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Photographer
ontherocks
Posts: 19,981
Salem, Oregon, US


Dear Vagabond Mini™ Lithium Customer,

It has come to our attention that some Vagabond Mini™ Lithium system owners may be using their systems beyond recommended standards. We want to remind you of the warnings and safety precautions for the system in order to promote safe usage, to ensure longevity of use, and to avoid damage that may void your warranty.

As with all devices that use lithium batteries, Vagabond Mini™ Lithium users must observe all warnings and safety precautions.

DO NOT operate, store, or charge the Vagabond Mini Lithium™ system in or around water, rain, ground moisture, salt spray, dew, or any other liquids. Exposure to water (especially salt water) increases the risk of a potential battery fire.

When moving the system from one environment to another where condensation can occur due to temperature changes, do not operate or charge the system until all condensation has fully evaporated.

If your Vagabond Mini™ Lithium system becomes immersed in water for any reason, DO NOT operate or charge. Discard the battery properly and return the Vagabond Mini™ Lithium inverter to Paul C. Buff, Inc.™ for evaluation.

DO NOT operate, store, or charge the Vagabond Mini™ Lithium system on or around flammable materials such as newspaper, carpet, wood sawdust, gasoline, etc.

Keep all components away from fire, flames, and heated surfaces.

DO NOT operate or charge a Vagabond Mini™ Lithium system if the battery gets uncomfortably hot to the touch. Unplug all cords and discontinue use immediately. An excessively hot battery may be damaged.

DO NOT operate or charge the Vagabond Mini™ Lithium system unattended.

Turn the system OFF and unplug the battery charger when not in use.

DO NOT operate or charge the Vagabond Mini™ Lithium system inside a carry bag or backpack.

Air circulation around the Vagabond Mini™ Lithium system and charger must be provided.

Do not obstruct the Vagabond Mini™ Lithium system’s internal fan during use or when charging.

If you suspect that any components have become wet or are in any way damaged, discontinue use immediately and contact Customer Support.

Refer to your owner’s manual for a complete set of warnings and safety precautions. Failure to follow the warnings and safety information for this product may void the warranty.

If you have any questions or concerns about safe operation of the system or charging of the battery, please contact our Customer Service Team by email at info@paulcbuff.com or by phone at 1-800-443-5542 (Monday through Friday, from 9:00am to 5:00 pm, CT).
Dec 11 12 09:19 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Ezhini
Posts: 1,457
Wichita, Kansas, US


HAHA. You beat me to it. Just was typing the thread.

I am guessing one of them burn one down!
Dec 11 12 09:21 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ontherocks
Posts: 19,981
Salem, Oregon, US


i've left mine charging at home while i went to the studio. i guess that's not such a good idea.

Ezhini wrote:
I am guessing one of them burn one down!

Dec 11 12 09:24 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
TheScarletLetterSeries
Posts: 3,364
Carmel, California, US


twoharts wrote:
Dear Vagabond Mini™ Lithium Customer, ....

DO NOT operate or charge the Vagabond Mini™ Lithium system unattended.
Turn the system OFF and unplug the battery charger when not in use.
....

Most is common sense.  But this part contradicts earlier statements from PCB when the Vagabond Mini Lithium battery was released.  They previously stated it was okay to leave the battery/charger plugged in....

Dec 11 12 09:27 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
AJScalzitti
Posts: 9,520
Atlanta, Georgia, US


Perhaps this is why its not UL approved?
Dec 11 12 09:28 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Neil Snape
Posts: 9,224
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


LiPo needs to be attended when charging.

Never charge lithium batteries and walk away not leave them charging.

You can get by with little devices like telephones but the bigger batteries are to be watched over. Once charge unplug them and store them as said above.

I know the high voltage LiPo we use for model airplanes are susceptible to burning up when they fail while charging.

Running past their ratings in use will weaken the limits of recharge safety.

Be cautious, and they will be fine.  Stay safe>
Dec 11 12 09:39 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ACPhotography
Posts: 8,107
Plainview, New York, US


Go search LiPo fire on youtube... Lithium batteries are very volatile...
Dec 11 12 10:00 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Caveman Creations
Posts: 487
Fort Worth, Texas, US


Yeah, I got this email as well. edit: [Scarlet letter] put it best............Common sense wins every time. But, in an effort to cover their "assets", it probably needed stateing.
Dec 11 12 01:15 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Thornwood Street Studio
Posts: 45
San Diego, California, US


http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/30350806

I've been guilty of using them near the ocean.  It may not be the smartest of things to be handling these on wet sand and barefooted.  Hey man, don't taze me!
Dec 11 12 01:30 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Joseph William
Posts: 1,597
Chicago, Illinois, US


I use mine near water all the time... I guess I will have to come up with another power strategy
Dec 11 12 01:46 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Mark Stout Photography
Posts: 327
Denver, Colorado, US


There have been reports of them bursting into flames.  Apparently there have now been more of them.  I read it and then began a 20 minute struggle to get one of my Einsteins to release the soft box so I could pack it up for the shoot I'm going to in an hour... the same one that has been sent in 3 times for repair because it was dropping the softboxes onto the set... and decided I need to switch to a different vendor.  I love the cybersync with the Einstein and vagabond mini, but SOMETHING in the gear fails on every shoot and I am either fixing it on the set or swapping out gear when I should be shooting.

Buff is innovative and has good customer service, but there is too little concern about quality.
Dec 11 12 01:47 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Intensity Studios
Posts: 99
Los Angeles, California, US


this is such a no brainer. The gist of the warning email was saying you should not take the battery pack into the ocean or dump coffee on it.

It's a sad time that we live in where they have tell you stuff like that. They are probably getting sued by some idiot who decided to take his battery pack out in the rain and got fried.

Reminds me of the movie Idiocracy
Dec 11 12 01:51 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Paul AI
Posts: 572
Shawnee, Oklahoma, US


Joseph William  wrote:
I use mine near water all the time... I guess I will have to come up with another power strategy

In one of his lighting books, Kevin Kubota recommends using Vagabonds when working near water, haha. 

I'm guessing Vagabonds were used for this, too

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3516/5714412933_e945aa94a9_o.jpg

Dec 11 12 02:16 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
AG_Boston
Posts: 232
Boston, Massachusetts, US


My Innovatronix XT has a sealed lead acid battery pack. It's also the heaviest damn thing in the world!

So...fire or broken back...?
Dec 11 12 08:45 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
AVD AlphaDuctions
Posts: 10,112
Gatineau, Quebec, Canada


Intensity Studios wrote:
this is such a no brainer. The gist of the warning email was saying you should not take the battery pack into the ocean or dump coffee on it.

It's a sad time that we live in where they have tell you stuff like that. They are probably getting sued by some idiot who decided to take his battery pack out in the rain and got fried.

Reminds me of the movie Idiocracy

perhaps you missed the rest of the e-mail? starting with the bit about having to baby-sit the pack every time you charge it?

Dec 12 12 03:07 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Toto Photo
Posts: 1,116
San Francisco, California, US


twoharts wrote:
DO NOT operate...Vagabond...around...salt spray,...increases the risk of...battery fire.

The word "around" is so vague, this could mean never use Vagabonds at the beach, which is the number one place I use battery systems.

Dec 12 12 03:18 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
beta
Posts: 1,945
Nashville, Tennessee, US


AVD AlphaDuctions wrote:

perhaps you missed the rest of the e-mail? starting with the bit about having to baby-sit the pack every time you charge it?

True,, but without this warning I had two on a charger on their own for long periods without me sitting with them. Much of this is covering for future suits, but a little of it looks like a prep for a possible recall....

Dec 12 12 03:19 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Robb Mann
Posts: 7,755
Baltimore, Maryland, US


The VBML most certainly does not comply with current Japanese safety standards for lithium cells.

Having said that, most of this is common sense.
Dec 13 12 04:10 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Matt Forma
Posts: 336
Denver, Colorado, US


I was soon to buy one.. Thanks for this

Does kind of suck that you have to be there while it charges, but it's not a huge problem. I don't leave candles burning when I leave home either.
Dec 13 12 11:09 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Good Egg Productions
Posts: 12,818
Orlando, Florida, US


Toto Photo wrote:

The word "around" is so vague, this could mean never use Vagabonds at the beach, which is the number one place I use battery systems.

It seems pretty pointless to have a battery system that you are not supposed to use at the beach.  Or around water. 

Look... this is a cover their ass statement.  It's so if the one in 100,000 units does decide to explode after 44days left unattended on the charger, PCB isn't held liable.  It's so the dummy who sets up his Einstein on a stand in 3' of sea water with a Mini hanging from it and a wave splashes into it and it blow up, they're not held liable.

Safety limits are established to be WELL within operating limits.

I know that if I drop my Alien Bee 1600 into a pool attached to a Vmini, I don't expect either of them to work ever again, and I absolutely don't expect PCB to replace or fix it for free.  However, I probably didn't kill anyone by this action, as I might have if the AB was just plugged into a non CFI outlet.

I got the email.  I read it.  I will not alter how I use or charge my Vminis.  I accidentally dropped an Einstein onto a concrete floor and some parts of it broke.  I ordered replacement parts, paid for them and the strobe endures.  PCB products are awesome, but they're not perfect and they're not indestructible.

Dec 13 12 11:23 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
S W I N S K E Y
Posts: 24,199
Saint Petersburg, Florida, US


do not taunt happy fun ball
Dec 13 12 11:44 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Craig Allen Studio
Posts: 4,306
Tacoma, Washington, US


AJScalzitti wrote:
Perhaps this is why its not UL approved?

Neither is the first generation battery pack he designed.

I'm not sure any of the buff equipment is UL approved....

So much for insurance coverage

Dec 13 12 06:29 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
AVD AlphaDuctions
Posts: 10,112
Gatineau, Quebec, Canada


I don't own a unit so I have no stake in this issue but I was thinking about it.  If I got a letter or e-mail like this I would immediately write back saying ever-so-politely
'so you are telling me that as a professional photographer who purchased your kit to shoot sunsets at beaches your product is not useful for this application?' and
"so I have to baby sit my unit while it charges?"
and
"so I put in hardwood floors in the studio at great expense. Now you tell me I cannot charge the vagabond on or near the floor?"
etc etc.

In fact I would probably go on MM and encourage everyone who has one to complain. This is just silliness and should not be tolerated.
Dec 13 12 08:24 pm  Link  Quote 
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