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Rik Williams
Posts: 3,377
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia


Jesus!  This is still going??
Dec 30 12 06:43 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
G Anderson Photo
Posts: 18
Madison, Wisconsin, US


Rik Image wrote:
Jesus!  This is still going??

Yes.  It long ago reached the strictly for entertainment stage for me.  I can only take seriously about 10% of the responses.   

Everyone keeps telling me to mind my own business which I am doing and yet they all want to speculate on my motives, critique my portfolio, critique my sex life, etc etc. 

Back to minding my own business here.  Lots of photos to edit while watching football.

Happy New Year everyone!

Jan 01 13 09:57 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Ginger Rothestein
Posts: 191
Wilmington, North Carolina, US


G Anderson Photo wrote:
So, I know of a photographer here on MM that pays models a very high rate for what appears to be artistic nude photos.  A few of those photos are posted on his port for each model to "make it look good".  However I know from models that have worked with him, that there is full hardcore photos/videos produced that he agrees to "never publish".  This makes it hard to recruit models that he works with for legitimate nude and adult modeling gigs as he tells them that they "don't want to have that stuff published just keep it private".   These models are generally new models looking for paid work who have no other history of doing porn or doing escorting.   In my opinion this photog is turning paid nude models into his own personal prostitutes.  I appreciate opinions on this.

I recently posted a similar forum, as a fellow model and I had encountered a few inappropriate situations. The best responses I got were to urge the model to check references, and ask around the community, models and photographers included. They can hide here on MM to an extent, but in the real world word of mouth seems to be the most powerful tool.

Jan 01 13 02:47 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Ginger Rothestein
Posts: 191
Wilmington, North Carolina, US


Orca Bay Images wrote:
How in the hell has this lame-ass troll thread gotten to five pages?

Because people are determined to get the last word in I suppose....amazing really.

Jan 01 13 02:49 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Brian Scanlon
Posts: 789
Encino, California, US


Ginger Rothestein wrote:

Because people are determined to get the last word in I suppose....amazing really.

The last word

Jan 01 13 04:02 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Art Silva
Posts: 9,254
Santa Barbara, California, US


I have some models for you that will make you happy tonight...

Jan 01 13 06:16 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
UCPhotog
Posts: 984
Union City, California, US


G Anderson Photo wrote:
Yes.  It long ago reached the strictly for entertainment stage for me.  I can only take seriously about 10% of the responses.   

Everyone keeps telling me to mind my own business which I am doing and yet they all want to speculate on my motives, critique my portfolio, critique my sex life, etc etc. 

Back to minding my own business here.  Lots of photos to edit while watching football.

Happy New Year everyone!

You only take seriously 10% of the responses? Probably why you are worried about those few models you want for adult modeling who don't want to work with you. If you took seriously a few more responses (more than 1/2 suggested to mind your own business and find other models) maybe you'd be doing something other than watching football. You claim that you contacted a lawyer. If you actually did contact an attorney then I'd say you took the issue seriously. Again, I'd like you to post the attorney's name and office phone as well as the statute or law reference. If that person is giving you legal advice they should not have any problem with you giving them credit for said advice.

Either way, at this point you're backpeddling your amount of concern. Tons of models. Offer them better wages and you'll shoot more. If you can't afford the better wages, work on your camera skills and legit models (you're offering legit jobs as you state) will combine the monetary AND photographic payments, seeing it's a better deal.

I hope a moderator closes this one soon. You give us too much fodder with it.

Art Silva Photography wrote:
Jan 03 13 02:32 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
my_other_profile
Posts: 666
Ankeny, Iowa, US


Last word:

bologna.
Jan 03 13 02:57 pm  Link  Quote 
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AVD AlphaDuctions
Posts: 10,533
Gatineau, Quebec, Canada


as george takei would say
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Jan 03 13 06:30 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
PaulHomsyPhotography
Posts: 96
Los Angeles, California, US


G Anderson Photo wrote:

It is my business because good models that I planned on using for paid LEGIT nude and adult modeling gigs are "taken off the market" because this photog convinces them to "keep things private with him"    There is not much I can do about it.  I am just venting out of frustration.  I try hard to make sure I do everything in a legal manner and try to be familiar with all the laws governing nude, adult and hardcore shoots.   What this photog is doing is unethical in my opinion and is probably illegal.   The models are definitely consenting to the sex so there is no issue there, but I don't think they realize they may be guilty of prostitution in the eyes of the law.

What you say comes across as pure jealousy. I bet you wouldn't say boo if the shoes were on your feet. To try to find a way to formulate some very serious accusations against someone who does things that are NONE of your business to begin with reeks with jealousy. There are tons of pretty models, hire your own models and do your thing but make sure you don't brake any laws Mr. White Knight...wink

Jan 29 13 02:13 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
D-Fotograf
Posts: 54
Frankfurt, Hassia, Germany


G Anderson Photo wrote:
So, I know of a photographer here on MM that pays models a very high rate for what appears to be artistic nude photos.  A few of those photos are posted on his port for each model to "make it look good".  However I know from models that have worked with him, that there is full hardcore photos/videos produced that he agrees to "never publish".  This makes it hard to recruit models that he works with for legitimate nude and adult modeling gigs as he tells them that they "don't want to have that stuff published just keep it private".   These models are generally new models looking for paid work who have no other history of doing porn or doing escorting.   In my opinion this photog is turning paid nude models into his own personal prostitutes.  I appreciate opinions on this.

This sounds so much like a high school mentality.... and like so many others here said, why are you even getting involved? Regardless of what they (the models) do, model can always say this shoot is done, and I'm reporting you.

So my question to you is this, why even promote this negativity if all you have is third person rumors?

Jan 29 13 02:25 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Colorwheel Photo
Posts: 1
Wantagh, New York, US


I live in the state of New York and according to an attorney that I have dealt with, you could actually be charged with be charged with Solicitation or prostitution if you hire a model or engage a photographer for pay and have sex.

So the person who told about the photographer using incriminating nude photos runs the risk of criminal charges, legal bills, and even jail time. If you think that  the casting couch mentality is still applicable, you could be in for a rude awakening.
Jan 29 13 03:35 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Photos 4 The Memories
Posts: 1,279
Kewaskum, Wisconsin, US


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Jan 29 13 03:37 am  Link  Quote 
Model
allison mindy
Posts: 1,495
New York, New York, US


2 words Terry Richardson.
Jan 29 13 04:00 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Harold Rose
Posts: 2,925
Calhoun, Georgia, US


G Anderson Photo wrote:
So, I know of a photographer here on MM that pays models a very high rate for what appears to be artistic nude photos.  A few of those photos are posted on his port for each model to "make it look good".  However I know from models that have worked with him, that there is full hardcore photos/videos produced that he agrees to "never publish".  This makes it hard to recruit models that he works with for legitimate nude and adult modeling gigs as he tells them that they "don't want to have that stuff published just keep it private".   These models are generally new models looking for paid work who have no other history of doing porn or doing escorting.   In my opinion this photog is turning paid nude models into his own personal prostitutes.  I appreciate opinions on this.

IT IS A SHAME THAT  MM  WOULD PUBLISH SOMETHING LIKE THIS

Jan 29 13 04:08 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
JimBobLc
Posts: 199
Martinsburg, West Virginia, US


If this were true, all lawyers would go to jail for screwing their clients. 

Color Wheel Photo wrote:
I live in the state of New York and according to an attorney that I have dealt with, you could actually be charged with be charged with Solicitation or prostitution if you hire a model or engage a photographer for pay and have sex.

So the person who told about the photographer using incriminating nude photos runs the risk of criminal charges, legal bills, and even jail time. If you think that  the casting couch mentality is still applicable, you could be in for a rude awakening.

Jan 29 13 07:26 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
JOEL McDONALD
Posts: 608
Portland, Oregon, US


If its a matter of coercion of the model(s) then its a problem, if they're being "paid" and they agree then its not. As newbies these models may not understand that saying "no" isn't unprofessional, quite the opposite.

My guess is that this particular "photog" may in fact be using newbies for this not only to have this material for porn sites and resale, but also to have it filed away just in case a newbie goes on to become a celeb or a name.

Imagine what images and/or vids like these would be worth with a future Angelina Joulie or a Kelly Clarkson.
Jan 29 13 08:23 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
RBM Photo
Posts: 557
Bellbrook, Ohio, US


Why the hell are we bringing this thread up again? It's over and done, let it rest.
Jan 29 13 08:38 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
-Ira
Posts: 2,183
New York, New York, US


Brian Scanlon wrote:

The last word

word

Jan 29 13 09:04 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
M Pandolfo Photography
Posts: 12,116
Tampa, Florida, US


Color Wheel Photo wrote:
I live in the state of New York and according to an attorney that I have dealt with, you could actually be charged with be charged with Solicitation or prostitution if you hire a model or engage a photographer for pay and have sex.

So the person who told about the photographer using incriminating nude photos runs the risk of criminal charges, legal bills, and even jail time. If you think that  the casting couch mentality is still applicable, you could be in for a rude awakening.

Wording is so important when trying to interpret legal statements and laws. Your attorney friend said one thing and you heard another.

Yes, you could be charged with solicitation if you hire an individual FOR sex. That is far different than hiring a model AND engaging in sex. Do you see the distinction?

The latter happens all the time. It's called sex among consenting adults. I hire a model. We hit it off. We engage in sex. That's not illegal. I hire a model and the exchange of money is FOR sex...very different.

Now, if I hire a model to have sex on camera. Also not illegal. It's adult entertainment.

Jan 29 13 09:18 am  Link  Quote 
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JOEL McDONALD
Posts: 608
Portland, Oregon, US


Michael Pandolfo wrote:

Wording is so important when trying to interpret legal statements and laws. Your attorney friend said one thing and you heard another.

Yes, you could be charged with solicitation if you hire an individual FOR sex. That is far different than hiring a model AND engaging in sex. Do you see the distinction?

The latter happens all the time. It's called sex among consenting adults. I hire a model. We hit it off. We engage in sex. That's not illegal. I hire a model and the exchange of money is FOR sex...very different.

Now, if I hire a model to have sex on camera. Also not illegal. It's adult entertainment.

Pretty well sums it up.

Jan 29 13 09:27 am  Link  Quote 
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UCPhotog
Posts: 984
Union City, California, US


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Feb 04 13 09:44 am  Link  Quote 
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Kent Art Photography
Posts: 2,742
Ashford, England, United Kingdom


UCPhotog wrote:
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g285/webpager/original%20default/beating-a-dead-horse.gif

You woke this thread up after a week just to post that?

Feb 04 13 09:50 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ontherocks
Posts: 22,348
Salem, Oregon, US


that looks more like CPR! on a llama.

UCPhotog wrote:
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Feb 04 13 09:51 am  Link  Quote 
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LaurensAntoine 4 FHM
Posts: 344
San Diego, California, US


joephotonyc wrote:
To OP:
OK I tell models all the time to make love to the camera.
Does that make them prostitutes ?
The state would have fun trying to prosecute my camera!
Best you shoot TFTP then no money changes hands LOL

I think your just pissed because he pays more than you can afford , thus jacking up the local rate.

I did a shoot with a MM model and during the shoot she starting playing with herself.
Not by my direction, but of her own volition. I asked he did she mind, I am trying to shoot here.. She said no  LOL.
My girlfriend was in the room and the time and just laughed. She is a model on MM also.
And no it did not end up a three some.
The point is models are sexual beings also, some get turned on doing a shoot, others its just a job.

And just another line item for your puritanical list, models do date photographers, and god forbid even seduce them, and even have sex with them also.
So I guess that makes them all prostitutes also.
Except for one all the models I have dated I met outside MM.

So I guess the next on your puritanical list goes something like :
All dancers in strip clubs are strippers thus all are prostitutes.

Dude lighten up, live and let live and mind you own business.

I'm not 100% sure of the lingo, but I think Gatekeeper means you review submissions for inclusion on the website. If that's true, then:

You help determine who is suitable as a model or photographer on Model Mayhem, and then you publicly post that a "model" played with herself in front of you while shooting, that you date models, mention threesomes with models, and point out that models are "sexual beings" all in one public post.

Do you ever wonder why there are so few professionals here, or why parent's make their daughters delete their profiles?  I'm all for open and free discussions, but this doesn't set a very good example.

Feb 04 13 10:40 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DavidHa
Posts: 1
Brooklyn, New York, US


Are you posting this thread so you can have more friends?
Feb 04 13 11:01 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Light and Lens Studio
Posts: 1,337
Sisters, Oregon, US


G Anderson Photo wrote:
Thanks for all the replies and opinions.  I know for a fact that he has sex with the models because he has told me so and at least two models that have worked with him have told me so.  My understanding of the laws concerning hardcore shoots is that if the person paying the female model is also the one having sex with her and there is no intent to publish the content, then it is not porn but rather prostitution on camera.

Sheesh.  It's between them.  NOYFB

Concentrate on keeping your own nose clean and not stuck in anybody else's business.

Feb 04 13 11:09 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ontherocks
Posts: 22,348
Salem, Oregon, US


glamour shooters are an interesting lot. the primary motivation isn't always art (i've seen playboy photographers admit as much). doesn't mean they're going to hit on the model but they will enjoy the show. good, clean adult fun so long as no one gets hurt or made to do something against their will.

yesterday's sexy librarian (one of our paying customers) had the most amazing, um, eyes. but if you don't appreciate it how can you do it justice in a photo?

LaurensAntoine 4 FHM wrote:
Do you ever wonder why there are so few professionals here, or why parent's make their daughters delete their profiles?  I'm all for open and free discussions, but this doesn't set a very good example.

Feb 04 13 11:09 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
KonstantKarma
Posts: 2,513
Hickory, North Carolina, US


God forbid any of us talk about sex. Photographers, like our grandparents, have never had sex.
Feb 04 13 11:44 am  Link  Quote 
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Jersey Shore
Posts: 403
Tinton Falls, New Jersey, US


ChaiNoir wrote:
This is going to cause a storm

i hope it's a mild snow storm and not a storm like the one we experienced last October here in NJ.

Feb 04 13 11:59 am  Link  Quote 
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