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Photographer
Stanley L Moore
Posts: 1,598
Houston, Texas, US


JoJo wrote:
Pros of a female photographer...

a female photographer knows a little better how the female body turns/twists/bends thus eliminating "now lift your right foot... higher... great... now lift your left foot... wadda mean you can't float?"

a female photographer usually doesn't resort to "oh ya baby, gimme more of that" and "go girl, yer makin me hot" and "oh ya, you got my little friend paying attention now"

Surely remarks like that are WAY beyond the pale. No one should put up with them. I like guys, especially muscle guys, BUT while shooting sex is the furthest thing from my mind. And most guys would not appreciate the photographer saying stuff like that to them. Especially since most of them are straight.

Your first point is well taken. I know what guys expect from their photos and try to give them that. I know how to make them look better than they are..... or worse for that matter. LOL. There is something to be said for having such a familiarity with male anatomy.

But except for fashion models very few men know how to pose naturally. Your average female model with any experience can assume and hold the standard poses. They also know what makes them look good while many males do not.

Dec 03 12 09:27 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Alicia Hansen Photo
Posts: 1,962
Durango, Colorado, US


Angelique Luff wrote:
I feel it really depends of the professionalism of the male photographer (whether he is just a GWC or not)
Like if he's a photographer who is taking his role seriously, I really don't mind the gender. They're both great, it really depends on the person then.
But you do get some male 'photographers' like
'ooooh sxi' 'ur so hot'
Whereas female photographers never attempt such vulgar language.

Where'd you hear that delusional rubbish?
Just because you don't hear about it as often doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Dec 03 12 09:48 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Laura UnBound
Posts: 27,242
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Angelique Luff wrote:
I feel it really depends of the professionalism of the male photographer (whether he is just a GWC or not)
Like if he's a photographer who is taking his role seriously, I really don't mind the gender. They're both great, it really depends on the person then.
But you do get some male 'photographers' like
'ooooh sxi' 'ur so hot'
Whereas female photographers never attempt such vulgar language.

Never, huh?


I guess, despite my bazillion photographs of models from this site, I'm still not a female photographer.


I say more inappropriate things than I've ever heard another male photographer say.

It's not threatening because I'm a chick wink

Dec 04 12 12:20 am  Link  Quote 
Model
MickCetera
Posts: 276
Chicago, Illinois, US


It definitely depends on the professionalism of work. And as a guy I like working with women photographers (and homosexual male photographers) if I'm aiming to capture a seductive image. I can tell from their body language if I am doing something they like even if we're shooting in complete silence. Not that I'm into hitting on my photographers or anything lol but for a shoot like that I want them to react if I'm hitting a good pose or expression. It gets me more into it.
Other than that I don't think sex should matter.
Dec 04 12 12:54 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Wynd Mulysa
Posts: 8,597
Berkeley, California, US


RoryBanwellPhotography wrote:
I am a female photographer (don't let my name fool you) and was wondering which sex models (regardless of gender) feel more comfortable with..

Pro's and Con's of each??

i have only worked with four female photographers in the bazillion years i have been modeling.  they were all also models.

so i liked them more.  smile.

Dec 04 12 01:06 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Wynd Mulysa
Posts: 8,597
Berkeley, California, US


Laura UnBound wrote:
I guess, despite my bazillion photographs of models from this site, I'm still not a female photographer.

we both said bazillion!

Dec 04 12 01:06 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Nor-Cal Photography
Posts: 2,610
Walnut Creek, California, US


It's been a long time since I did any modeling. A bazillion years! I have posed nude for female photographers and felt very comfortable. I wouldn't have posed nude for a male photographer because I knew that I would not have felt comfortable.

But just one worthless opinion.  smile
Dec 04 12 02:52 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ontherocks
Posts: 22,329
Salem, Oregon, US


on my last high school senior shoot mom and daughter were talking about daughter's boyfriend (a fellow student) who had apparently been suspended for drugs and cutting school. i've never taken illegal drugs and only cut school one day (to play golf. lol) so maybe us older guys are getting a bum rap!

Alicia Hansen Photo wrote:
If your model is under 18, who knows, they could just have super picky parents who would prefer their daughter doesn't work with older men.

Dec 04 12 02:58 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ontherocks
Posts: 22,329
Salem, Oregon, US


i think male photographers should go to strip clubs and listen to what is being said and then make sure not to say any of that stuff to a model. lol.

i think i moaned once under my breath on a shoot. i mean the model and pose was just too hot. i'm human.

christa meola has done well basically telling her customers "let's get you drunk and naked!"

JoJo wrote:
a female photographer usually doesn't resort to "oh ya baby, gimme more of that" and "go girl, yer makin me hot" and "oh ya, you got my little friend paying attention now"

Dec 04 12 03:00 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
salvatori.
Posts: 3,762
State College, Pennsylvania, US


JoJo wrote:
Pros of a female photographer...

a female photographer knows a little better how the female body turns/twists/bends thus eliminating "now lift your right foot... higher... great... now lift your left foot... wadda mean you can't float?"

a female photographer usually doesn't resort to "oh ya baby, gimme more of that" and "go girl, yer makin me hot" and "oh ya, you got my little friend paying attention now"

Wrong. Offensive. and wrong.

Dec 04 12 03:02 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
name removed3
Posts: 264
Boston, Massachusetts, US


Laura UnBound wrote:
Doesn't matter. Work is work. There's nothing inherently better or worse to either gender

well said

Dec 04 12 03:06 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
PDF IMAGES PHOTOGRAPHY
Posts: 4,603
Jacksonville, Florida, US


depends for everyday photography, weddings, etc. either, as for models female !, but I have been approached by male models and always been for nudes, I have no issues photographing male models, but when the 1st thing out of the mouth is will you shoot me nude......in a way that gives me the weeebie jeebies !
Dec 04 12 03:12 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Brianne L
Posts: 279
OTTSVILLE, Pennsylvania, US


I guess female, but I don't actively try to only seek out females to work with.
I've only worked with 3, two of them being people I already knew.
Being I'm still new to modeling and whatnot, I get nervous at first either way though.
Dec 04 12 05:01 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
bw fotograf
Posts: 209
Plano, Texas, US


being new to this culture, i can't really grasp the depth of the model/photographer relationship just yet other than it's strictly work to me, especially if i'm paying someone for their time where i'm making sure i get the shots and all of my ideas knocked out.

this strikes me as particularly funny, and perhaps most male photographers are hideous troglodytes according to internet lore, but do some models really walk into every shoot thinking they're going to get hit on when they have no idea how hot his wife/gf/fuck buddy might be? isn't that a bit conceited? maybe he's got a smoking hot partner who just doesn't want her nakey pics on the interwebs and he has to go to those who don't care because it's their chosen profession and he's pursuing a fine art nude project.
Dec 04 12 09:26 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Alex_Alexander
Posts: 28
Detroit, Michigan, US


From a modeling perspective-There is no set gender -moreso--its style and shooting ability...most of my erotic work has been with males...and in most cases they were on point...maybe a female would have been cool to shoot with too---but the situation has not come up---i shot a major legit ad with a female-and she was rather laid back and very easy going....it worked as well....so do i have a gender preference-NO!
Though i have seen some work by females that i would like to work with  and some males the same...again...Gender? Makes no difference if you know your stuff...
Dec 05 12 03:29 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Amul La La
Posts: 805
Plymouth, England, United Kingdom


Angelique Luff wrote:
I feel it really depends of the professionalism of the male photographer (whether he is just a GWC or not)
Like if he's a photographer who is taking his role seriously, I really don't mind the gender. They're both great, it really depends on the person then.
But you do get some male 'photographers' like
'ooooh sxi' 'ur so hot'
Whereas female photographers never attempt such vulgar language.

I'm sure you get GWC to =  girls with cameras!

Dec 05 12 05:42 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Photographe
Posts: 2,350
Bristol, England, United Kingdom


If you want a professional experience, then work with someone who has themselves assisted a professional, otherwise expect some chance of naivety, ignorance and "tourism". Only a chance though.

If you are dealing with self-taught beginners with no formal qualifications or work experience, then it's wasting your time to expect them to get everything right, be focused in the right directions, or to give you the best possible experience and learning curve.

My advice to some MM models would be to not complain, but go and watch an industry fashion shoot. That then equips you handsomely to know when your internet photographer is out of line or not.

I know very few fashion photographers who would refuse a student, beginner or model watching them, in return for a little assisting.
Dec 05 12 07:15 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Dobias Fine Art Photo
Posts: 1,695
Haddon Heights, New Jersey, US


I have found that male models are more creeped out by "rubenesque" female photographers than male photographers.  It's the "EWW!" factor and the security that the model has in his/herself.

Female models have been picking up tips for years from guys with bad breath and known how to keep them at a distance.  Male models aren't quite as skilled, since they are less likely to say, "FUCK YOU!" call it a day, and tell tales of the creep.
Dec 08 12 12:38 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Dobias Fine Art Photo
Posts: 1,695
Haddon Heights, New Jersey, US


Ok. I've got a follow up, once my grey cells were activated.

In addition the the one male model of mine who was creeped out by a "rubenesque" photographer who proceeded to ask him to look at her like he adored her while she put the camera on auto-timer and posed with him, there was another male model of mine.

I brought him along to a group shoot.  An African-American female photographer was there who outweighed him by twice.  She proceeded to grab him by his upper arm, drag him away, and say, "Show me sumpthin'."

Running interference, I asked her, "And he's a polite, young man, isn't he?"

She replied, "Sho 'nuf!  Bring that bwah around, agin!" 

In the aftermath, the model, wanting to be polite and not offend, told me, "Oh, I LOVE big African-American women.  They always tell me that I am sweet.  I have them all around when I am on life-guard duty at the local pool.  I know how to deal with them."

And that was his last shoot.  Ever, some 4 years ago or so.
Dec 08 12 12:57 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Axioma
Posts: 6,776
Gent, East Flanders, Belgium


Well, there are those who say that there is absolutely no difference at all. I don't believe in this; when a person of the other gender walks in in a group of all females or all males, the dynamic of the conversation directly changes. This is a fact, I guess the same logic applies to shoots. The dynamic between a female-male is different than 2 persons of the same sexe.

Professionaly it shouldn't make a difference of course and the same code of conduct and manners applies.
Dec 08 12 01:54 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DragonlenZ Imaging
Posts: 4
Phoenix, Arizona, US


I have noticed alot of female models will do TFP with a female photographer much faster than with a male photographer. I guess they figure the female photographers are in it for the art and the males are in it for the cheesecake. Not always the case, lol.
Dec 09 12 01:36 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Ashlee Keyz
Posts: 14
Ann Arbor, Michigan, US


I don't prefer one or the other. It really doesn't make a difference. Then again I haven't ever had a problem with either male or female photographers.
Sometimes it can be helpful with a female bc they can be more honest and give you an opinion if you want.
Still I am indifferent.
Dec 09 12 10:24 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Shaun Tia
Posts: 1,696
Phoenix, Arizona, US


Doesnt matter to me. If anything, I think it's easier to work with a male photographer simply because that's 99% of who I work with.
Dec 09 12 12:25 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Jojo West
Posts: 972
Silver Spring, Maryland, US


RoryBanwellPhotography wrote:
I am a female photographer (don't let my name fool you) and was wondering which sex models (regardless of gender) feel more comfortable with..

Pro's and Con's of each??

I've shot with both. I think it just depends. I think a female knows a bit more about another females concerns for angles especially with a curvy model, and in all honesty, you're less concerned about the photog being touchy or inappropriate. But you can be just as comfortable with a male photographer if he's professional. It's a matter of preference. Personally I have none.

Dec 09 12 10:44 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Alexandra Rupert
Posts: 32
San Diego, California, US


Not going to lie, I prefer to work with female photographers.
Dec 10 12 06:45 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
arievilo
Posts: 12
Leopoldina, Minas Gerais, Brazil


More and more I think photographing nude models is something boring and depressing. I believe it is unrealistic that a photographer who is not producing porn gonzo talk with model as mentioned by Jojo (moderator). Models who prefer to shoot with women, I think that will limit their work too.
Dec 20 12 02:12 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
sacre bleu
Posts: 611
Orlando, Florida, US


JoJo wrote:
Pros of a female photographer...

a female photographer knows a little better how the female body turns/twists/bends thus eliminating "now lift your right foot... higher... great... now lift your left foot... wadda mean you can't float?"

a female photographer usually doesn't resort to "oh ya baby, gimme more of that" and "go girl, yer makin me hot" and "oh ya, you got my little friend paying attention now"

I never expected such sexist comments from a mod, especially not from you, JJ

Dec 23 12 10:33 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jim White Photography
Posts: 593
Orlando, Florida, US


Professionals can't afford to have preferences (or at least can't afford to voice them). Models I've worked with always seem to prefer photographers that can make them look great and/or find them paying jobs. Gender is a non-factor.
Dec 23 12 10:41 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Michael Scot
Posts: 860
Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, US


RoryBanwellPhotography wrote:
I am a female photographer (don't let my name fool you) and was wondering which sex models (regardless of gender) feel more comfortable with..

Pro's and Con's of each??

My opinion varries greatly from pre-modeling days, to now.  I have nothing but good things to say about the very few women I've worked with, but...I find male photographers easier to work with.  Just less distractions, and fewer taboos.  If a girl offends a guy; he's too sensitive.  If a guy offends a girl; he's too insensitive.  Right or wrong, it's just the way things work.  Society will always hold a male more accountable in multi gender issues.  It's just easier to do your job when you can let your guard down.  So even though gender shouldn't matter, ultimately it does.

Dec 23 12 11:35 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Sand Angel Photography
Posts: 569
Phoenix, Arizona, US


Alexandra Rupert wrote:
Not going to lie, I prefer to work with female photographers.

I suppose I could wear a long hair wig for you. But if I do, I get to play hair band music at full volume. lol.

Dec 23 12 11:43 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
my_other_profile
Posts: 666
Ankeny, Iowa, US


...I just realized that I don't think I've ever worked with a female photographer.  I don't think a female photographer has ever messaged me asking to shoot.  I get messages from female models...and not female photographers.  That didn't even occur to me until I saw this thread.

Is it because of what I shoot?

Huh.
Dec 23 12 12:50 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
MichelleGenevieve
Posts: 97
Austin, Texas, US


Laura UnBound wrote:
Doesn't matter. Work is work. There's nothing inherently better or worse to either gender

This.

Even so, I really don't know if being with a female photographer is different (although I am one myself).  I'd love to work with a female photographer some day to see how it goes.

Dec 23 12 08:23 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Sand Angel Photography
Posts: 569
Phoenix, Arizona, US


There are quite a few female photographers around here that when I see their work, I just want to throw my camera away and go dig ditches. They are really good. In reality, it makes me want to work harder.
Dec 23 12 09:02 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Cree Synster
Posts: 262
Milledgeville, Georgia, US


Sex really doesn't matter to me around photographers, despite how 90% of the time, I seem to be shooting with male photographers (just how the cookie crumbles). Professionalism, quality, and friendliness are the biggest points in my book when it comes to doing a shoot with someone.
Dec 23 12 09:39 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
eric w franklin
Posts: 2
Washington, District of Columbia, US


I started out as a medical photographer and have photographed many nude women for medical reasons. There my job was to put the patient at ease and shoot the patient. I was less nervous there than when I shoot a model for nudes. I think part of my nervousness comes from the perception that male photographer have a higher probability of being inappropriate.

I can't speak about all models but I can say that there is a higher probability that a female photographer would be able to obtain models to shoot nudes easier than their male counterpart. The problem is that it really is about the person and not the sex of the photographer like some have written. I have work in environments where most of my co-workers were women. Some where gay and the way they spoke to our female customers surprised the hell out of me. Even the straight women spoke in ways that most men I know would have not done. I am not saying that there are no men out there who act out, but I would say that both sexes have individuals who act in inappropriate ways.

I find it easier for me to be honest at what I am shooting and in the short time your shooting, learn the person and always respect them. If you can talk to them before the shoot talk honestly and for god sake if you are going to talk a certain way, tell them. This goes for both sexes. At least they know what to expect.

The question is if any model was asked by Robert Mapplethroupe (yes he is dead but work with me), and didn't know who he was, would the ones who are apprehensive about male photographers pose for him.

Thats all I got to say.
Dec 23 12 10:02 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Christine Eadie
Posts: 2,613
Charleston, South Carolina, US


The only women who ever told me they'd shoot with me because I'm female were women who wanted to hire me for boudoir (which I don't do). The concept of a client choosing a photographer based solely on their gender just irks me.

Some male photographers have suggested I should get into boudoir. Usually older guys who also believe women are better at wedding photography because they are "more romantic." I just roll my eyes. I don't think your gender makes you a better or worse photographer, and it shouldn't dictate what you shoot.

Some llamas do tell me stories about local guys who have acted weird. (It's always the same guys.) But the same llamas will gossip about EVERYONE, (male or female) so it's not like it's a "girls-against-guys" kind of thing. The llamas who want to trade with me say that they like my work. They don't say they want to work with me because I'm female
Dec 24 12 04:19 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Michael Bots
Posts: 5,683
Kingston, Ontario, Canada


JoJo wrote:
Pros of a female photographer...

a female photographer knows a little better how the female body turns/twists/bends thus eliminating "now lift your right foot... higher... great... now lift your left foot... wadda mean you can't float?"

a female photographer usually doesn't resort to "oh ya baby, gimme more of that" and "go girl, yer makin me hot" and "oh ya, you got my little friend paying attention now"

how the female body turns/twists/bends

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9mVdgBcr08

Dec 24 12 05:27 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
David J Martin
Posts: 458
Amberg, Bavaria, Germany


JoJo wrote:
Pros of a female photographer...

a female photographer knows a little better how the female body turns/twists/bends thus eliminating "now lift your right foot... higher... great... now lift your left foot... wadda mean you can't float?"

a female photographer usually doesn't resort to "oh ya baby, gimme more of that" and "go girl, yer makin me hot" and "oh ya, you got my little friend paying attention now"

Wow, judging from your comment, you'd have us believe the difference between fe/male photographers is that male photographers are unprofessional and female photographers are professional.  That's very close minded of you.

Dec 25 12 01:09 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Figuremodel001
Posts: 280
Chicago, Illinois, US


As a person taking photos, doesn't matter a bit. As a person to hang around with, depends on the person, not the gender thereof; unless the intent is to find a date, which is beyong the scope of this site. Others exist for that.
Dec 25 12 06:44 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
STT Photography
Posts: 164
Daytona Beach, Florida, US


DragonlenZ wrote:
I have noticed alot of female models will do TFP with a female photographer much faster than with a male photographer. I guess they figure the female photographers are in it for the art and the males are in it for the cheesecake. Not always the case, lol.

Additionally if the male photographer is what's considered "cute or hot" to them they'll line up around the block to shoot tf with them

Dec 25 12 07:09 am  Link  Quote 
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