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C Lamorn
Posts: 8
O FALLON, Missouri, US


When you book a paid llama by the hour when should the pay clock start? When they arrive are once the first shot is fired from the camera?
Dec 06 12 01:43 pm  Link  Quote 
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Kaouthia
Posts: 3,080
Lancaster, England, United Kingdom


For me, when they arrive, usually - or at least, from the scheduled arrival time.  If they turn up an hour early, and I'm not ready and they're sat around for an hour waiting, they're not being paid for that time. smile
Dec 06 12 01:46 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
PDF IMAGES PHOTOGRAPHY
Posts: 4,477
Jacksonville, Florida, US


10 min after arrival, as all the concepts and ideas would have been discuss and model should be ready to shoot.

*for paid shoots*
Dec 06 12 01:51 pm  Link  Quote 
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Orca Bay Images
Posts: 28,614
Lodi, California, US


PDF IMAGES PHOTOGRAPHY wrote:
10 min after arrival, as all the concepts and ideas would have been discuss and model should be ready to shoot.

I've had shoots (granted they were TF, not paid$) in which hair and makeup took nearly two hours. If the clock doesn't start until she's ready to shoot on a paid shoot, that's a lot of time she's giving away.

If the model shows up pretty much ready to shoot, then the clock starts when she's completely ready to shoot. If I dick around talking, that's on me. (The concepts and looks have been discussed prior to the shoot.) If she arrives early, that's on her.

If the model has to be prepped as part of the shoot, then the clock starts when she hits the prep chair.

Dec 06 12 02:06 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
C Lamorn
Posts: 8
O FALLON, Missouri, US


thanks guys!
Dec 06 12 02:12 pm  Link  Quote 
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HungryEye
Posts: 2,269
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada


I stipulate that I pay models for time on set, in front of the camera.
My stylists rarely take more that 45 min, if I am employing one. Models do not get paid for prep time, unless it is going long.

We do take short breaks in the shooting, and I do not subtract those from the "set time."

I have been shooting with this premise since 1982, and I have never had a model object.
Dec 06 12 02:19 pm  Link  Quote 
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L A U B E N H E I M E R
Posts: 7,093
Seattle, Washington, US


HungryEye wrote:
I stipulate that I pay models for time on set, in front of the camera.
My stylists rarely take more that 45 min, if I am employing one. Models do not get paid for prep time, unless it is going long.

We do take short breaks in the shooting, and I do not subtract those from the "set time."

I have been shooting with this premise since 1982, and I have never had a model object.

does the stylist pay the model for their time with them? hmm

Dec 06 12 02:26 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Mickle Design Werks
Posts: 5,925
Washington, District of Columbia, US


It starts at the time you agree that it starts.

If you work with an agency model time starts at arrival. Some model adopt this policy for their freelance work.

Since you are paying you can decide when you would like the "clock: to start and if they accept that then that settles it. I would just implore you to settle this matter BEFORE the shoot so everyone is on the same page.

For me, I instruct the Model to be shoot ready upon arrival otherwise, if they choose to not be shoot ready then we start after they are done with the styling that I requested. My styling instruction are pretty clear and I even provide Youtube videos on how I want hair and make-up done. If I'm bringing in a Stylist then I consider that value-added and it's rare that I'm doing a Model-Paid shoot in that scenario considering that the Model is likely to want to do trade compensation when a their make-up and hair are being done.

But you know what would really solve the issue? Negotiate a flat rate for the shoot.
Dec 06 12 02:37 pm  Link  Quote 
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Herman Surkis
Posts: 6,232
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada


Everybody does it differently.
I know somebody who pays the set hourly rate from the time the model arrives till the agreed finish time. And if body painting is included, they are paid at the same rate from the moment they arrive at the body painters till they are done with the shoot. Did I mention that lunch breaks are not excluded.

Any wonder that models love to work with them?

And then a cheapskate like me comes along, and is then toooo embarrassed to discuss trade.
Dec 06 12 03:29 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Caustic Disco
Posts: 1,774
Maumee, Ohio, US


when you're scheduled to start (and you're not late, obviously)
Dec 06 12 03:32 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
g2-new photographics
Posts: 1,829
Boston, Massachusetts, US


If I'm paying (usually the case), it starts when the model steps onto the seamless, and ends when I'm out of ideas (unless the time was agreed on beforehand).
Dec 06 12 03:34 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Dan Howell
Posts: 1,802
Jersey City, New Jersey, US


HungryEye wrote:
I stipulate that I pay models for time on set, in front of the camera.
My stylists rarely take more that 45 min, if I am employing one. Models do not get paid for prep time, unless it is going long.

We do take short breaks in the shooting, and I do not subtract those from the "set time."

I have been shooting with this premise since 1982, and I have never had a model object.

You haven't been booking agency models then...

This would not fly w/ agency bookings. Many bookings sheets and model vouchers specify this.

Dec 06 12 03:35 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
BADesign-Photography
Posts: 1
Fairfax, Virginia, US


I think the most important thing is to set the expectation beforehand. That way there are no surprises for either of you.

As far as whether you should, it depends on what you require before a shoot. I prefer a more natural look, so I ask that they come with simple makeup and hair. If you're looking for something extensive requiring hours of prep, I don't think it would be unreasonable for a model to expect payment.
Dec 06 12 03:49 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Matty272
Posts: 216
Dunfermline, Scotland, United Kingdom


I can't imagine being an employer and not paying the person for any time I specify for them to be there.

I would surely not work for someone who wants me to be at their property/place-of-business/other-location but not pay me except for the time I'm actually directly with them, and I wonder at that expectation.

Just my opinion, though. Set your own expectations
Dec 07 12 08:52 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
EdwardKristopher
Posts: 2,495
Tempe, Arizona, US


From the time they are ready to start, should they not arrive ready.
Dec 07 12 09:03 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Tiffiney C
Posts: 385
Los Angeles, California, US


Orca Bay Images wrote:

I've had shoots (granted they were TF, not paid$) in which hair and makeup took nearly two hours. If the clock doesn't start until she's ready to shoot on a paid shoot, that's a lot of time she's giving away.

If the model shows up pretty much ready to shoot, then the clock starts when she's completely ready to shoot. If I dick around talking, that's on me. (The concepts and looks have been discussed prior to the shoot.) If she arrives early, that's on her.

If the model has to be prepped as part of the shoot, then the clock starts when she hits the prep chair.

Yup

Dec 07 12 09:08 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
D-Light
Posts: 298
Newcastle, Limerick, Ireland


Clock starts when the llama starts to work, that includes doing make up, hair, clothes, etc. If I have to spend time discussing aspects of the shoot or props, that's work for the llama and gets included in her time.

If there's a delay, caused by anyone other than the llama, that time is included in her pay also.
Dec 07 12 10:04 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Leighthenubian
Posts: 1,984
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


The clock starts when prep begins and ends when I say "that's a wrap". 

I expect models to be late...if one arrives on time I would probably faint. Starting the clock before prepping begins is a recipe for disappointment.
Dec 07 12 10:35 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Ed Woodson Photography
Posts: 2,283
Savannah, Georgia, US


Mickle Design Werks wrote:
It starts at the time you agree that it starts.

...............


Since you are paying you can decide when you would like the "clock: to start and if they accept that then that settles it. I would just implore you to settle this matter BEFORE the shoot so everyone is on the same page.

This  ^^^^^^^

Dec 07 12 10:42 am  Link  Quote 
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