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You Can Call Me Pierre
Posts: 730
Montreal, Quebec, Canada


The trial of Remy Couture has begun.  I am eager to see how local tax dollars are wasted to enforce foreign values.
Dec 11 12 08:30 pm  Link  Quote 
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Rays Fine Art
Posts: 5,917
New York, New York, US


Glad I'm not on the jury---Apparently a key element is the presence/absence of adequate warning of the nature of the film and therefore whether or not the public had sufficient opportunity to opt out of seeing it.  The versions I was able to find had no such warning, just went directly into the title then into the film.  The original has apparently been removed from the net.

Having watched about half of it, I would say that if that's true, that there was not adequate warning, then it would have been a public hazard.  The material is sufficiently gory that anyone impressionable such as a child or someone who has experienced a rape or an atack might have been put at risk of serious mental and/or emotional harm.

On the other hand, I thought the production values were sufficiently high that it could not have been anything other than a somewhat depraved artistic expression, depraved but none the less an artistic expression.  While I defend the artist's right to create, he is also responsible for the consequences of his creation.  He must give us adequate opportunity to ignore his creation if it has the potential to offend us.

For myself, I am of the opinion that your right to swing your fist stops well short of my nose, and that if you plan to swing your fist in the direction of my nose, and you don't adequately reassure me that you will not connect either accidentally or intentionally, then you damned well deserve the strongest consequences I can devise.

All IMHO, as always.
Dec 12 12 06:19 pm  Link  Quote 
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Damianne
Posts: 15,973
Austin, Texas, US


I don't want to live anywhere that "corrupting morals" is a punishable legal offense.

Regardless, Canada is hardly a beacon of social liberalism culturally (not as in political "liberal" but like a liberal environment, where people are uninhibited)... I've never been around so many "polite society" people in my life. Can't even curse around here, everyone gets all "oh how rude".
Dec 13 12 04:02 am  Link  Quote 
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Virtual Studio
Posts: 5,464
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Damianne wrote:
I don't want to live anywhere that "corrupting morals" is a punishable legal offense.

Regardless, Canada is hardly a beacon of social liberalism culturally (not as in political "liberal" but like a liberal environment, where people are uninhibited)... I've never been around so many "polite society" people in my life. Can't even curse around here, everyone gets all "oh how rude".

Hmmmm. So you think your right to free speech (swearing) is more important than theirs in telling you what they think?

Interesting.

Dec 13 12 08:05 am  Link  Quote 
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Rakesh Malik
Posts: 326
Seattle, Washington, US


Damianne wrote:
I don't want to live anywhere that "corrupting morals" is a punishable legal offense.

Regardless, Canada is hardly a beacon of social liberalism culturally (not as in political "liberal" but like a liberal environment, where people are uninhibited)... I've never been around so many "polite society" people in my life. Can't even curse around here, everyone gets all "oh how rude".

Damned puritans are everywhere, apparently. It's like a plague. Sigh.

Dec 13 12 10:13 am  Link  Quote 
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William Kious
Posts: 8,837
Delphos, Ohio, US


Canadians have just lost any grounds they might have had for mocking the United States.
Dec 13 12 10:21 am  Link  Quote 
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Rakesh Malik
Posts: 326
Seattle, Washington, US


William Kious wrote:
Canadians have just lost any grounds they might have had for mocking the United States.

We haven't quiet, not yet. Romney did after all get votes, and there are schools in america that have creation on the science curriculum.

Dec 13 12 11:26 am  Link  Quote 
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Damianne
Posts: 15,973
Austin, Texas, US


Virtual Studio wrote:

Hmmmm. So you think your right to free speech (swearing) is more important than theirs in telling you what they think?

Interesting.

Uh, no?
We both have a right to both, it's just not the free spirited live and let live environment that seems to be the common stereotype, and seems to be referenced in the "foreign values" dig in the OP.
In my experience, this fits pretty solidly with Canadian values.

Has nothing to do with *rights* I don't think there's anything *illegal* going on, I'm not *oppressed*.

Dec 14 12 01:32 am  Link  Quote 
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Imageography
Posts: 6,768
Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada


I just watched both videos. I have a deep and dark artistic style as well, probably not to this extreme, but again, given freedom of speech, I think this is just another classic example of censorship.

I would have liked to have seen a warning at the beginning of the video.

To me, I watch these things and they do nothing to corrupt my morals.

I hope he wins, because if he loses, many of us lose

This is my dark port and if he loses, maybe my work will be next, albeit not as extreme.

http://www.modelmayhem.com/2859213
Dec 14 12 02:08 am  Link  Quote 
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LA StarShooter
Posts: 1,750
Los Angeles, California, US


gl-amour wrote:
The trial of Remy Couture has begun.  I am eager to see how local tax dollars are wasted to enforce foreign values.

We take for granted free speech sometimes, but it has been a hard fought legal battle to expand the boundaries of what is considered free. Advocates of censorship fought hard to suppress the unexpurgated edition of  Lady Chatterly's Lover, fearing that it would open the gates of obscenity and thus Penguin, the Publisher, in 1960 faced trial for obscenity.

For years it has been argued that pornography and not just violent pornography degraded women, turned them into objects, and thus it made it easier for things like rape to occur. Some of bluntly stated that pornography could be held as a cause of rape.  Here is a paper exploring such ideas: http://www.d.umn.edu/cla/faculty/jhamli … s/porn.pdf and shows in a legal decision a judge was open to the idea.

Yet, in meta-studies there is no causal relationship between pornography and rape. Moreover, other studies have pointed to a drop in rape and  correlated it to the explosion of porn on the Internet.

But still the guardian of the pure, of the innocents, walk with the jingling of jail keys on their belts, ready to lock away the corrupters of purity. Freedom is a delicate thing and may not bloom for very long before it is constrained and is no longer freedom.

Dec 14 12 02:08 am  Link  Quote 
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Damianne
Posts: 15,973
Austin, Texas, US


Imageography wrote:
I just watched both videos. I have a deep and dark artistic style as well, probably not to this extreme, but again, given freedom of speech, I think this is just another classic example of censorship.

I would have liked to have seen a warning at the beginning of the video.

To me, I watch these things and they do nothing to corrupt my morals.

I hope he wins, because if he loses, many of us lose

This is my dark port and if he loses, maybe my work will be next, albeit not as extreme.

http://www.modelmayhem.com/2859213

Yeah I'm not a fan of shutting down art because you disagree with it.

Dec 14 12 03:14 am  Link  Quote 
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Cherrystone
Posts: 35,976
Columbus, Ohio, US


I just watched one of his shorts. Well, kinda watched. I went thru it pretty fast.

There was a time in my life where I woulda thought, cool beans. Not so much cool beans for the last 25 years.

While they are certainly disturbing IMHO, what I find more disturbing, that in this day & age someone is actually being prosecuted for this.

I see his jury is made up of 7 woman & 5 men. He might be fucked.
Dec 14 12 07:19 am  Link  Quote 
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Stephen Dawson
Posts: 29,246
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


William Kious wrote:
Canadians have just lost any grounds they might have had for mocking the United States.

Couture's trail is in Quebec.

He will not be convicted.

Dec 14 12 11:24 am  Link  Quote 
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Herman Surkis
Posts: 8,139
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada


William Kious wrote:
Canadians have just lost any grounds they might have had for mocking the United States.

Unfortunately we lost those grounds long ago.. Roughly about the time we elected Harper.

Dec 14 12 12:55 pm  Link  Quote 
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Herman Surkis
Posts: 8,139
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada


Rakesh Malik wrote:

We haven't quiet, not yet. Romney did after all get votes, and there are schools in america that have creation on the science curriculum.

Romney got just under 50% of the popular vote.
There are Counties and dare I say States that that have made creationism (Intelligent Design) as part of the science curriculum.

However I think we have lost the right to be smug.

Dec 14 12 12:59 pm  Link  Quote 
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