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Jordan L Duncan
Posts: 207
Jacksonville, Florida, US


This has happened to me three times in the last nine years and I'm just wondering if this is a common thing or not. A couple of other models I know have said its happened to them as well so I'm just curious about what this phenomenon is all about.

Sorry this is so long but I am wondering if there is some kind of connection.

Basically I shot with three different photographers and each shoot went fine. Twice I was being paid and once was TF. Before the shoots I checked their references which were very good. Checked their websites. I talked to them a lot beforehand, and we had agreed on an amount of images I would receive after editing etc. A few days after the shoot, the photographers completely disappeared from planet earth. Or at least the Internet. MM and omp profiles gone. Websites taken down completely. No Facebook, Twitter, nothing!

The first time it happened the guy I shot with (who paid me) disappeared literally the next day. I had gone to his MM to say I had appreciated his time and I was interested in working with him and it was gone. He had traveled from out of town so I wondered if maybe he'd been in an accident on the way home so I called and left an email and never got a response. Then about a month later I got a package in the mail with my cd. No letter enclosed or anything. None of the images had been edited and there were only 5 photos where we had previously agreed on 20. I thought of sending a letter back asking about what had happened, but I figured that if he hadn't responded to my calls  or emails then he would not respond to a letter.

The next time was TF. The shoot was amazing. I worked with another model on this shoot. The photographer asked me to pick out 20 images I loved and he would edit them all and send me both the full size and web size image through email within 3 weeks. Of course I felt this was extremely generous since I knew it would take a long time to edit all those photos, but he insisted so I picked 20. He sent me one web sized picture. The same with the other model. He sent her just one. Then a few days later he was off the map exactly like the other photographer. I never heard from him again, but I did a search recently and his MM is back up. Not sure what happened because nothing about a hiatus is mentioned in his port. Haven't bothered to contact him because I have a feeling he'd ignore me anyway.

The third time was fairly recent and I was paid. The photographer was great, very friendly and nice. We agreed that he would simply send me the pictures he liked the best from our shoot within a couple of weeks. He said he was very discerning and that more than likely it would be only one or two shots. I had no problem whatsoever with that. I never heard from him again. He said he was in high demand at the time so I assumed he had just forgotten about me or something so three weeks later I sent him a very nice, not confrontational message that said something along the lines of, "How are you? Hope you are well. Did you have a chance to edit those photos or is the wedding industry killing you right now?" The next day I saw the message had been read. I decided I'd give him time to respond before sending another to avoid sounding like a stalker. The next day I thought I'd check his port to see if maybe he'd posted an image or two from the shoot but had forgotten to send me the file. Sure enough it was gone along with his website and everything else. I called him to find out if he was okay and left a voicemail in which I did not mention the pictures. At that point I wondered if maybe something bad had happened and was genuinely concerned since he seemed super nice. No response.


Does this happen often or am I cursed or what?
Dec 06 12 07:14 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ontherocks
Posts: 22,338
Salem, Oregon, US


some guys get kicked off mayhem for violating the rules (especially recruiting for porn). and then maybe they eventually reappear under a new profile. there have been people kicked off zivity as well. so maybe they did something bad. or maybe their SO got mad at them.

photography can be kind of manic/depressive. sometimes you feel really good about your work and other times you want to throw in the towel. also, sometimes people have to sell their gear to eat.

it is interesting that this has happened to you three times. remind me not to shoot with you!
Dec 06 12 07:17 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Marc Damon
Posts: 6,562
Biloxi, Mississippi, US


twoharts wrote:
some guys get kicked off mayhem for violating the rules (especially recruiting for porn). and then maybe they eventually reappear under a new profile. there have been people kicked off zivity as well. so maybe they did something bad. or maybe their SO got mad at them.

photography can be kind of manic/depressive. sometimes you feel really good about your work and other times you want to throw in the towel. also, sometimes people have to sell their gear to eat.

it is interesting that this has happened to you three times. remind me not to shoot with you!

Three times in 9 years? lol. She could be in my viewfinder anytime. I'll take the risk. smile

Dec 06 12 07:24 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
William Kious
Posts: 8,841
Delphos, Ohio, US


Welcome to the world of Internet modeling.
Dec 06 12 07:25 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
PhotographybyT
Posts: 7,617
Monterey, California, US


Just sounds like you coincidentally had a string of bad luck with photographers. I wouldn't worry too much about it...unless, the same thing happens with the next photographer you shoot with. tongue
Dec 06 12 07:33 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Kev Lawson
Posts: 7,203
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


I knew I forgot something, but forgetting to answer the phone, email and editing pictures all at the same time? I am getting old!! lol

Seriously though... 3 times... that is hard to take I am sure. I have been on MM since the beginning and have seen my share of people come and go, but usually there is still contact via other means.

I hear the stories of models who cannot contact a photographer after a shoot, never receive the images etc... but this is a first for such a streak of bad luck. And you say you checked references and all. I am at a loss.

I guess all any of us can say, is hopefully it gets better for you from now on.
Dec 06 12 07:33 pm  Link  Quote 
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ontherocks
Posts: 22,338
Salem, Oregon, US


there used to be a show called northern exposure where the character maggie had a little shrine for all of her boyfriends who had died in strange ways.

PhotographybyT wrote:
Just sounds like you coincidentally had a string of bad luck with photographers. I wouldn't worry too much about it...unless, the same thing happens with the next photographer you shoot with. tongue

Dec 06 12 07:38 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Jordan L Duncan
Posts: 207
Jacksonville, Florida, US


Marc Damon wrote:
Three times in 9 years? lol. She could be in my viewfinder anytime. I'll take the risk. smile

So sweet! Thank you!

Dec 06 12 07:42 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Jordan L Duncan
Posts: 207
Jacksonville, Florida, US


UltimateAppeal wrote:
I knew I forgot something, but forgetting to answer the phone, email and editing pictures all at the same time? I am getting old!! lol

I know right? lol The oldest photographer was like, 43. A little young to be so forgetful. But I try to give people the benefit of the doubt.

Maybe instead of checking 3 references I should check 5?

Dec 06 12 07:44 pm  Link  Quote 
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Top Gun Digital
Posts: 1,229
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


If it's happened three times in nine years I would not really call it common.  You need to realize that the majority of photographers on MM are not professional.  If a photographers suddenly disappears it's not really unusual.  For some people it's just a passing phase in their life.  They do it for a short time and then they stop.

If I check the MM profiles of a lot of models that I worked with in the last couple of years many of the profiles have had no activity for an extended period of time and other profiles have disappeared completely.

You also need to keep in mind that just because the photographer seems nice and the shoot seems to go well it does not mean the resulting images were any good.  The photographer could have done something wrong that ruined the images and has stopped contact with you due to embarrassment.
Dec 06 12 07:44 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Jordan L Duncan
Posts: 207
Jacksonville, Florida, US


Top Gun Digital wrote:
If it's happened three times in nine years I would not really call it common.  You need to realize that the majority of photographers on MM are not professional.  If a photographers suddenly disappears it's not really unusual.  For some people it's just a passing phase in their life.  They do it for a short time and then they stop.

If I check the MM profiles of a lot of models that I worked with in the last couple of years many of the profiles have had no activity for an extended period of time and other profiles have disappeared completely.

I can definitely understand that. It just seems rude to not tell the last person you worked with those types of things. Especially if they call and are worried. It would have been nice to hear that they were at least alive and kicking but no longer interested in photography. I was paid for two of them so it wouldn't have bothered me too much if they weren't willing to edit the images after all, but I worked TF with the one guy and spent a lot of time preparing for that shoot. One web sized image as compensation for my time does not quite seem fair to me since that was not what we had previously agreed upon.

Plus it happened within mere days or weeks of shooting with me. That is what seems the strangest.

Dec 06 12 07:53 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Jordan L Duncan
Posts: 207
Jacksonville, Florida, US


Top Gun Digital wrote:
You also need to keep in mind that just because the photographer seems nice and the shoot seems to go well it does not mean the resulting images were any good.  The photographer could have done something wrong that ruined the images and has stopped contact with you due to embarrassment.

I never considered that. I suppose its possible. Although I would hope that I seem like a nice enough person who would be able to understand when mistakes are made and that they could tell me that. I dunno. Still isn't very professional though. To leave someone hanging.

Dec 06 12 07:55 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Top Gun Digital
Posts: 1,229
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Jordan L Duncan wrote:

I never considered that. I suppose its possible. Although I would hope that I seem like a nice enough person who would be able to understand when mistakes are made and that they could tell me that. I dunno. Still isn't very professional though. To leave someone hanging.

These photographers may just be trying to protect their reputation.  If they screwed up big time it's easier to not admit to it and just ignore you.  If they tell you nothing you can only speculate.  If they tell you they screwed up there is always the chance you will tell others.

Dec 06 12 08:01 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
PhotographybyT
Posts: 7,617
Monterey, California, US


twoharts wrote:
there used to be a show called northern exposure where the character maggie had a little shrine for all of her boyfriends who had died in strange ways.

Oh yeah, I know of the show but really didn't watch it.

I do, however, remember Janine Turner as being the "Buf Puf" girl and thought she was soooo gorgeous.

/threadjack!

Dec 06 12 08:11 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Jordan L Duncan
Posts: 207
Jacksonville, Florida, US


Top Gun Digital wrote:

These photographers may just be trying to protect their reputation.  If they screwed up big time it's easier to not admit to it and just ignore you.  If they tell you nothing you can only speculate.  If they tell you they screwed up there is always the chance you will tell others.

Oh wow. That's true too. See, this is why its good to ask for other people's perspectives on things!

Dec 06 12 08:15 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Abbitt Photography
Posts: 11,446
Oakland Acres, Iowa, US


I'd say you are lucky.  About half the models I book shoots with fall off the face of the earth.
Dec 06 12 08:16 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Jordan L Duncan
Posts: 207
Jacksonville, Florida, US


PhotographybyT wrote:

Oh yeah, I know of the show but really didn't watch it.

I do, however, remember Janine Turner as being the "Buf Puf" girl and thought she was soooo gorgeous.

/threadjack!

Now I want to watch this show. It sounds a little Twin Peaks-y. Still have nightmares from watching that show but I loved it.

Dec 06 12 08:17 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Jordan L Duncan
Posts: 207
Jacksonville, Florida, US


Abbitt Photography wrote:
I'd say you are lucky.  About half the models I book shoots with fall off the face of the earth.

Oh no! Well at least its not one sided?

Dec 06 12 08:17 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Designit - Edward Olson
Posts: 1,631
Eureka, California, US


PhotographybyT wrote:
Oh yeah, I know of the show but really didn't watch it.

I do, however, remember Janine Turner as being the "Buf Puf" girl and thought she was soooo gorgeous.

/threadjack!
Jordan L Duncan wrote:
Now I want to watch this show. It sounds a little Twin Peaks-y. Still have nightmares from watching that show but I loved it.

Northern Exposure is completely unlike Twin Peaks. [Edit: Okay, maybe it's like Twin Peaks without the killing and mayhem.]

Only watch the first two seasons of Northern Exposure, though. It jumped the shark soon after.

Dec 06 12 08:24 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
PhotographybyT
Posts: 7,617
Monterey, California, US


Jordan L Duncan wrote:

Now I want to watch this show. It sounds a little Twin Peaks-y. Still have nightmares from watching that show but I loved it.

I didn't watch Twin Peaks either, but I totally love Sherilyn Fenn! (LOL... I guess there's a theme with my posts here.) tongue

Dec 06 12 08:36 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
GeM Photographic
Posts: 2,365
Chicago, Illinois, US


Designit - Edward Olson wrote:

PhotographybyT wrote:
Oh yeah, I know of the show but really didn't watch it.

I do, however, remember Janine Turner as being the "Buf Puf" girl and thought she was soooo gorgeous.

/threadjack!

Northern Exposure is completely unlike Twin Peaks. [Edit: Okay, maybe it's like Twin Peaks without the killing and mayhem.]

Only watch the first two seasons of Northern Exposure, though. It jumped the shark soon after.

I liked the series up until Rob Morrow left - the chemistry between him and Janine Turner was one of the things I loved about the show. The first two seasons were the best - that I agree.

As far as the original topic, people disappear. Perhaps the photographer's wife found out and disapproved? I've sent the contact sheet PDF to models and never heard a reply (group shoot events).

Dec 07 12 04:48 pm  Link  Quote 
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