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Model
Kirsty Fusco
Posts: 146
Newbury, England, United Kingdom


I posted a casting and received a reply. This is how the conversation went...

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Hi,

I saw your casting and would be interested, Love the idea of a winter evening snow shoot.
Cheers

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Hi there,

I am searching for a photographer with a certain type of work/style. From the portfolio you have on here, i dont think you would be suitable. Do you have another portfolio elsewhere?

Many thanks,

Roxi

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Hi Roxi, Yes I do but as I never have to chase models to work with me I won't work with anyone who questions my suitability.
Cheers

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Now, i think that his reply was a little rude however im a little paranoid that he may have thought i was being the rude one.
Do i come off as rude without realizing it? In my head, i was simply saying that he wasnt suitable for that particular project (as his portfolio was full or erotica and his "about me" clearly stated that he was mostly interested in shooting erotica).

What do you think?
Dec 06 12 10:09 am  Link  Quote 
Model
TheHonoraryLoli
Posts: 76
Austin, Texas, US


No, I don't think you were being rude.  He should have caught on that you are simply not interested in /erotica/, but it sounds like he assumed you were dissing his actual skill.  However, his response was testy, and you could have easily gotten around the misunderstanding if only a little effort was put in on his part.
I mean, his loss, really.  I wouldn't worry too much about it.
Dec 06 12 10:12 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
KMP
Posts: 4,515
Houston, Texas, US


I think you both tied in your pragmatic comments.

Neither of you tip-toed around how you felt.

So there should be no animosity about the outcome.
Dec 06 12 10:21 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Photographe
Posts: 2,350
Bristol, England, United Kingdom


You weren't clear.

MM is one big sea of confusion sometimes. When you join, you are asked to tick "lingerie".

To some people lingerie is fashion. To some people it is something taboo, erotic or glamour, or assume it is "mens" content.

I would be extremely clear at all times and stick to recognized and unmistakable terms.

If you are offering money, then his reply is unnecessary, but if you are not offering money, then obviously it was perceived as an extra hurdle, because you didn't state the specific issue "erotica", which is reasonable then to ask to see other ports or styles.
Dec 06 12 10:23 am  Link  Quote 
Model
MelissaAnn
Posts: 3,587
Seattle, Washington, US


Neither of you were being rude, just honest- nothing wrong with that.
Dec 06 12 10:25 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Cherrystone
Posts: 35,330
Columbus, Ohio, US


Roxi Brooke wrote:
What do you think?

I think I'd hit delete and go on about my day. smile

Dec 06 12 10:25 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Julia Gerace
Posts: 1,889
Monroe, Connecticut, US


yes, I think if you had just said 'I'm not interested in erotica, do you have other work online' it would have been a little smoother...if that was the issue...
Dec 06 12 10:27 am  Link  Quote 
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MB Jen B
Posts: 2,493
Anchorage, Alaska, US


Roxi Brooke wrote:
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Now, i think that his reply was a little rude however im a little paranoid that he may have thought i was being the rude one.
Do i come off as rude without realizing it? In my head, i was simply saying that he wasnt suitable for that particular project (as his portfolio was full or erotica and his "about me" clearly stated that he was mostly interested in shooting erotica).

What do you think?

Hello Roxi,

I've found that 99.9% of the time that I have turned down a photographer who shoots erotica, because they shoot erotica, that they take it as a personal affront and become defensive to the point of being insulting. I figure they are projecting a WHOLE lot of somthing that has nothing to do with me.

Jen
p.s. and for those two that I know that haven't responded in that manner, I respect their art all the more!!

Dec 06 12 10:30 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
PhotographybyT
Posts: 7,561
Monterey, California, US


Roxi Brooke wrote:
From the portfolio you have on here, i dont think you would be suitable.

No, I don't think you were being rude, but I might've written something like this:

"Do you have any work that's similar to the concept in my casting that I can view?"

But I can see how the photographer might be disappointed that just because they have a certain type of portfolio that people think they can't shoot other genres well. Especially, if the work they display is technically or artistically good quality.

That said, the photographer should've just taken it like a pro and not take your denial so personally.

Dec 06 12 10:37 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Wynd Mulysa
Posts: 8,587
Pensacola, Florida, US


no, you weren't rude.
Dec 06 12 10:38 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Wynd Mulysa
Posts: 8,587
Pensacola, Florida, US


Small Fruit Pits wrote:

I think I'd hit delete and go on about my day. smile

that too.

Dec 06 12 10:39 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Photographe
Posts: 2,350
Bristol, England, United Kingdom


He's probably used to the rejection and you are probably one day more free!
Dec 06 12 10:50 am  Link  Quote 
Model
angel emily
Posts: 1,020
Boston, Massachusetts, US


Roxi Brooke wrote:
Hi there,

I am searching for a photographer with a certain type of work/style. From the portfolio you have on here, i dont think you would be suitable. Do you have another portfolio elsewhere?

Many thanks,

Roxi

I think you could have worded this differently in order to prevent his negative reaction. This is obviously what set him off, so I'd take a close look at what you said.  Was it rude?  Yeah, I think it was.   Did he respond poorly?  Yeah, he kinda did.   

You didn't need to tell him that he wasn't "suitable".  Simply asking if he had more work elsewhere would have sufficied.  If you truly weren't interested, simply saying "No, thank you" would have been acceptable (and any negative reply from him would have been 100% on him).

Others vehemently disagree with the "no response" method, but I think when responding to a casting call, it's fair to expect a response only if selected for the job.  I've attended hundreds of real life casting calls, and never once has anyone called me back to say "Sorry, you weren't chosen".  A no response is a no thank you... but you know, that's the real world, and MM is a different story.

Dec 06 12 11:09 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
GM Photography
Posts: 6,004
Olympia, Washington, US


Why didn't you just stop here?  "I am searching for a photographer with a certain type of work/style. From the portfolio you have on here, i dont think you would be suitable."

If you didn't think he would suit your needs, why waste both of your time asking to look at more work (which probably would have also been "unsuitable")?
Dec 06 12 11:10 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
AgX
Posts: 1,149
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US


Roxi Brooke wrote:
Now, i think that his reply was a little rude however im a little paranoid that he may have thought i was being the rude one.
Do i come off as rude without realizing it? In my head, i was simply saying that he wasnt suitable for that particular project (as his portfolio was full or erotica and his "about me" clearly stated that he was mostly interested in shooting erotica).

What do you think?

Your response could easily be interpreted as a bit off-putting. Since you didn't detail what about his portfolio you found unsuitable (and in fact you stated that _he_ was unsuitable) for your casting, one could think that it might be his composition, execution, lighting, etc. Your response could be translated as "Your work here sucks. Do you have anything that doesn't suck?"

You weren't clear, and he can't hear the voices in your head.

Dec 06 12 11:16 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
annie lomowitz
Posts: 257
WOODY CREEK, Colorado, US


no, you weren't being rude. His response was sulky, rather than rude.

Men, too often, respond badly to rejection.
Dec 06 12 11:18 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
M Pandolfo Photography
Posts: 12,113
Tampa, Florida, US


Roxi Brooke wrote:
I won't work with anyone who questions my suitability.
Cheers

Sooo...I guess this photographer has never had a job before. Does he get up and storm out of the interview when the potential employer questions their skillset?

"How DARE you ask me if I'm proficient at Excel!! Good DAY sir!"

Dec 06 12 11:20 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
M Pandolfo Photography
Posts: 12,113
Tampa, Florida, US


AgX wrote:
Your response could be translated as "Your work here sucks. Do you have anything that doesn't suck?"

I'm sure that's exactly what she was saying. She knew it. He knew it. We know it lol.

I give her credit for saying that very statement in a more tactful way. She made the effort and gave the photographer the benefit of the doubt and asked if he had any additional work for consideration.

A lot of potential clients make absolutely no effort to be tactful. But you don't act indignant and offended.

Sounds to me like that photographer doesn't really work on commercial projects a lot so he takes any criticism personally.

Dec 06 12 11:27 am  Link  Quote 
Model
K I C K H A M
Posts: 14,240
Los Angeles, California, US


Michael Pandolfo wrote:

Sooo...I guess this photographer has never had a job before. Does he get up and storm out of the interview when the potential employer questions their skillset?

"How DARE you ask me if I'm proficient at Excel!! Good DAY sir!"

So that's why I didn't get that job. *sigh*

OP- I think you could state it better if this happens in the future. For this situation, I would just delete and move on. smile

Dec 06 12 11:34 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DOUGLASFOTOS
Posts: 7,667
Los Angeles, California, US


K I C K H A M wrote:
So that's why I didn't get that job. *sigh*

OP- I think you could state it better if this happens in the future. For this situation, I would just delete and move on. smile

Thank You...

Dec 06 12 11:36 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
PhotosbyChuck
Posts: 2,222
Glen Ellyn, Illinois, US


No one was rude...simply direct. 

It would help to be less vague in your casting call.  Tell as much as you can about the concept -- and if it's going to be important to your acceptance of an offer, ask to see images along the lines of your concept.  Thinking winter evening fashion?  Say you want to see outdoor fashion in the photographer's port.
Dec 06 12 11:36 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Melodye Joy
Posts: 542
Rancho Cucamonga, California, US


PhotosbyChuck wrote:
No one was rude...simply direct. 

It would help to be less vague in your casting call.  Tell as much as you can about the concept -- and if it's going to be important to your acceptance of an offer, ask to see images along the lines of your concept.  Thinking winter evening fashion?  Say you want to see outdoor fashion in the photographer's port.

Agreed +100

To the OP- You were very kind, maybe too kind? to someone who apparently wants to work with fellow artists and models, but has no time to seek them out himself, let alone, gets huffy when one inquires of someone's abilities/work that just may not be posted via social networks/casting areas/websites...

His loss far more than yours, hun.

Delete and go on!

Good luck smile

Dec 06 12 12:18 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Cynthia Serrano
Posts: 12,436
Newark, New Jersey, US


MelissaAnn  wrote:
Neither of you were being rude, just honest- nothing wrong with that.

+1 Move on smile

Dec 06 12 12:31 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
All Yours Photography
Posts: 2,189
Toledo, Ohio, US


Michael Pandolfo wrote:

I'm sure that's exactly what she was saying. She knew it. He knew it. We know it lol.

I give her credit for saying that very statement in a more tactful way. She made the effort and gave the photographer the benefit of the doubt and asked if he had any additional work for consideration.

A lot of potential clients make absolutely no effort to be tactful. But you don't act indignant and offended.

Sounds to me like that photographer doesn't really work on commercial projects a lot so he takes any criticism personally.

If she thought that his erotica sucked and that was the first thing he presented, there is no reason to believe that his mainstream work would be better.  It is fair to assume that the OP wanted to see something in a genre closer to her project, although if would have been better if she had asked for that instead of just "something else" to protect the thin-skinned and somewhat smug photographer's delicate ego.

Dec 06 12 12:48 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ontherocks
Posts: 22,080
Salem, Oregon, US


you have to be more gentle than that with our fragile male egos!

i always laugh when photographers complain about models not responding. if the models did respond they would probably rip the photographer to shreds.
Dec 06 12 04:27 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Nyctiphaes
Posts: 159
Athens, Attikí, Greece


you should have turned down in a more gentle way and be done with it.
Something as if, thank you for contacting me, i ll let the casting call run till ......... and i ll get back to you then if we are to collaborate.

Thats the one i use when i post casting calls and never ever had any problems.
Dec 06 12 09:08 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Exterminate
Posts: 65
Seattle, Washington, US


Both of you had attitude about it, you were the catalyst, the photographer was reactive.


If you wanted to see more work, could have asked, without giving a borderline unsolicited critique.

"I would like to see more of your work, do you have extended portfolios featured elsewhere?"

It never hurts to maintain an air of professionalism, especially when posting a casting call.
Dec 06 12 09:20 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
UCPhotog
Posts: 983
Union City, California, US


Julia Gerace wrote:
yes, I think if you had just said 'I'm not interested in erotica, do you have other work online' it would have been a little smoother...if that was the issue...

+1. If you think his work is good (which I assume you did because you asked to see more of it besides his erotica work), then I might have stated something like, "You seem to have good photography skills but I want to be sure of a shared vision. Do you have non-erotic work I could view?"

Too often the written word cannot truly convey emotion. And there lies the problem with our electronically connected world that has replaced too much human interaction.

Dec 06 12 09:38 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
GoldieImages
Posts: 128
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory, Australia


To me your response was very blunt and perhaps verging on rude. You specifically said he was not suitable based on criteria that wasn't very clear to begin with. He took what you said as an insult and responded in kind.

A better response would have been, "I've had a look through your port and I love your work, but I don't see anything that has a similar look 'n' feel to the shoot I envisioned. Do you have more photos I can browse through?"

or better yet,

"Thanks for you interest. I've received a lot of responses and i'm going through them to see who would be a best fit for the project. I hope we're able to work together in the future."
Dec 07 12 12:31 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Natural Means
Posts: 453
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia


Last four posts are about how i see it too.

Good luck with the shoot btw.
Dec 07 12 04:08 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Jules NYC
Posts: 14,584
New York, New York, US


Hi there,

I am searching for a photographer with a certain type of work/style. From the portfolio you have on here, I don't think you would be suitable. Do you have another portfolio elsewhere?

Many thanks,

Roxi


Hi there,

I am searching for a photographer with a certain type of work/style. Your work captured my interest and I'm looking for *insert specific style here*. Do you have another portfolio elsewhere that represents that kind of work?

Many thanks,

Roxi
Dec 07 12 04:15 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
730372
Posts: 1,952
Abbeville, Alabama, US


It seems to me that he wasn't overly enthusiastic about working with you in the first place - otherwise he would have circumvented the little issue of you questioning the suitability of his portfolio. You live in a challenging area for modelling and he likely just thought it would be nice to offer to help you out with your project. It's probably not the best footing for a successful outcome anyway - if people aren't wholly enthusiastic and committed. Hope you manage to find someone else.
Dec 07 12 04:33 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
4 R D
Posts: 985
Mexico City, Distrito Federal, Mexico


Roxi Brooke wrote:
From the portfolio you have on here, i dont think you would be suitable. Do you have another portfolio elsewhere?

This is somewhat contradictory and sends a confusing message.

If he is not suitable for you then why do you waste everybody's time by asking him for more?

Now, if you wanted to see more then I presume the quality of his work was good enough to grab your attention even if the style in his port was not what you were looking for. If that was the case then your little assessment was unnecessary.

I do not think either of you was rude, but when you really want to work with somebody you word things differently. At the end it looks like none was thrilled to work with the other. Give him credit for giving you an answer as direct and honest as yours and for not dragging the affair any further.

Dec 07 12 08:58 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Dahlia Doom
Posts: 1
Los Angeles, California, US


I think you were being honest ans he got deffensive.

Not your problem that he took it the wrong way, I dont think what you said came off rude in any way though.

smile

-Christine
Dec 07 12 01:53 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Jojo West
Posts: 969
Silver Spring, Maryland, US


Roxi Brooke wrote:
What do you think?

Don't lose any sleep over it. You were not rude, he was perhaps a bit but some people are sensitive and defensive. Just move on.

Dec 07 12 01:58 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Nadya R
Posts: 325
Houston, Texas, US


no rudeness.... just different people can interpret one word and get a variated feel
Dec 07 12 02:07 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
M Pandolfo Photography
Posts: 12,113
Tampa, Florida, US


All Yours Photography wrote:
If she thought that his erotica sucked and that was the first thing he presented, there is no reason to believe that his mainstream work would be better.  It is fair to assume that the OP wanted to see something in a genre closer to her project, although if would have been better if she had asked for that instead of just "something else" to protect the thin-skinned and somewhat smug photographer's delicate ego.

Oh, I didn't take it that way at all. I took the "do you have a link to other work" as just a polite way to extricate herself from the situation and allow the photographer to save face.

I never thought she actually wanted to see MORE work or expected the photographer to respond with another link of some work that was far superior.

I thought she was just being tactful. Kind of like submitting your resume and having them tell you "they'll keep your resume on file and keep you in mind for future projects." We all know they don't but it's a comforting parting comment.

Dec 07 12 02:17 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
John Horwitz
Posts: 2,548
Raleigh, North Carolina, US


no, see,  since you asked - YOU were the rude one. Instead of seeing what you could negotiate with the photographer...you handed him an attitude.

I can shoot any style or genre, and am occasionally surprised by the comments that 'all of my work is nude' - REALLY - please count again!

If his work isn't for you, OK - no need to be RUDE about it - jeez!
Dec 07 12 02:30 pm  Link  Quote 
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