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Minnie Prynn
Posts: 5
Roanoke, Virginia, US


I am being offered to be flown to various places in the US (I am from VA) to shoot for a weekend or so, all expenses paid plus photo shoot compensation. How do I know who's legit?
How do I travel safely? Should I bring someone? Do I have to pay for my "bodyguard"s travel expenses myself or should that be included for the photographer to pay? General tips and advice on safely traveling to meet new photographers long distances - especially FLYING!

Thank you!
- 3 years into the game, never been flown!
Dec 02 12 02:13 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Select Models
Posts: 35,120
Upland, California, US


If you're booked in Southern California... shoot me a message.  Been on this website for close to 8 years and know thousands of regional photographers... good chance I might know them... wink
Dec 02 12 02:24 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
L Bass
Posts: 896
Nacogdoches, Texas, US


All (or most) newbies on MM receive the usual incredible offers to travel and do professional modeling gigs in distant places. After you've been here a while, those will taper off. Right now you are 'new meat' and the scammers are hoping they can get to you, before you do something smart and report them.

In the mean time... think about this... did it cross your mind that there are literally thousands and thousands of seasoned, qualified models scattered out all over the U.S? Did you ever think... 'Why would they want me when they could get a qualified model locally and save the travel expenses?' Or 'Why would they choose me out of all the models on MM?' Or even... 'This offer seems too good to be true!' Or how about this... 'WOW, I just got here and the offers are already coming! I should have become a model a long time ago!'

If you haven't yet thought about those things.... do it now.

If this offer came from a MM member... In the upper right hand corner of this page, click on 'help'... then click on 'contact a mod'... then send them a copy of the email so they can put a stop to it before someone actually sends personal info. (or worse yet... accepts a check and sends the balance to a third party), and gets burned real bad.

Newmodels.com has some great tips for you. There are hundreds of threads about 'incredible offers' and 'is this legit?' on MM. Search and read and you will be surprised to find out that you aren't the only one receiving these offers.

Be safe. Read. Learn. Enjoy your time at MM. I wish you the best wink
Dec 02 12 02:47 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Orca Bay Images
Posts: 31,679
Lodi, California, US


It would probably be a good idea to downplay in your profile your screaming desire to travel until you've got *some* idea of how to travel safely.
Dec 02 12 03:27 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
B R U N E S C I
Posts: 25,319
Bath, England, United Kingdom


Minnie Prynn wrote:
Do I have to pay for my "bodyguard"s travel expenses myself or should that be included for the photographer to pay?

Why would you even consider shooting with somebody if you felt you needed a bodyguard?

Plus, you're 5'2" and although you say you shoot nudes there is nothing in your portfolio to indicate this is actually the case. No genuine photographer in his right mind is going to pay to fly you and your bodyguard across the country, and if anybody is offering to do so then it's 99.999% certain to be a scam.

The solution is to check references and if you can't get a few good solid references from models who seem to travel a lot then decline the offer.

Please educate yourself about scams by reading this useful thread:-

http://www.ripoffreport.com

Here also is an excellent post by Madame Bink, one of the best known and most successful art nude models in the UK. She's been travelling and modelling (mostly nude) for 5 years and has never had a serious problem with a photographer because she uses her head and takes reasonable precautions, including checking references, before working with somebody for the first time.

Starting Modelling: Staying Safe - by Madame Bink


Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

Dec 02 12 04:25 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
EdwardKristopher
Posts: 3,338
Tempe, Arizona, US


Minnie,

Stay near home!  Shoot near home!

I'm sure that if someone were willing to fly you somewhere then there should be numerous persons willing to pay you at home.

If you feel the need to protect yourself then why consider it?

Kindest regards,
Edward
Dec 02 12 04:29 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Minnie Prynn
Posts: 5
Roanoke, Virginia, US


Thanks everyone!
Dec 02 12 12:46 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jerry Nemeth
Posts: 25,900
Dearborn, Michigan, US


I often shoot models that I've never met before nude.  If you have reservations about the shoot don't go.
Dec 02 12 01:20 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Vector 38
Posts: 8,296
Austin, Texas, US


Orca Bay Images wrote:
would probably be a good idea to downplay in your profile your screaming desire to travel until you've got *some* idea of how to travel safely.

+1

Dec 02 12 01:25 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Paolo Diavolo
Posts: 7,846
Pleasant Hill, California, US


Minnie Prynn wrote:
Do I have to pay for my "bodyguard"s travel expenses myself or should that be included for the photographer to pay?

huh? wha? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

welcome to model mayhem smile

Dec 02 12 01:27 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Mark Salo
Posts: 7,760
Olney, Maryland, US


There are several scam scenarios.  Can't tell from what you posted. 

Never accept a check for too much money and forward the overage to a third party.

Paying for the airline ticket can be problematic.  Don't pay for it out of your own money.  Don't accept a check which might bounce.  A bonefide  gig will provide a ticket for you.

Also, if you expect an escort to be paid for, you should ask the specific photographer, not us.  The typical scam says that they will pay for an escort.

Minnie Prynn wrote:
I am being offered to be flown to various places in the US (I am from VA) to shoot for a weekend or so, all expenses paid plus photo shoot compensation. How do I know who's legit?
How do I travel safely? Should I bring someone? Do I have to pay for my "bodyguard"s travel expenses myself or should that be included for the photographer to pay? General tips and advice on safely traveling to meet new photographers long distances - especially FLYING!

Thank you!
- 3 years into the game, never been flown!

"especially FLYING!"  Take a train.

Dec 02 12 01:32 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Paolo Diavolo
Posts: 7,846
Pleasant Hill, California, US


Mark Salo wrote:
Also, if you expect an escort to be paid for, you should ask the specific photographer, not us.  The typical scam says that they will pay for an escort.

I would use common sense:

1. Most photographers don't allow escorts.

2. Professional modeling jobs do not have bring a friend to work day.

3. And this is very important: On Professional shoots Photographers don't choose the model.

Of all the professional jobs I've done as Photographer I'VE NEVER CHOSEN THE MODEL. Thats not my responsibility on the project. It would be a very rare that a photographer would have influence on who the model is.

The only time I choose a model is for a hobby/personal projects.
Most anyone shooting a project they are funding personally is not going to pay for additional people to tag along.


think about it.

Dec 02 12 01:47 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Paolo Diavolo
Posts: 7,846
Pleasant Hill, California, US


Minnie Prynn wrote:
I am being offered to be flown to various places in the US

Are these offers coming to you in your model mayhem inbox?
If they are fraudulent offers you need to use the CAM function and report scammers:

http://www.ripoffreport.com/

Dec 02 12 01:50 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Woven Thought
Posts: 328
Petersburg, Virginia, US


NOOO, girl!  I am hearing scam offers in your inbox right now.  Listen to your gut, does that really ring true?

No way is anyone paying for your entourage. 

Sorry there are so many scams out there.  Crazy stuff.
Dec 02 12 01:55 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Minnie Prynn
Posts: 5
Roanoke, Virginia, US


I have not received any professional offers, I have only worked with hobbyists (meaning they all have other jobs that bring home the real bacon) and most of them do not mind (even sometimes expect) the model to bring an escort. If I were going to a professional shoot I would not make it a "bring a friend to work" event.
Dec 03 12 01:58 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DAN CRUIKSHANK
Posts: 1,774
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


Please check references. Make it a habit. Do it every time.
Dec 03 12 02:03 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Abbitt Photography
Posts: 11,125
Oakland Acres, Iowa, US


so, you've been llamaing for three years, but haven't flown yet.

What exactly is it about traveling further afield that you feel is a safety concern that you have not had before?

It seems to me the big difference is a flight as well as the time and possibly money commitment, none of which bringing a "body guard" addresses.
Dec 03 12 02:08 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Minnie Prynn
Posts: 5
Roanoke, Virginia, US


Yes, three years of working with ONLY hobbyists in my local area. Roanoke is not a good location at all for professional modeling jobs. I suppose since I haven't been offered professional opportunities is why I am so unfamiliar with the "pros" protocol (although I was referring to less professional work seeing as that is all I am getting). And only considering BG's because I would be working with a stranger (if a "meet and greet" is not a possibility before the shoot) that only shoots as a hobby, not a job/career. Checking references is the best option I am seeing as far as "peace of mind" when working with someone I have not previously met.
Dec 03 12 02:20 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ontherocks
Posts: 22,075
Salem, Oregon, US


i know a model who got her airfare to the east coast covered by a photographer. just do your homework on the photographer as always and make sure you don't flake on them (especially if they paid the travel in advance).

watch out for travel to dubai. supposedly you end up as a sex slave for a prince or something. at least that's what i thought i read once.

and in general i would say that once a guy starts paying you thousands of dollars you might want to consider if photography is all they're interested in (some might be expecting escort-level attention).
Dec 03 12 02:27 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Good Egg Productions
Posts: 14,699
Orlando, Florida, US


Minnie Prynn wrote:
Yes, three years of working with ONLY hobbyists in my local area. Roanoke is not a good location at all for professional modeling jobs. I suppose since I haven't been offered professional opportunities is why I am so unfamiliar with the "pros" protocol (although I was referring to less professional work seeing as that is all I am getting). And only considering BG's because I would be working with a stranger (if a "meet and greet" is not a possibility before the shoot) that only shoots as a hobby, not a job/career. Checking references is the best option I am seeing as far as "peace of mind" when working with someone I have not previously met.

At 5'2", your bread and butter paying shoot will not be a professional shooter.  It will be the photographer with a little bit of money who wants to shoot your body.  Some of those people will allow you to bring someone, but most will not.

Find a few models who make a living doing this, and traveling, and ask them a few questions about how they make it work.  I suspect their answers may open your eyes quite wide.

Dec 03 12 02:39 pm  Link  Quote 
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Carolina Goddess
Posts: 146
Augusta, Georgia, US


Minnie Prynn wrote:
I am being offered to be flown to various places in the US (I am from VA) to shoot for a weekend or so, all expenses paid plus photo shoot compensation. How do I know who's legit?
How do I travel safely? Should I bring someone? Do I have to pay for my "bodyguard"s travel expenses myself or should that be included for the photographer to pay? General tips and advice on safely traveling to meet new photographers long distances - especially FLYING!

Thank you!
- 3 years into the game, never been flown!

First,  Ah Home sweet home! I am from Roanoke as well! Family there and Miss it! Second! Beware. If it sounds too good to be true it is! Stick close to home and keep your expectations realistic.

Dec 03 12 02:52 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
afplcc
Posts: 5,956
Fairfax, Virginia, US


Minnie--I'm from Virginia too (though, the other end of the State).  Beautiful territory Roanoke--if you're ever in the NoVa area, drop me a line and we'll set something up.

Okay, safety for traveling models....

1.  Do the best you can to be sure it's not a scam or some creepo trying to get a cute naked girl at his place for the weekend in hopes he'll get "lucky."  I know, a bit hard to do but you can check references of photographers and if they can't give you good ones then don't travel.  Plenty of traveling models will tell you that they make good money off of shooting for "private collectors" or hobbyists who are well off.  So just b/c you got offers doesn't automatically make it a scam.  But do check out the photographer.  Ask for references.  (or contact some of the models in his portfolio).  The ideal would be to find some model's he's worked with who are traveling models (like Sera Ferron, Madame Kitty, Sie ist Idaho, Hannah Perez) who have not only shot with hundreds or thousands of photographers but are well connected.  Related to that, find a model who's local to that area who's well connected and ask her for an opinion--if she's worked with this shooter or not.

2.  I don't mean to make it sound like your physical safety doesn't matter but....it's far more likely you'll fly in to an area and then get cancelations.  I talked to one traveling model who went to LA with a promise of 8 paying gigs...and 7 of them canceled on her.  She ended up having to call her parents to have them wire her money just so she could get home.  So if it's a traveling gig, either make sure that the traveling expenses are covered upfront (under no condition should you pay for the ticket with the promise that you'll be reimbursed).  Or get traveling arrangements that are cheap/free (staying with another model who is local).

3.  Traveling with an escort, friend or body guard just isn't viable.  Unless you've stumbled across a rich dude with money to burn, no-one is going to pay for a second person to travel...unless they're part of the shoot.  I've known some traveling models who do travel in pairs...partially for the friendship but also the security.  But you could book them both.  To travel with an escort (even assuming most photographers wouldn't be put off by that) doubles your expenses.  And one of the keys to being a successful traveling model is to travel cheap--minimize your expenses.

4.  Get details upfront (where are you staying, approximate time of the shoot) and set up pre-arranged "check-in" calls with someone who is reliable...to let them know you arrived on time, etc.  Get the same details from the shooter too (b/c you need to be able to notify him if you get lost, your flight is running late, etc.). 

5.  If you're looking to get into traveling as a model, the key (as I pointed out earlier) is to minimize your expenses.  If you can get a photographer to cover your airfare in exchange for shooting time, and a local model to let you sleep on her sofa and you eat cheaply....then probably half of your shoot income is profit (rather than going to traveling costs).  Other models will book a workshop and use that as an anchor (and then book shoots up around that).

One last point:  as a general rule, I'd suggest that you start with some smaller steps.  Travel to a city that you can drive to (so you have a car and control over your transportation) that is close by or maybe you have friends at (former college roommate or buddy that moved from Roanoke or a distant cousin).  Before you travel to that city, book a couple of shoots (contact photographers directly or set up a casting call).  Get a feel for what it's like living out of a backpack, doing 2-3 shoots a day in different locations in a strange city.  But you'll have a safety net (like your car and friend/family in the area).  You'll then find that flying to a strange city to shoot with a complete stranger isn't such a learning curve for you--you've already acquired some of the skills on screening and safety behavior that this thread has addressed.   View it (a smaller, shorter trip to a drivable location) as an investment in your education as a model.

Best of luck whichever way you decide to go,

Ed
Dec 05 12 03:41 am  Link  Quote 
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Los Angeles, California, US


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