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BlueMoonPics
Posts: 4,327
New York, New York, US


Practically all my TF shoots are great.   I think I'm finding great models.
There were only a couple that didn't yield good images but they were all great experiences.
Dec 12 12 05:49 am  Link  Quote 
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RKD Photographic
Posts: 3,265
Iserlohn, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany


Most 'experienced' models around here won't work trade unless it's with a big name photographer as they would rather have the money, so I tend to shoot with relative newcomers.
I accept that with models with limited experience there may be problems - but that makes me work harder. Since I only shoot TFP with models for 'fun', it's no big deal.

I've only ever had one negative experience (other than when models just don't show-up) where the model and I didn't click and while the images were fine, the fact that we didn't get on meant I ended up not using them.
Dec 12 12 05:51 am  Link  Quote 
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DavidCoward Photography
Posts: 629
Sandy Springs, Georgia, US


I only do TF work. I'm a poor hobbyist and can't afford to pay models. Therefore, I generally work with models who are newer and need help updating their portfolios.

I do so with the understanding that the results may be less than perfect, but I also think it makes me try harder.

Most of my shoots have been awesome. Yes, we've made mistakes, but I look at every shoot as an opportunity to learn more and improve my skills.
Dec 12 12 06:17 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
SitronStudio
Posts: 1,058
Venice, Florida, US


All my portfolio work is TF. There isn't an agency within 3 hours of me, so most of my models are newcomers. I can't imagine using paid work in my port, as it's someone else's vision. Plus, most of my paid work has been boring catalog shoots and product photography that allows little creativity. In a TF shoot, I can be as creative as the model lets me.
Dec 12 12 06:30 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
D. Brian Nelson
Posts: 5,477
Rapid City, South Dakota, US


Everything in my portfolio and the vast majority of the published stuff listed under "Featured" has been the result of testing or TFP. Work for hire or commissioned made me a lot more money, but it wasn't fun or creative. It was work.

Don
Dec 12 12 06:34 am  Link  Quote 
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Alixx Rose
Posts: 225
Atlanta, Georgia, US


i'm getting my first tearsheets this weekend from a tfp! big_smile 
but I have had a couple of really bad ones, that those pictures aren't even going on my facebook...

tfp's usually allow me to be more creative and have "of the moment" ideas wihle paid shoots, I'm more doing what 'they' want.
Dec 12 12 06:51 am  Link  Quote 
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Andrew Thomas Evans
Posts: 24,078
Toulon, Provence-Alpes-Côte-d'Azur, France


London Fog wrote:
Share your experiences, good, bad, amazing, whatever! I'd really like to know just how successful these shoots are, especially when an MUA and studio time etc is involved?

Go...!

Not by me but this one was pretty successful.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0V-EroqaAg

Not safe for work.




Andrew Thomas Evans
www.andrewthomasevans.com

Dec 12 12 10:24 am  Link  Quote 
Model
lock and key
Posts: 1,415
Cockburn Town, Grand Turk, Turks and Caicos Islands


The worst shoot I've ever had was my only paid shoot. It wasn't a really bad experience or anything, I just didn't get into that creative, fun space that I normally get into during a shoot. I also never got the images back and never heard from the photographer again. It felt quite odd.

I have had some amazing TFP shoots with some really talented photographers. Only good things to say about TFP.
Dec 12 12 10:33 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
paragonfl
Posts: 288
Saint Petersburg, Florida, US


Laura UnBound wrote:
They're as successful as all the parties involved want them to be.

I've worked with dozens of other people who wanted it to work out as much as I did, and we made awesome stuff.

I can count on half a hand the number of TF shoots that sucked.

+1

Dec 12 12 10:44 am  Link  Quote 
Model
christiecreepydolls
Posts: 321
Los Angeles, California, US


As long as both parties follow through it is great. It is all I have done so far.
Dec 12 12 11:47 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Fernon
Posts: 1,544
Annapolis, Maryland, US


Ken Marcus Studios wrote:
Virtually every shoot I've done in the last 15 years has been for trade. I do at least 70-100 TF shoots per year.

I'm a firm believer in doing TF

Most models cannot afford my prices and I don't like having to pay for talent.

Works out really well in my experience

KM

yep

Dec 12 12 11:56 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Aly Catt
Posts: 402
Oneonta, New York, US


Im not very lucky when it comes to tf sad
the only images in my port that are from tf, are from ade ketchum. All of the rest, i got compensated and the photographers sent me a few of the best images.
Ive tried doing tf; i find a photographer whose portfolio i really like, they have great references, even my last tf the photographer pulled some items from a designer, yet it was still a bust.

Ive had about 75% of photographers i shoot tf with "harddrive crash and lost most of the images" ive had another 20% give me images that i wouldnt even put on facebook, much less in my portfolio. My last tf shoot i was photoshopped to the point of not being human.

Next month during my east coast tour my goal is to book one tf per city; i hope itll be worth it!
Dec 12 12 05:56 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Bilsen Galleries
Posts: 386
CORTLANDT MANOR, New York, US


JLC Images wrote:
I'm not sure what your definition of successful is.  This is a hobby for me and I only do TFP.  I have shot a lot of models and have acquired a ton of great images, good friends and some great stories.  For me they have been incredibly successful.

This on every point.  Dead on,

Dec 12 12 07:36 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
GNapp Studios
Posts: 6,205
Somerville, New Jersey, US


Trade shoots are so much more fun than paid shoots.

For a paid shoot I do what the client wants....for a trade shoot I do what I and/or the model wants.
Dec 12 12 07:44 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
RKD Photographic
Posts: 3,265
Iserlohn, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany


Vanessa Bowman wrote:
The worst shoot I've ever had was my only paid shoot. It wasn't a really bad experience or anything, I just didn't get into that creative, fun space that I normally get into during a shoot. I also never got the images back and never heard from the photographer again. It felt quite odd.

As a general rule, models don't get images from 'paid' shoots - you get money instead...
Unless of course you signed an agreement that specified you'd get images as well as cash.

Dec 13 12 02:36 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Neil Snape
Posts: 9,468
Paris, Île-de-France, France


I am impressed with what I have made from TF. The only thing I can understand taht is counter productive, is the fact that if you do TF outside of agencies, then you are not building a relationship with bookers both model, and MU/hair/styling.


Yet for FA, MM is fabulous.
Dec 13 12 02:44 am  Link  Quote 
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Damianne
Posts: 15,975
Austin, Texas, US


Uh, I dunno, how successful are fishing trips?
How successful are books that have been written?
How successful are shoots for a client?

I mean, that's not really an actual question.
Dec 13 12 03:08 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Hidden Beauty Imagery
Posts: 130
San Antonio, Texas, US


I agree with Ken regarding:

1) My rates are out of reach for models here. I won't cheapen my product by charging a small amount, which puts the onus on me to create a great image set for the client, who is the model. If I am getting paid, my artistic goals must be focused 100% on the client. What I get out of the deal is money. For a trade, I get what I want, the model gets what she wants as well.

2) I just don't do 75-100 trade shoots a year for trade with models. In my market, the flake rate is very high indeed and getting models who have the looks, the range (or the potential to go for the range), and a good attitude, plus the ability to actually show up is very low. I have high standards, and unlike some others with low expectations (and probably a higher shooting and show up rate) I will sit on my hands until the right match happens. The paid industry doesn't need to be dragged down by my support of cheap rates.

3) My best successes lately have been offering my studio as a place for traveling models to sleep, and trading for accommodations. I love traveling models as they work their butts off, have skills, are fun and it is a blast working hard to give them a great experience and images too.

I am always ready to work with a model who really wants to trade, but alas, most of the local girls I have spoken to really just want me to shoot stuff for them for free, and do it at a very high level of quality. The sitting on the hands will continue, as waiting for a great match and a fabulous shoot is worth it.
Dec 13 12 03:41 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DG at studio47
Posts: 2,365
East Ridge, Tennessee, US


Ken Marcus Studios wrote:
Virtually every shoot I've done in the last 15 years has been for trade. I do at least 70-100 TF shoots per year.

I'm a firm believer in doing TF

Most models cannot afford my prices and I don't like having to pay for talent.

Works out really well in my experience

KM

and we are glad for every shoot you've done!!!

Dec 13 12 03:47 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DG at studio47
Posts: 2,365
East Ridge, Tennessee, US


100% TFCD shooter [8yrs  ]. I had a 16X30 space in an older home [before i moved to an apartment in May of this year]. First couple of years I shot everything that breathed and moved at the studio and on locations [mostly bands and performance groups]. Had my share of flakes as well as really professional llamas that I could count on every time i worked with them. Most of the llamas did their own MUA
Dec 13 12 03:59 am  Link  Quote 
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