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Photographer
SH PhotographyAndDesign
Posts: 170
Chester, Virginia, US


I have a question,

If you get a request to travel to another state or even just a different city in the same state for a shoot and it's required that all expenses are to be paid by the person requesting you, are they to pay for an additional person if you require an escort to come along?
Dec 10 12 11:23 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ME_
Posts: 3,131
Atlanta, Georgia, US


SH PhotographyAndDesign wrote:
I have a question,

If you get a request to travel to another state or even just a different city in the same state for a shoot and it's required that all expenses are to be paid by the person requesting you, are they to pay for an additional person if you require an llama herder to come along?

There's no law that says such a thing. People can ask for whatever they want though and there's probably someone somewhere who will just roll over and say yes.

Dec 10 12 11:29 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
B R U N E S C I
Posts: 25,319
Bath, England, United Kingdom


Escort?

NEXT!!! big_smile





Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano
www.stefanobrunesci.com
Dec 10 12 11:33 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
SH PhotographyAndDesign
Posts: 170
Chester, Virginia, US


Oh ok. Just wondering because I've seen people that say they will travel if all expenses are paid and some that require an escort to be with them.
Dec 10 12 11:37 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Christie Gabriel
Posts: 2,799
Chicago, Illinois, US


SH PhotographyAndDesign wrote:
Oh ok. Just wondering because I've seen people that say they will travel if all expenses are paid and some that require an escort to be with them.

If you are still considering working with a model after you find out she demands you allow an escort, then she should consider herself lucky enough and never expect you to pay for the escort too. I say avoid all that noise and just hire true professionals.

Dec 10 12 11:41 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
B R U N E S C I
Posts: 25,319
Bath, England, United Kingdom


Christie Gabriel wrote:
I say avoid all that noise and just hire true professionals.

+1000







Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

Dec 10 12 11:41 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Abbitt Photography
Posts: 11,336
Oakland Acres, Iowa, US


People can negotiate whatever they wish.  I think much depends on who is trying to get who to travel.

If I put out a casitng call for local models, but a model from further afield is interested, I certainly don't feel it's my obligation to pay her more than I'd pay those who live close by.

On the other hand, if I'm approaching a model and asking her to travel to me, then it's more likely I'll offer to cover her expenses.   I live in the boonies. When doing TF, I often offer to pay for a model's travel from the nearest big city.  If I didn't what incentive to they have to come travel to shoot with me instead of shoot with photographers closer to home?
Dec 10 12 11:43 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Nature Coast Lightworks
Posts: 1,855
Yeehaw Junction, Florida, US


Yes, THEY should to pay the travel expenses of the additional person being that escorts are not actually apart of nor contribute to a successful photo shoot.

jf
Dec 10 12 11:44 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
M Pandolfo Photography
Posts: 12,113
Tampa, Florida, US


SH PhotographyAndDesign wrote:
I have a question,

If you get a request to travel to another state or even just a different city in the same state for a shoot and it's required that all expenses are to be paid by the person requesting you, are they to pay for an additional person if you require an escort to come along?

Uh NO. Is that succinct enough.

That said, anybody can ask for anything, regardless of how absurd. And if someone would be foolish enough to accommodate that request, I guess it's a match made in heaven (or further south).

Dec 10 12 11:47 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Cherrystone
Posts: 35,964
Columbus, Ohio, US


SH PhotographyAndDesign wrote:
I have a question,

If you get a request to travel to another state or even just a different city in the same state for a shoot and it's required that all expenses are to be paid by the person requesting you, are they to pay for an additional person if you require an escort to come along?

Oh HELL to the no.

Btw, the "required" BS.....ahh, nvm.

Dec 10 12 11:49 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
SH PhotographyAndDesign
Posts: 170
Chester, Virginia, US


Abbitt Photography wrote:
People can negotiate whatever they wish.  I think much depends on who is trying to get who to travel.

If I put out a casitng call for local models, but a model from further afield is interested, I certainly don't feel it's my obligation to pay her more than I'd pay those who live close by.

On the other hand, if I'm approaching a model and asking her to travel to me, then it's more likely I'll offer to cover her expenses.   I live in the boonies. When doing TF, I often offer to pay for a model's travel from the nearest big city.  If I didn't what incentive to they have to come travel to shoot with me instead of shoot with photographers closer to home?

I agree with this

Dec 10 12 11:50 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
SH PhotographyAndDesign
Posts: 170
Chester, Virginia, US


Thanks for the input guys. Just a general question. I've seen people that say if their llama herder can't come then don't bother working with them. But as some of you say, people can request anything
Dec 10 12 11:58 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Looknsee Photography
Posts: 20,820
Portland, Oregon, US


I would handle it this way.  Negotiate a travel budget up front.  Pay it, either before hand (if you trust the traveler) or upon arrival (if the traveler is new-to-you).  Let the traveler decide how to spend the money; I don't need to know.

Separately negotiate whether an escort is permitted during the session.  A compromise might be that the escort can show up at the door & can look around, then the escort can make themselves scarce for the session, returning at a set time.
Dec 10 12 12:27 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Cherrystone
Posts: 35,964
Columbus, Ohio, US


SH PhotographyAndDesign wrote:
Thanks for the input guys. Just a general question. I've seen people that say if their escort can't come then don't bother working with them. But as some of you say, people can request anything

A quick look says there are 5,177 models in the state of Virginia. I'm sure you can find plenty who will play either way....escort or no escort.

Figure out your own policy and go from there.

Dec 10 12 12:34 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Laura UnBound
Posts: 26,984
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


I require my dog come with me everywhere I go. Fido needs to go to the groomer before I put him in the car, you'll pay his bills won't you? We use the really expensive frooofroo groomer, that's 200 dollars for a bath.






If they're someone that, for some strange reason, you just HAVE to work with, do what you gotta do I guess. Personally, no I would never do that, that's ridiculous.
Dec 10 12 12:54 pm  Link  Quote 
Artist/Painter
Two Pears Studio
Posts: 3,313
Wilmington, Delaware, US


While I agree wholeheartedly with my esteemed colleagues that escorts are not a payable expectation... if I had the chance and the money to paint some of the people on my bucket list... I'd pay what ever it took.
Dec 10 12 01:11 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Jordan Bunniie
Posts: 1,617
Los Angeles, California, US


Christie Gabriel wrote:

If you are still considering working with a model after you find out she demands you allow an escort, then she should consider herself lucky enough and never expect you to pay for the escort too. I say avoid all that noise and just hire true professionals.

This.

Dec 10 12 01:20 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Lynn Elizabeth
Posts: 1,336
Coral Springs, Florida, US


No. Unless the person who has offered to pay for travel expenses approved the "escort". There are always others that can travel on their own without needing to hold someone's hand.
Dec 10 12 01:54 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
fullmetalphotographer
Posts: 2,671
Fresno, California, US


SH PhotographyAndDesign wrote:
I have a question,

If you get a request to travel to another state or even just a different city in the same state for a shoot and it's required that all expenses are to be paid by the person requesting you, are they to pay for an additional person if you require an escort to come along?

What I do is book the flight and a room for the model. I do this for a couple reasons. It is easier to control the cost, and I don't have to deal with inflated numbers. If the model is driving in then it is x amount is stated  before the shoot is stated to cover gas, if they need to a hotel I book the room. If they need an escort it comes out of the model's pocket for the expense of travel, lodging and food.

Dec 10 12 02:17 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Loki Studio
Posts: 2,876
Royal Oak, Michigan, US


When you are hired to work professionally as a model, no real company will also pay travel expenses for your llama herder/friend/bf/travel companion.  The only exceptions to this are celebrities/performers/musicians where the contract to hire them clearly specifies the travel requirements as part of their fees.
Dec 11 12 06:32 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
TomFRohwer
Posts: 575
Hamburg, Hamburg, Germany


Mostly the demand for an "escort" is inversely proportional to the attractiveness of the job offered to a model. If you offer air fare to Paris (France), a hotel room and an adequate payment and allow no escorts you will see that the demand for an "escort" will get virtually zero.

Unless you are dealing either with a bitch overestimating her/himself - or a real star...
Dec 13 12 03:41 am  Link  Quote 
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