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Michael Bots
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Duchess of Cambridge: hospital nurse who took hoax call 'found dead in suspected suicide'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ … icide.html

THE hospital worker who took a prank call from two Australian DJs asking about the pregnant Duchess of Cambridge has been found dead this morning
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne … z2ENSQGNOU

British nurse Jacintha Saldanha found dead in suspected suicide two days after she was tricked into revealing condition information about pregnant Kate Middleton to Australian shock jocks
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainmen … -1.1215432

"Saldanha's lifeless body was found the same week she accidentally put prank callers Mel Greig and Michael Christian through to another nurse, who divulged private information about the Duchess of Cambridge. The prank call to the King Edward VII’s Hospital employee infuriated Buckingham Palace and led to taunting tweets from DJs that brag about the trick."



- edited transcript of hoax call made by radio station
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ … -call.html
Dec 07 12 08:00 am  Link  Quote 
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Tim Little Photography
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Wilmington, Delaware, US


"In a statement afterwards, 2Day FM said that it "sincerely apologises for any inconvenience caused by the inquiry".

"It added: "The radio segment was done with the best intentions..."

What a pathetic statement given the death of a good person. Some people cannot take ridicule. The radio jocks should be fired.
Dec 07 12 08:07 am  Link  Quote 
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Bunny 007
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Cheltenham, England, United Kingdom


Sad, but hardly a kill yourself matter.  She must have had other issues if it was indeed suicide.
Dec 07 12 08:12 am  Link  Quote 
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William Kious
Posts: 8,841
Delphos, Ohio, US


I'm not sure I completely understand why she would kill herself over this. Is embarrassment a reason for suicide? It's not like her job was in danger (as I understand it, England's HIPAA-esque laws are similar to ours, yet they make allowances for family members.)
Dec 07 12 08:18 am  Link  Quote 
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Lohkee
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Maricopa, Arizona, US


Tim Little Photography wrote:
"In a statement afterwards, 2Day FM said that it "sincerely apologises for any inconvenience caused by the inquiry".

"It added: "The radio segment was done with the best intentions..."

What a pathetic statement given the death of a good person. Some people cannot take ridicule. The radio jocks should be fired.

Impersonating the Royals to fraudulently obtain medical information on other Royals? I suspect before this is over that they will have a lot more to worry about than being fired.

Dec 07 12 08:20 am  Link  Quote 
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Cait Chan
Posts: 6,272
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US


Lohkee wrote:

Impersonating the Royals to fraudulently obtain medical information on other Royals? I suspect before this is over that they will have a lot more to worry about than being fired.

Yea... Instead of worrying about good PR, they should be getting ready for a criminal investigation.

If they were smart they wouldn't speak on the matter at all. I'm sure anything they say or do surrounding this can be used.

Dec 07 12 08:29 am  Link  Quote 
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Cait Chan
Posts: 6,272
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US


Bunny 007 wrote:
Sad, but hardly a kill yourself matter.  She must have had other issues if it was indeed suicide.

She probably thought her life and career were over. She unwittingly gave out confidential information about the royals and on top of it probably feared a hell of a backlash from the public.
I'm sure even working with the royals the employees of the hospital were briefed in confidentiality and I'm sure even had to sign agreements.  Also, think of the embarrassment among her peers and the public. I'm sure it'd be devastating.

This wasnt such a simple prank.

Dec 07 12 08:34 am  Link  Quote 
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Compass Rose Studios
Posts: 15,979
Portland, Oregon, US


Lohkee wrote:

Impersonating the Royals to fraudulently obtain medical information on other Royals? I suspect before this is over that they will have a lot more to worry about than being fired.

But we're they just trying a prank call to get to speak with Kate and got that info by accident...or were they trying to get whatever info they could pump from the nurse? 

I didn't hear their call, so I can't say.  But context matters.

Dec 07 12 08:36 am  Link  Quote 
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Cait Chan
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Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US


Compass Rose Studios wrote:

But we're they just trying a prank call to get to speak with Kate and got that info by accident...or were they trying to get whatever info they could pump from the nurse? 

I didn't hear their call, so I can't say.  But context matters.

When is impersonation criminal?

They didn't call a 711 pretending to be the Queen. They called the hospital she was being treated in where family is most likely regularly calling and/or checking in and in a hospital that was most likely coached in dealing with the press/keeping privacy.

Dec 07 12 08:38 am  Link  Quote 
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Lohkee
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Maricopa, Arizona, US


Compass Rose Studios wrote:

But we're they just trying a prank call to get to speak with Kate and got that info by accident...or were they trying to get whatever info they could pump from the nurse? 

I didn't hear their call, so I can't say.  But context matters.

I'm no so sure it does (in this case). Impersonating the Royals probably has some consequences.

Dec 07 12 08:39 am  Link  Quote 
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Cait Chan
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Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US


Lohkee wrote:

I'm no so sure it does (in this case). Impersonating the Royals probably has some consequences.

I'm sure at the very least they could have a civil suit on their hands...

Dec 07 12 08:40 am  Link  Quote 
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Kawika Photography
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San Diego, California, US


She wasn't the one who divulged the information. She was the receptionist who passed it on to another nurse. There's always more to it than initial reports. Maybe wait more than 15 minutes to get the whole story.
Dec 07 12 08:43 am  Link  Quote 
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Christopher Hartman
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Buena Park, California, US


Tim Little Photography wrote:
"In a statement afterwards, 2Day FM said that it "sincerely apologises for any inconvenience caused by the inquiry".

"It added: "The radio segment was done with the best intentions..."

What a pathetic statement given the death of a good person. Some people cannot take ridicule. The radio jocks should be fired.

No they shouldn't be.  It was a prank call.  The person who handled it couldn't handle it because people made it a big deal when it really wasn't all that big a deal.  Except, I suspect, the hospital (and maybe the Royals?) made her feel like shit about it.

Dec 07 12 08:43 am  Link  Quote 
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Compass Rose Studios
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Portland, Oregon, US


Cait Chan wrote:

When is impersonation criminal?

They didn't call a 711 pretending to be the Queen. They called the hospital she was being treated in where family is most likely regularly calling and/or checking in and in a hospital that was most likely coached in dealing with the press/keeping privacy.

What I'm trying to figure out is was it a prank that went off the rails in a way they didn't expect or did they have criminal intent to try and get personal information?

Dec 07 12 08:43 am  Link  Quote 
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Christopher Hartman
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Buena Park, California, US


Compass Rose Studios wrote:

What I'm trying to figure out is was it a prank that went off the rails in a way they didn't expect or did they have criminal intent to try and get personal information?

Read the transcript the OP linked to.  It was harmless and comical that she didn't think they were pranking her...unless...unless their spoof was right on with out the Queen and Prince Charles talks.

Dec 07 12 08:51 am  Link  Quote 
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Lohkee
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Maricopa, Arizona, US


Even if you put the best spin possible on this (we were just trying to get hold of her to let her know that our listeners send their best wishes for a speedy recovery), the woman was in the hospital with acute morning sickness IIRC. I doubt she was feeling her best. She was probably medicated and trying to rest.

It was an incredibly dumb stunt no matter how it's spun.

Just my opinion.
Dec 07 12 08:53 am  Link  Quote 
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Compass Rose Studios
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Portland, Oregon, US


Lohkee wrote:
Impersonating the Royals probably has some consequences.

And if (big IF) the DJ's are only facing serious consequences because it was 'the royals' that's kinda bullshit imo. 

And if (big IF) it was the displeasure of the royals at this breach of security that pressured the poor lady to kill herself...that's kinda bullshit too.  Especially if that were a wedge to heap blame upon the DJ's (which is why their intent is important). 

The entire concept of royalty to me is somewhat analogous to other offensive forms of bigotry like racism.

Dec 07 12 08:54 am  Link  Quote 
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Compass Rose Studios
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Portland, Oregon, US


Christopher Hartman wrote:

Read the transcript the OP linked to.  It was harmless and comical that she didn't think they were pranking her...unless...unless their spoof was right on with out the Queen and Prince Charles talks.

Read it.  Agree.  That's pretty common territory for DJ's.  And it was funny.  Especially when the queen tell Charles to walk the dogs.

Dec 07 12 08:57 am  Link  Quote 
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DOUGLASFOTOS
Posts: 8,173
Los Angeles, California, US


Michael Bots wrote:
Tragedy


Duchess of Cambridge: hospital nurse who took hoax call 'found dead in suspected suicide'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ … icide.html

THE hospital worker who took a prank call from two Australian DJs asking about the pregnant Duchess of Cambridge has been found dead this morning
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne … z2ENSQGNOU



- edited transcript of hoax call made by radio station
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ … -call.html

When I read the Yahoo story...It just said the Nurse was found dead...How did she die? Natural Causes..or Suicide? IT does not say....

Dec 07 12 08:57 am  Link  Quote 
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Compass Rose Studios
Posts: 15,979
Portland, Oregon, US


DOUGLASFOTOS wrote:

When I read the Yahoo story...It just said the Nurse was found dead...How did she die? Natural Causes..or Suicide? IT does not say....

It appears to be suicide but they're investigating.

Dec 07 12 08:58 am  Link  Quote 
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Lohkee
Posts: 12,166
Maricopa, Arizona, US


Christopher Hartman wrote:

Read the transcript the OP linked to.  It was harmless and comical that she didn't think they were pranking her...unless...unless their spoof was right on with out the Queen and Prince Charles talks.

It has also been edited by the station before release. Bet the stuff they redacted was not so harmless, or why redact it?

Dec 07 12 08:59 am  Link  Quote 
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Eros Fine Art Photo
Posts: 2,570
Torrance, California, US


Am I the only one who thinks it would be kind of funny if the Queen, the nurse and the media were pranking the DJ's? 

Of course, the impact the could potentialy have on the nurse's family and friends who weren't in on the joke could be just as bad. 

Pranks are great, but it really sucks when they go wrong.

Curse you Allen Funt!!
Dec 07 12 09:22 am  Link  Quote 
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Lohkee
Posts: 12,166
Maricopa, Arizona, US


Eros Fine Art Photo wrote:
Pranks are great, but it really sucks when they go wrong.

Curse you Allen Funt!!

Pranks can be a riot, but IMHO some places should be strictly off-limits. Hospitals are at the top of that list along with other emergency services.

Dec 07 12 09:51 am  Link  Quote 
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GK photo
Posts: 27,585
Laguna Beach, California, US


Kawika Photography wrote:
She wasn't the one who divulged the information. She was the receptionist who passed it on to another nurse. There's always more to it than initial reports. Maybe wait more than 15 minutes to get the whole story.

exactly. there is no news anymore. it's a constant tossing of spaghetti on the wall.

and get over yourselves, all those who are ready to toss these numbskull djs to the dogs. captain janks wouldn't even be impressed by that call.

Dec 07 12 10:01 am  Link  Quote 
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DougBPhoto
Posts: 37,852
Portland, Oregon, US


Compass Rose Studios wrote:

Read it.  Agree.  That's pretty common territory for DJ's.  And it was funny.  Especially when the queen tell Charles to walk the dogs.

As a funny skit, they could have called a 'fake' hospital and spoken with a 'fake' hospital employee, but to speak to the actual hospital and allow the call to go that far while pretending to be Q & PC shows a reckless disregard.

There are a lot of things that seem to be funny YET they are totally wrong at the same time.

If it is true about the nurse, that is terrible, as she sounded very nice.

Quite unfortunate, the radio station's weak-assed apology was inadequate previously, and now if someone has taken their own life over the matter, they should be held to task.

Dec 07 12 10:12 am  Link  Quote 
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GK photo
Posts: 27,585
Laguna Beach, California, US


DougBPhoto wrote:
Quite unfortunate, the radio station's weak-assed apology was inadequate previously, and now if someone has taken their own life over the matter, they should be held to task.

really? how so? and that's assuming that the poor girl's suicide had ANYTHING to do with the call...which at this point, i highly doubt.

the station should not have apologized for anything. when they did, it opened up them up to all kinds of ridicule.

i haven't even heard the bit...i don't need to. i remember all the hits that cpt. janks (and others) did. or stuttering john's ridiculously funny celebrity interviews.

Dec 07 12 10:24 am  Link  Quote 
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Compass Rose Studios
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DougBPhoto wrote:
As a funny skit, they could have called a 'fake' hospital and spoken with a 'fake' hospital employee, but to speak to the actual hospital and allow the call to go that far while pretending to be Q & PC shows a reckless disregard.

If it was a fake hospital it wouldn't be a prank.   And you can tell by their response they were surprised by their own success.   They're DJ's they ad lib. 

Quite unfortunate, the radio station's weak-assed apology was inadequate previously, and now if someone has taken their own life over the matter, they should be held to task.

Held to task for what?  Like I said, I've heard nearly every morning radio duo I've ever listened to try some shit just like this at one point or another. 

And remember, this is just the nurse/receptionist who patched them through.  Not the nurse who gave them information.

Dec 07 12 10:25 am  Link  Quote 
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Christopher Hartman
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Compass Rose Studios wrote:

Read it.  Agree.  That's pretty common territory for DJ's.  And it was funny.  Especially when the queen tell Charles to walk the dogs.

When are you going to walk the bloody corgis?

Dec 07 12 10:29 am  Link  Quote 
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rp_photo
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Houston, Texas, US


I've never been a fan of radio shows that make outgoing crank calls. My favorite ATM is Phil Hendrie, who cranks and gets cranked by characters he voices or unsuspecting callers.
Dec 07 12 10:32 am  Link  Quote 
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Tuatara
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San Diego, California, US


I heard the actual call this morning from a talk show here in Cali.  They played the whole call, it was pretty funny.  They called to try to talk with Kate.  If you listen to the call it sounds like the DJs were surprised to have even gotten through.

They shouldn't be held accountable, they didn't do anything wrong.  They didn't call to get any medical info.
Dec 07 12 10:32 am  Link  Quote 
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Christopher Hartman
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Lohkee wrote:

It has also been edited by the station before release. Bet the stuff they redacted was not so harmless, or why redact it?

I think it was the personal information they received and are choosing to not republish it.  The stuff I noticed missing was stuff I had already heard about.

Dec 07 12 10:34 am  Link  Quote 
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GK photo
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Laguna Beach, California, US


rp_photo wrote:
I've never been a fan of radio shows that make outgoing crank calls. My favorite ATM is Phil Hendrie, who cranks and gets cranked by characters he voices or unsuspecting callers.

hendrie was a genius. he isn't on around here anymore. is he still on the radio anywhere?

oh hell, he still is on in la. just way too high up for me to look for on the am dial. smile

Dec 07 12 10:36 am  Link  Quote 
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Christopher Hartman
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rp_photo wrote:
I've never been a fan of radio shows that make outgoing crank calls. My favorite ATM is Phil Hendrie, who cranks and gets cranked by characters he voices or unsuspecting callers.

Phil Hendrie is outrageous! haven't heard him in a very long time.

Dec 07 12 10:37 am  Link  Quote 
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studio36uk
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Tavai, Sigave, Wallis and Futuna


Lohkee wrote:
Pranks can be a riot, but IMHO some places should be strictly off-limits. Hospitals are at the top of that list along with other emergency services.

By-the-by they likely could be charged [if they were in the UK] under the Malicious Communications Act 1988; the result of a false personation, under that Act, need only cause "distress or anxiety" to make it an offence [criminal]. They certainly also, by that false personation, induced others to breach the [UK] Data Protection Act.

Studio36

Dec 07 12 11:24 am  Link  Quote 
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Lohkee
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studio36uk wrote:

By-the-by they likely could be charged [if they were in the UK] under the Malicious Communications Act 1988; the result of a false personation, under that Act, need only cause "distress or anxiety" to make it an offence [criminal]. They certainly also, by that false personation, induced others to breach the [UK] Data Protection Act.

Studio36

Could they be indicted in the U.K. and then extradited (AU is still part of the commonwealth??)?

Dec 07 12 11:31 am  Link  Quote 
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studio36uk
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Lohkee wrote:
Could they be indicted in the U.K. and then extradited (AU is still part of the commonwealth??)?

No, but they might have a devil of a time trying to come here if they chose to do so for business or personal reasons. You can bet they're on someone's list... not just Father Christmas'.

The offence I suggested is only a summary offence, not an either / or one that could go to the Crown Courts, and it would only be heard in a magistrate's court - max penalty 6 months and / or a fine.

On the other hand, there just might be, at a stretch, a civil case there as to the family of the deceased. There is certainly an argument about causality, but also a counter argument, and a defence, on the issue of forseeability and intent. Too close to call at the moment but that could change after the Coroner has a go at the cause of death. The Coroner can not assign fault or blame but they could opine on factors proximate to the death [suicide] and the state of mind of the deceased.

Studio36

Dec 07 12 11:47 am  Link  Quote 
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GK photo
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studio36uk wrote:
On the other hand, there just might be, at a stretch, a civil case there as to the family of the deceased. There is certainly an argument about causality, but also a counter argument, and a defence, on the issue of forseeability and intent. Too close to call.

Studio36

wow, the supposition in this thread is world class.

8 to 5 her death had nothing to do with this prank. the poor girl's family must be pleased to have this international news now.

Dec 07 12 12:04 pm  Link  Quote 
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studio36uk
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GK photo wrote:
wow, the supposition in this thread is world class.

8 to 5 her death had nothing to do with this prank. the poor girl's family must be pleased to have this international news now.

I calls it like I sees it. Being in the US you, above all people, should be familiar with the concept that you can sue anyone, at any time, for any thing.

What we have here is a criminal act under UK law connected with, and coupled to, a subsequent death in the UK [by whatever means that occurred]. What transpired between the two events, and their proximal relationship, are issues of fact better left to a jury. Just like in America.

Studio36

Dec 07 12 12:08 pm  Link  Quote 
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GK photo
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Laguna Beach, California, US


studio36uk wrote:

I calls it like I sees it. Being in the US you, above all people, should be familiar with the concept that you can sue anyone, at any time, for any thing.

Studio36

sad, but true.

Dec 07 12 12:10 pm  Link  Quote 
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Lohkee
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Maricopa, Arizona, US


Well, looks like the station is getting ready to throw them under the bus -

Its two DJs, Mel Greig and Michael Christian, continued to tweet about the call on Thursday and earlier Friday, promising "more on the #royalprank."

By Friday evening, a spokeswoman for the station told CNN in a statement that the pair will "not return to the show until further notice out of respect for what can only be described as a tragedy." She said Greig and Christian were "deeply shocked" by the incident.

The Twitter accounts for the pair were taken down.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/07/world/eur … ?hpt=hp_t1
Dec 07 12 12:12 pm  Link  Quote 
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