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j3_photo
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Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Boom!  She nails the thief big_smile and live-tweets about it all
http://shine.yahoo.com/work-money/san-f … 00837.html
Nov 30 12 06:55 pm  Link  Quote 
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Paolo Diavolo
Posts: 8,266
Pleasant Hill, California, US


stupid.
i hope she gets busted for assault.
Nov 30 12 07:09 pm  Link  Quote 
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Ronin_LLC
Posts: 2,012
Louisville, Kentucky, US


Paolo Diavolo wrote:
stupid.
i hope she gets busted for assault.

Probably not, since she apparently did this on her property and the guy had a long criminal record.

The best they could do is a charge vigilantism since she pretty much ran a sting herself and not being a Law Enforcement officer.

Nov 30 12 07:18 pm  Link  Quote 
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rp_photo
Posts: 42,490
Houston, Texas, US


Paolo Diavolo wrote:
stupid.
i hope she gets busted for assault.

Coddle criminals much?

Nov 30 12 07:51 pm  Link  Quote 
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Bella la Bell
Posts: 4,451
Kansas City, Missouri, US


Paolo Diavolo wrote:
stupid.
i hope she gets busted for assault.

Sure. And the next time you choose to defend your self or property you will rethink this...

Nov 30 12 08:11 pm  Link  Quote 
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Michael Bots
Posts: 5,595
Kingston, Ontario, Canada


California --

City Attorney Tells San Bernardino Residents To ‘Lock Their Doors,’ ‘Load Their Guns’ Because Of Police Downsizing
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/11/ … ownsizing/

"The official explained that because the city is bankrupt and slashing public safety budgets people will need to start protecting themselves."
Dec 01 12 01:18 pm  Link  Quote 
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udor
Posts: 21,966
New York, New York, US


j3_photo wrote:
Boom!  She nails the thief big_smile and live-tweets about it all
http://shine.yahoo.com/work-money/san-f … 00837.html

Awesome story! big_smile

Dec 01 12 01:22 pm  Link  Quote 
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surinity
Posts: 1,481
Pattaya, Central, Thailand


bear spray and bokeh, oh well
Dec 01 12 01:35 pm  Link  Quote 
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Paul AI
Posts: 1,046
Shawnee, Oklahoma, US


Paolo Diavolo wrote:
stupid.
i hope she gets busted for assault.

What is the world coming to?  How dare an innocent citizen defend their property against a criminal.

Dec 01 12 01:41 pm  Link  Quote 
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Top Level Studio
Posts: 3,232
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada


I always wondered why delivery companies leave valuables on doorsteps for any passerby to steal.  I don't think they do that very often here.

As for her actions, spraying a thief with coloured bear spray to enable the police to easily identify him seems justifiable. 

She could have done much worse.  Many people would have.
Dec 01 12 01:47 pm  Link  Quote 
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Paul AI
Posts: 1,046
Shawnee, Oklahoma, US


Top Level Studio wrote:
I always wondered why delivery companies leave valuables on doorsteps for any passerby to steal.

UPS and FedEx both do that here.  It drives me crazy.

Dec 01 12 02:40 pm  Link  Quote 
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j3_photo
Posts: 19,851
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


surinity wrote:
bear spray and bokeh, oh well

I bet you're not joking either

Dec 02 12 06:47 am  Link  Quote 
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j3_photo
Posts: 19,851
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


udor wrote:

Awesome story! big_smile

borat

Dec 02 12 06:47 am  Link  Quote 
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j3_photo
Posts: 19,851
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Paul AI wrote:

What is the world coming to?  How dare an innocent citizen defend their property against a criminal.

Amazing isn't it that someone would call her out for it being wrong?! 

Good on her!  But there will always be those people....

Dec 02 12 06:48 am  Link  Quote 
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Evan Hiltunen
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Minneapolis, Minnesota, US


While I personally believe she was "in the right", and I applaud her for solving a problem plaguing her and her neighbors, you just know she is ripe for a law suit from the perp.

People will argue that, no matter what he did, she did not "have the right" to assault him with bear spray. They will say she should have let the police handle it.

Those people are idiots.
Dec 02 12 08:05 am  Link  Quote 
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udor
Posts: 21,966
New York, New York, US


surinity wrote:
bear spray and bokeh, oh well
j3_photo wrote:
I bet you're not joking either

Being hit with a very shallow depth of field may hurt more than being hit with a wodden samurai practice sword... wink

Miyamoto Musashi killed a lot of adversaries with his bokken, btw... smile

Dec 02 12 08:10 am  Link  Quote 
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Managing Light
Posts: 1,838
Salem, Virginia, US


Paolo Diavolo wrote:
stupid.
i hope she gets busted for assault.

Yeah!  The poor guy has to have a living, doesn't he?

Dec 02 12 08:59 am  Link  Quote 
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MF productions
Posts: 2,017
San Jose, California, US


Using bear spray on a person isn't a good idea . The stuff wasn't intended for human use and could make the person go blind. Think about the law suits by scummy attorneys who protect these assholes before you pull off something like this.
Dec 02 12 05:58 pm  Link  Quote 
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j3_photo
Posts: 19,851
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Evan Hiltunen wrote:
While I personally believe she was "in the right", and I applaud her for solving a problem plaguing her and her neighbors, you just know she is ripe for a law suit from the perp.

People will argue that, no matter what he did, she did not "have the right" to assault him with bear spray. They will say she should have let the police handle it.

Those people are idiots.

lol

udor wrote:
Being hit with a very shallow depth of field may hurt more than being hit with a wodden samurai practice sword... wink

Miyamoto Musashi killed a lot of adversaries with his bokken, btw... smile

wink  love it

Dec 02 12 07:27 pm  Link  Quote 
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Tropic Light
Posts: 7,228
Kailua, Hawaii, US


MF productions wrote:
Using bear spray on a person isn't a good idea . The stuff wasn't intended for human use and could make the person go blind. Think about the law suits by scummy attorneys who protect these assholes before you pull off something like this.

Other people would have put a 9mm slug in the guys brain, so the bear spray is pretty mild in comparison.

Dec 02 12 11:27 pm  Link  Quote 
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Paolo Diavolo
Posts: 8,266
Pleasant Hill, California, US


Evan Hiltunen wrote:
While I personally believe she was "in the right", and I applaud her for solving a problem plaguing her and her neighbors, you just know she is ripe for a law suit from the perp.

this!

the only reason i feel she is asking for it is because she set him up.
she planned out to attack him the way she did, after attracting him with a fake package.

i hate theives too, but this was a dumb attempt at solving the problem.

Dec 02 12 11:40 pm  Link  Quote 
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Paolo Diavolo
Posts: 8,266
Pleasant Hill, California, US


Bella la Bell wrote:

Sure. And the next time you choose to defend your self or property you will rethink this...

in that instance she was not defending her property.
one may argue that she was fulfilling a premeditated attack and claiming vigilante justice was the best and only solution to the problem.

theres other ways she could have solved the problem of her packages being stolen without risking having herself sued.

Dec 02 12 11:49 pm  Link  Quote 
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Top Level Studio
Posts: 3,232
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada


Paolo Diavolo wrote:
this!

the only reason i feel she is asking for it is because she set him up.
she planned out to attack him the way she did, after attracting him with a fake package.

i hate theives too, but this was a dumb attempt at solving the problem.

Are you calling that entrapment, like some people on here complained about bait cars being used to catch car thieves?  She had already been robbed, and so had other residents of the neighbourhood.

One could say that the delivery companies are contributing to crime by placing all those tempting items on doorsteps.  They're not.  They may be careless, but most non-criminals will walk right past.  They won't go into a neighbourhood to see what they can steal.

The odds of the police catching the thief without assistance from the citizens was quite slim.  Now they have him, and nobody was injured.

Dec 02 12 11:54 pm  Link  Quote 
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Paolo Diavolo
Posts: 8,266
Pleasant Hill, California, US


Top Level Studio wrote:
Are you calling that entrapment, like some people on here complained about bait cars being used to catch car thieves?  She had already been robbed, and so had other residents of the neighbourhood.

One could say that the delivery companies are contributing to crime by placing all those tempting items on doorsteps.  They're not.  They may be careless, but most non-criminals will walk right past.  They won't go into a neighbourhood to see what they can steal.

The odds of the police catching the thief without assistance from the citizens was quite slim.  Now they have him, and nobody was injured.

All i'm saying is that was a dumb move on her half.
she opened herself up for criminal charges and a lawsuit.
especially with all the malicious sounding twitter comments she made.

Dec 03 12 01:08 am  Link  Quote 
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Solas
Posts: 9,486
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


I'm with Paolo, I think that's really stupid of her to lure and deliberately plan out a pre-determined plan to vigilante justice. What happens now if the burglar, or someone that knows him takes justice into their own hands because of it? The lawsuits are also a concern
Dec 03 12 01:21 am  Link  Quote 
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Paolo Diavolo
Posts: 8,266
Pleasant Hill, California, US


criminal or not imagine what would happen if Police used bear spray on a human, instead of pepper spray and then boasted about it online, something to the affect of:

i was out of harms way on the balcony above.
he didnt try to attack me.
i doused him with bear spray.
it feels so good to know he is in the ambulance suffering.


thats basically what her twitter said.
then she bragged about what she was making for dinner and said:
all in a days work
Dec 03 12 01:36 am  Link  Quote 
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j3_photo
Posts: 19,851
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Paolo Diavolo wrote:
criminal or not imagine what would happen if Police used bear spray on a human, instead of pepper spray and then boasted about it online, something to the affect of:

i was out of harms way on the balcony above.
he didnt try to attack me.
i doused him with bear spray.
it feels so good to know he is in the ambulance suffering.


thats basically what her twitter said.
then she bragged about what she was making for dinner and said:
all in a days work

Good!  I wonder what you'd do if that nice camera you bought was stolen from this prick...  that 2k plus camera- GONE.  Then the next package you ordered- GONE.  Then your neighbors package- GONE.  Then what if he got brave and decided to go into your home?   Then what? 

Some people I swear.

Just hearing the BS wording of 'lawsuits' is what has this country going backwards.

Dec 03 12 03:37 am  Link  Quote 
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Paolo Diavolo
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Pleasant Hill, California, US


Don't get me wrong I'm not defending the thief.
I just don't think her actions were sensible.
Yes he is going to sue her and will probably win because she went about it stupidly.

Personally, I would get a PO box if I had precious items shipped.

And if I was going to set him up and leave a dummy package, there's plenty of other things I would leave for him that he could take and open and get a nasty surprise.  that would probably stop him from wanting anything off my door step in the future.

Maybe she shouldve tried a dye package first instead of assault, but we'll see how it unfolds.

He has a dec 12th court date.
Dec 03 12 11:00 am  Link  Quote 
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Top Level Studio
Posts: 3,232
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada


Paolo Diavolo wrote:
Don't get me wrong I'm not defending the thief.
And if I was going to set him up and leave a dummy package, there's plenty of other things I would leave for him that he could take and open and get a nasty surprise.  that would probably stop him from wanting anything off my door step in the future.

As far as I know, mantraps are illegal, so setting out a booby-trapped parcel would result in criminal charges for the person doing it.

One example was the senior whose house was on a corner lot.  He got tired of teenagers cutting across his lawn and wearing a trail in the grass, so he got some thin boards, hammered nails through them, painted them green, and put them on the lawn.

When the teens stepped on the nails the next time they crossed his lawn, the homeowner was the one who got in trouble.

It was a long time ago, and I wasn't able to find it cited anywhere, but I do recall the case on the news.

Dec 03 12 12:50 pm  Link  Quote 
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Paolo Diavolo
Posts: 8,266
Pleasant Hill, California, US


I'm not saying I'd set a trap for him, like she did, or leave anything harlmful.
For instance the dye package I mentioned is highly unlikely to cause any injury

A few years back, a company I worked for was having packages stolen by the parcel service themselves. So we shipped a few dye packages between stores. Similar to what banks might give a robber to indentify them.
Dec 03 12 12:53 pm  Link  Quote 
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Top Level Studio
Posts: 3,232
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada


Paolo Diavolo wrote:
A few years back, a company I worked for was having packages stolen by the parcel sercive themselves. So we shipped a few dye packages between stores. Similar to what banks might give a robber to indentify them.

That actually sounds like fun.  It must have been hilarious to see the thieves show up at work the next day with coloured hands and faces, if they did have the nerve to come to work.

Dec 03 12 12:58 pm  Link  Quote 
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Paolo Diavolo
Posts: 8,266
Pleasant Hill, California, US


Top Level Studio wrote:
That actually sounds like fun.  It must have been hilarious to see the thieves show up at work the next day with coloured hands and faces, if they did have the nerve to come to work.

The company (very high end) I worked for shipped a lot of small expensive merchandise, and used a fake name on all packages. Except we used a private service for that merchandise. To avoid theft.

The stuff at the shipping hub that got stolen was parts for our coffee machine haha. So someone lost their job for coffee machine parts when they thought they were gonna score big. The only other stuff they might get would be paperwork, etc.

So once we missed a couple packages we shipped some dye boxes.
Imagine if you worked at a hub, and instead of loading a package on the truck for delivery you decided to break into it, and it exploded and started smoking and painted you bright orange. Kinda hard to play that one off to your boss. They obviously got busted and fired.

Dec 03 12 01:14 pm  Link  Quote 
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j3_photo
Posts: 19,851
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Paolo Diavolo wrote:
Don't get me wrong I'm not defending the thief.
I just don't think her actions were sensible.
Yes he is going to sue her and will probably win because she went about it stupidly.

Personally, I would get a PO box if I had precious items shipped.

And if I was going to set him up and leave a dummy package, there's plenty of other things I would leave for him that he could take and open and get a nasty surprise.  that would probably stop him from wanting anything off my door step in the future.

Maybe she shouldve tried a dye package first instead of assault, but we'll see how it unfolds.

He has a dec 12th court date.

Wow, so you're certain he's going to sue her now?  Amazing.  Well not everyone can get a PO Box- so think about what others can't do.

This is no different than having a dye package explode in someones face.  What if those thieves decided to sue because of damage to their face?  Hurting the eyes, etc?  Hmm?

Dec 03 12 01:20 pm  Link  Quote 
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Paolo Diavolo
Posts: 8,266
Pleasant Hill, California, US


j3_photo wrote:
Wow, so you're certain he's going to sue her now?  Amazing

Let me rephrase that, the article I read which stated he has a dec 12th court date also said he plead not guilty and provided that information.
Would you really expect him not to in this fucked up world?

I'd link ya to the article, but I'm replying from my phone right now. Its a pain to juggle browsers, I'll edit the link in later.

Also dye packages are a common and approved method to identify and prevent package thieves. Search for a video of one in action. They are not harmful.
Bear spray and a wood sword are usually used to stop bear attacks and practice being a samurai.

Dec 03 12 01:27 pm  Link  Quote 
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j3_photo
Posts: 19,851
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Paolo Diavolo wrote:

Let me rephrase that, the article I read which stated he has a dec 12th court date also said he plead not guilty and provided that information.
Would you really expect him not to in this fucked up world?

I'd link ya to the article, but I'm replying from my phone right now. Its a pain to juggle browsers, I'll edit the link in later.

Also dye packages are a common and approved method to identify and prevent package thieves. Search for a video of one in action. They are not harmful.
Bear spray and a wood sword are usually used to stop bear attacks and practice being a samurai.

Of course he's going to plead not guilty!  lol

Dec 03 12 01:48 pm  Link  Quote 
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DHayes Photography
Posts: 4,807
Richmond, Virginia, US


Top Level Studio wrote:

As far as I know, mantraps are illegal, so setting out a booby-trapped parcel would result in criminal charges for the person doing it.

One example was the senior whose house was on a corner lot.  He got tired of teenagers cutting across his lawn and wearing a trail in the grass, so he got some thin boards, hammered nails through them, painted them green, and put them on the lawn.

When the teens stepped on the nails the next time they crossed his lawn, the homeowner was the one who got in trouble.

It was a long time ago, and I wasn't able to find it cited anywhere, but I do recall the case on the news.

There was a famous case back in the 80's involving a store owner who rigged an electrical booby trap in his store after repeated break ins.  The trap killed a would be robber, but the manslaughter charges against the store owner were enventually dropped:

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1986 … orce-grate

Then there is the Katko v. Briney case from 1971 in which an Iowa farmer rigged a shotgun booby trap in a vacant house on his property.  The burglar (Katko) was injured by the blast when he attempted to enter the building in order to steal some antique bottles and jars stored there.  The Iowa Supreme Court ruled on behalf of the burglar, finding that: "...though a landowner has no duty to make his property safe for trespassers, he may not set deadly traps against them".   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katko_v._Briney

The burglar won $20,000 in actual damages and $10,000 in punitive damages.

Dec 03 12 03:09 pm  Link  Quote 
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MF productions
Posts: 2,017
San Jose, California, US


Tropic Light wrote:

Other people would have put a 9mm slug in the guys brain, so the bear spray is pretty mild in comparison.

Ya but  what if the guy doesn't die?

Dec 03 12 08:20 pm  Link  Quote 
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Roy Hubbard
Posts: 2,763
New York, New York, US


MF productions wrote:

Ya but  what if the guy doesn't die?

Two to the chest, one to the head.

Dec 04 12 06:49 am  Link  Quote 
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Caradoc
Posts: 19,564
Scottsdale, Arizona, US


Paolo Diavolo wrote:
Personally, I would get a PO box if I had precious items shipped.

That only works if the parcels are shipped via USPS. Can't get FedEx or UPS to a PO Box.

Dec 04 12 07:03 am  Link  Quote 
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Christopher Hartman
Posts: 53,912
Buena Park, California, US


Paolo Diavolo wrote:

this!

the only reason i feel she is asking for it is because she set him up.
she planned out to attack him the way she did, after attracting him with a fake package.

i hate theives too, but this was a dumb attempt at solving the problem.

Not at all.  If he's been a repeat issue an assuming they have been reporting to the police, the police have done essentially nothing to catch him.  Oooh...but they'll take the time to set up prostitution stings in hotel rooms.  That's more important than picking up doorstep burglars.

I applaud her.

Dec 04 12 07:27 am  Link  Quote 
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