son. But basically it's his life and I want him to be happy, healthy, and well-adjusted.
hm, don't know. Not a parent at this point, don't know if that affects my answer at this point... I think I'd certainly wouldn't want to imagine my kid having sex as in seeing them do it in my head. But I doubt any parent wished for their kid to never have sex, never have that experience, with anyone, ever. If I had a daughter, i'd certainly want her to have a happy healthy sexlife at some point in her life.
(you know, after she gets married, and when she's well in her thirties, certainly not ever before that :p)
but despite me wishing she would at some point have a healthy sexlife, I would still not wish for her to have a career in porn... those are 2 different things alltogether.
Well, that was my point. They don't want them to NOT have sex. A lot of people WANT grandchildren some day. But they just don't want to think about it on a personal level. And they wouldn't want to accidentally view the act online at some point.
There are people who look down on people who work in the porn industry and they, I'm certain, would hate the idea of their kid getting into it. But for me, I don't make judgements on that. I don't want to think about my kid ever having sex..ever. But I acknowledge it will happen and I want grandkids and I wouldn't hate the idea of him working in the porn industry. I just wouldn't want to see it or hear about stories on the set at Thanksgiving dinner.
Art of CIP
Posts: 21,234
Long Beach, California, US
afplcc wrote: I'm not sure if the OP questions really work. Let me give you an example.
I wouldn't want my son to become a butcher. Nothing wrong with the profession, it's not immoral. But it's tough if you have to kill animals routinely and even with skill, there is danger if you have to work around sharp knives routinely. I wouldn't want my son to be a photojournalist--it's difficult to make a career out of it and I did it and suffer from PTSD. But the world needs photojournalists and I respect and honor those who do that profession.
No, I wouldn't want my son to be a pornstar. But if he did, I'd still love him, wouldn't consider him to be immoral or doomed. Bottom line is that doing porn as a profession is a tough job. And it creates issues for you with big chunks of society (much like if you're a former felon, or someone with tattoos on their face, or someone who has a mohawk...all of these are legitimate life baggage that will make some people react to you not as who you are but by their perceptions of a part of what you do or have or manifest).
Ultimately I'm with Laura Unbound on this. I have lots of hopes and desires for my son. But basically it's his life and I want him to be happy, healthy, and well-adjusted.
Ed
However, the questions have been answered repeatedly with a miriad of responses...
You have made the assumption that everyone has the same morality and beliefs as you. 2 people have already stated that they want their families working as sex workers and have even provided avenues of entry into the business. To.some people, it's simply business and they prefer taking a hands on approach in guiding careers.
Fair enough. But I think it's safe to say that the majority of people are uncomfortable with the thought of their children having sex. Not opposed to it, but definitely not "all ears" on bedroom shenanigans.
With the possible exception of mother-daughter and father-son. Some relationships are different. I can talk openly about sexuality with my mother because she's more of a friend. But there's still that awkwardness for her, I'm sure. She birthed me and all. Changed my diapers. I'm positive she doesn't get thrilled to hear about me being penetrated with a penis.
Here's a handy variation on the intent of the OP's inane self-ridiculing failure of a premise.
Question: would you WANT your significant others, daughters, sons, friends, and family to stab themselves repeatedly in the face with an old rusty knife?
Answers: "No, I would not WANT that for them."
Desired conclusion: stabbing oneself repeatedly in the face with an old rusty knife is hereby regarded by consensus as a bad/harmful/contraindicated activity.
Art of CIP
Posts: 21,234
Long Beach, California, US
BorderlineBunny wrote:
Fair enough. But I think it's safe to say that the majority of people are uncomfortable with the thought of their children having sex. Not opposed to it, but definitely not "all ears" on bedroom shenanigans.
With the possible exception of mother-daughter and father-son. Some relationships are different. I can talk openly about sexuality with my mother because she's more of a friend. But there's still that awkwardness for her, I'm sure. She birthed me and all. Changed my diapers. I'm positive she doesn't get thrilled to hear about me being penetrated with a penis.
Generally, people associate and form bonds with people of similar morality and beliefs. Some people not only want their children, friends, and family to become sex workers, they introduce them to that world. Obviously from your very strong reaction you disagree - but here in soapbox their are people that are fine with these things.
Generally, people associate and form bonds with people of similar morality and beliefs. Some people not only want their children, friends, and family to become sex workers, they introduce them to that world. Obviously from your very strong reaction you disagree - but here in soapbox their are people that are fine with these things.
If one of my friends wanted me to help him / her break into the porn industry, I'd help in any way I can. And hope they they are successful. Hell, I'd show up on set every now and then and check things out.
Family, though? I'd prefer to imagine them as asexual beings.