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Gary Melton wrote:
Staubach is NO myth - he was the real deal...a REAL WINNER!!!

again, two time super bowl loser. smile

Jan 17 13 11:08 pm  Link  Quote 
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GK photo wrote:
again, two time super bowl loser. smile

Staubach took the Cowboys to FOUR Super Bowls - won 2 of them...was MVP of one of them.  As good an overall team as Dallas was back then - they would have never won so many championships (division, conference and super bowl) without him.

There have been only a handful of quarterbacks in the history of the NFL who were in the same class as him when it came to scrambling ability.  Next time you see film of Staubach playing - take note of how FAST he was (he was more than a good scrambler...he was amazingly FAST)!

On top of his great accomplishments on the field, he was a hell of a good man off of it as well (e.g.: he's now been married to the same woman for 48 years).  He wasn't a spoiled prima donna like so many players today.  He WAS a role model for kids to look up!

Oh - and he played only 11 seasons...a relatively short time to accomplish as much as he did.  And he is one of only 4 people EVER to win both the Heisman AND Super Bowl MVP!  He also had THE highest quarterback rating in the NFL for 4 of his 11 seasons (and he didn't even start all 11 seasons).

Jan 17 13 11:18 pm  Link  Quote 
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Gary Melton wrote:
Staubach took the Cowboys to FOUR Super Bowls - won 2 of them...was MVP of one of them.  As good an overall team as Dallas was back then - they would have never won so many championships (division, conference and super bowl) without him.

montana, 4-0
bradshaw, 4-0
roethliesberger, 2-1
eli, 2-0
even elway at 2-3 had better numbers in the big game

roger was more myth than reality, dude. sorry.

Gary Melton wrote:
There have been only a handful of quarterbacks in the history of the NFL who were in the same class as him when it came to scrambling ability.

you're kidding, right? as mentioned, tarkenton was the king of scrambling (the term was coined by his play), and there were many others who were just as good--if not better--than staubach. there were guys before him, guys who played at the same time, and guys who played subsequently who were way better scramblers.

Gary Melton wrote:
On top of his great accomplishments on the field, he was a hell of a good man off of it as well (e.g.: he's now been married to the same woman for 48 years).  He wasn't a spoiled prima donna like so many players today.  He WAS a role model for kids to look up!

aha! the rub. so what? great guy? great. great winner? not so much.

Gary Melton wrote:
Oh - and he played only 11 seasons...a relatively short time to accomplish as much as he did.  And he is one of only 4 people EVER to win both the Heisman AND Super Bowl MVP!  He also had THE highest quarterback rating in the NFL for 4 of his 11 seasons (and he didn't even start all 11 seasons).

why didn't he start every season? ever ask yourself that one? remember the year where he and morton alternated plays? how fucking retarded was that?

please, i don't like ruining people's heroes for them. staubach was a competent nfl qb, and a REAL standup guy off the field. he wasn't anywhere near the best nfl qb ever. he was bob griese in a better uniform.

Jan 18 13 01:17 am  Link  Quote 
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...and the real reason Roger was a true "super quarterback":

He led the Cowboys to 23 game-winning drives (15 comebacks) in the fourth quarter, with 17 of those coming in the final two minutes or in overtime.

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Staubach retired from football in March 1980, as the then second highest-rated passer of all time at 83.4 (behind Otto Graham at 86.6), and was voted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 1985. In 1999, he was ranked number 29 on The Sporting News list of the 100 Greatest Football Players, the second-ranked Cowboy behind Bob Lilly. [Note - not the #29 quarterback, but the #29 player].

Oh and here's the Cowboys championship record during his 11 year career:

Season:

1969 - NFL Capitol Division champion
1970 - NFC Conference champion
1971 - NFL Super Bowl champion
1972 - NFC East Division champion
1973 - NFC East Division champion
1975 - NFC Conference champion
1976 - NFC East Division champion
1977 - NFL Super Bowl champion
1978 - NFC Conference champion
1979 - NFC East Division champion

Not too shabby - 10 championships out of 11 seasons (4 out of 11 in the Super Bowl) while he was with the Cowboys...show me another QB with that accomplishment!  (The only year they didn't win a championship was 1974, when they started 1-4 and finished 8-6.)

For comparison - your vaunted Steelers under the 14 seasons with Terry Bradshaw won only 8 championships...that's 8 out of 14 (57%), compared to 10 out of 11 (91%).  You really wonder why we consider Staubach a winner with a mere 91% record for getting the Cowboys a championship?

(He missed most of the 1972 season with a separated shoulder, but he relieved Morton in a divisional playoff against the San Francisco 49ers and threw two touchdown passes in the last 90 seconds to win the game 30–28.)

Oh and don't forget that he began his NFL career as a 27-year old rookie!

6 time pro-bowler, 5 time all-NFC.  (And during his college career with the Naval Academy: Heisman Trophy, Maxwell Award and 1963 UPI Player of the Year.)


The man was a winner, through and through!
Jan 18 13 05:05 am  Link  Quote 
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Here's the problem with looking at superbowl stats--it takes more than a really good QB to win a superbowl and with the right supporting cast, even a Bart Starr or a Trent Dilfer while guys like Fran Tarkenton or Jim Kelly (and for a while John Elway) get labeled as "losers" or "can't win the big one."

The reality is that while Romo is good, he's not great and so far has consistently underperformed in big moments.  So you want to replace him?  With whom?  Matt Flynn?  The reality is that having a great QB has never been more critical (and most teams know this).  That's why the Skins paid an arm and a leg to get RGIII (and in hindsight, probably got a steal there).

There is NO franchise QB in this year's draft.  Free agents available this offseason...I think it would be like shuffling deckchairs on the Titanic (not that bad but you get my point, you're replacing Romo with someone who won't be any better (Brady Quinn, Jason Campbell, and Joe Flacco are the best of the lot for the most part).  Trade?  You'd have to give up a lot and even then, no-one is going to deal Matt  Ryan or Aaron Rodgers.  Instead it would likely be someone like Matt Flynn.  Maybe you could get a guy cut b/c of cap reasons...the best options there are Alex Smith and  Michael Vick.

Let's face it--Romo is the best option the Pokes have at the foreseeable future.  Maybe the 2014 draft....

Ed
Jan 18 13 07:25 am  Link  Quote 
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Albertex Photography wrote:
I wish they would hire a GM and get rid of Romo.  Until then, nothing will change.

That would mean Jerry Jones stepping down from his duel role of owner & GM.

W/ his ego, you'd probably have better odds winning big in Vegas than that happening.

Jan 18 13 07:26 am  Link  Quote 
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Gary Melton wrote:
You know, one of the things I dislike the most about Romo is his attitude.  No matter how bad things go - especially how bad HE plays - he tries to put a positive spin on it.

Uh, have you never watched Bull Durham?

That's Athlete PR 101.

Jan 18 13 07:30 am  Link  Quote 
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GK photo wrote:
dude, did you see what washington, seattle and indie were able to pull off this year? with rookie qbs. and washington TWICE! jerruh has made his bed with romo and the ginger, and he's going to ride with them until they hit the bottom of the atlantic.

Every highly touted rookie does well in their first year. Just look at Mark Sanchez, Sam Bradford, or Cam Newton.

Its because the opposition has almost no game film at the NFL level to study. Seeing how those rookies adjust when the defenses do, THAT is the 50 million dollar question.

Jan 18 13 07:33 am  Link  Quote 
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Gary Melton wrote:
Rivers isn't nearly as talented as Romo and is just as big a loser.  I'm not trying to say Tebow would or could be a big success - just that he has shown flashes of possible big success.  Like I said, hard to see how he could be worse than Romo!

I honest think its amazing Phillip Rivers is as good as he is. Outside of Joe Flacco, that quarterback has consistently done more w/ less over a longer period of time than any quarterback in the NFL.

Jan 18 13 07:39 am  Link  Quote 
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Rivers is WAYYYYY  better than Romo, his team just fell apart this season.  They'll be back in time. 

Romo just is sub-par.  Hard to believe Jones didn't give up on him years ago.  They should have ditched him about 3 seasons ago. He's just a guy, that's it, just a guy at QB. No leadership or clutch playing or real skill sets, just a average guy back there.

Wish I could join you in your Staubach debate, I've heard on the radio here they were attempting a Top 10 QBs & he was one of those on the border guys some callers wanted in, while others wanted out.  So I heard both sides of the argument.  I was born in 1972, so while I heard his name as a kid, and knew Dallas was a good team, I don't really know if it was due to him, or in spite of him.  Wish I saw him more, but he was a bit before my time.  I'd have to guess he was somewhere in the Top 8-14 range somewhere, below Brady Montana etc, but mixed in with Bradshaw Brees etc somewhere..
Jan 18 13 07:59 am  Link  Quote 
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Gary Melton wrote:
ALL TIME DREAM SKILL PLAYERS (from any team, any era):

wide receivers:  Michael Irvin, Drew Pearson

Really? Ever hear of a guy named Jerry Rice?  I'd also take Calvin Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald over your two guys.

Jan 18 13 08:36 am  Link  Quote 
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37photog wrote:
Rivers is WAYYYYY  better than Romo, his team just fell apart this season.  They'll be back in time. 

Romo just is sub-par.  Hard to believe Jones didn't give up on him years ago.  They should have ditched him about 3 seasons ago. He's just a guy, that's it, just a guy at QB. No leadership or clutch playing or real skill sets, just a average guy back there.

Wish I could join you in your Staubach debate, I've heard on the radio here they were attempting a Top 10 QBs & he was one of those on the border guys some callers wanted in, while others wanted out.  So I heard both sides of the argument.  I was born in 1972, so while I heard his name as a kid, and knew Dallas was a good team, I don't really know if it was due to him, or in spite of him.  Wish I saw him more, but he was a bit before my time.  I'd have to guess he was somewhere in the Top 8-14 range somewhere, below Brady Montana etc, but mixed in with Bradshaw Brees etc somewhere..

Here are some of the numbers on Romo:

All Time Cowboy Records:

> Games with 3+ touchdown passes: 27 (next best by a Cowboy: Danny White/20)

> Games with 300+ yards passing: 40  (next best by a Cowboy: Troy Aikman/only 13)

> Lowest career interception %: 2.75% (next best by a Cowboy:  Troy Aikman/3.0%)

> Touchdown passes: 177  (next best by a Cowboy: Troy Aikman/165)

And considering that Romo probably has several seasons left to play - he will totally CRUSH all records set by all previous Cowboy quarterbacks!

NFL All Time Records:

> Romo is currently #5 NFL All-Time with a Career Passer Rating of 95.6

> Romo is currently #6 NFL All-Time with a Career Passing Completion % of 64.7%

> Romo is currently #6 NFL All-Time with 7.9 yards per passing attempt

So...it's really pretty ridiculous to say that Romo is not a good quarterback, because skill-wise, he is a GREAT quarterback and his numbers just maybe 65% of the way through his career absolutely show it.  He's an accurate passer, a very good scrambler/runner and 98% of the time - he is a very good decision maker.  What more can you ask for in a quarterback?

The problem is - even though he is probably the most skilled quarterback Dallas has ever had (even in mid career - his stats blow away those of Aikman, Staubach, White and Meredith)...he does not have what Staubach (and Aikman) had - the ability to win when it counts (yes, Staubach lost 2 Super Bowls - but he won 10 division championships, 4 NFC championships and 2 Super Bowls).

Romo will NEVER win the Cowboys so much as a division title, and for that reason - despite his undisputeable and awesome skills - ROMO MUST GO!  Cowboys chances with just about anyone are better than with Romo...he does not have the "winner" gene that Staubach and Aikman had!

And compare Rivers' stats to Romo...there is NO comparison - Rivers is decent, but nowhere nearly as skilled as the BIG LOSER ROMO!!!

Jan 18 13 08:59 am  Link  Quote 
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...And the problem is - Jerry Jones looks at how well Romo stacks up against the greatest quarterbacks in the history of the NFL*...and so believes that he would be crazy to replace Romo.  He simply can't see the forest for the trees and refuses to admit that Romo is a bonafide LOSER!!!


*Romo Ranking:

#5 NFL All-Time Career Passer Rating: 95.6

#6 NFL All-Time Career Passing completion %: 64.7%

      and

#6 NFL All-Time Yards Per Attempt: 7.9

means that Romo DOES stack up well against all time NFL quarterbacks, especially when you consider those are 3 of the 4 or 5 most important stats a quarterback can excel at.
Jan 18 13 09:05 am  Link  Quote 
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You're outta your mind!!   Here's a stat:

Playoff wins:  Romo = 1


As for Staubach, you're kindof reaching on some of it.  When your talking about Greatness, nobody gives a sh#t about Divisional championships, thats busch league. SB appearances are the minimum.
Jan 18 13 09:21 am  Link  Quote 
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37photog wrote:
You're outta your mind!!   Here's a stat:

Playoff wins - Romo = 1


As for Staubach, you're kindof reaching on some of it.  When your talking about Greatness, nobody gives a sh#t about Divisional championships, thats busch league. SB appearances are the minimum.

Have you not been reading this thread - I totally agree with you...ROMO IS A LOSER!!!

I just disagree with anyone saying he's not a really, really skilled quarterback because all evidence says that his skills are better than all but 5 or 6 quarterbacks that ever played in the NFL...it's just that the fact remains that he's a LOSER!!  He cannot win a big one and he NEVER WILL!

Seriously - "...nobody gives a sh# about Divisional championships..."?  I can think of about 26 NFL teams and cities that would disagree with you EVERY YEAR.

Tell me - how many other quarterbacks (besides Staubach) do you know of with 10 divisional championships in 11 years?  Really - you can't think of anyone?  I thought so!!

...And Staubach went to FOUR Super Bowls in an 11 year career, winning 2 of them...and was named MVP of one of them...

Jan 18 13 09:27 am  Link  Quote 
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Romo currently ranks #12 all time for most career 300+ yards passing games...and 8 of the 11 quarterbacks ahead of him are no longer playing. 

Given that he is only about 65% or so into his career, he will likely retire ranked in the top 5 or 6 all time in this category.

But still...ROMO IS A LOSER, because he CANNOT win a BIG ONE!!!
Jan 18 13 09:38 am  Link  Quote 
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Romo must remain the QB of the cowboys for eternity.

Signed,
Giants fan
Jan 18 13 10:54 am  Link  Quote 
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R L P wrote:
Romo must remain the QB of the cowboys for eternity.

Signed,
Giants fan

and fans of general romoblunders, worldwide. the shit he does, and when he does it, is the stuff of legends.

someday they'll make a highlight film of his blunders, with such classics as yaketty sax playing in the background. lol

Jan 18 13 11:07 am  Link  Quote 
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Gary Melton wrote:
Seriously - "...nobody gives a sh# about Divisional championships..."?  I can think of about 26 NFL teams and cities that would disagree with you EVERY YEAR.

Tell me - how many other quarterbacks (besides Staubach) do you know of with 10 divisional championships in 11 years?  Really - you can't think of anyone?  I thought so!!

...And Staubach went to FOUR Super Bowls in an 11 year career, winning 2 of them...and was named MVP of one of them...

Tom Brady. Or at least he's very darn close.  Yet that's far down on my list of reasons of why he's great.

So Staubach has as many SB wins as Eli, with 1 less MVP.

As for 26 cities want a Divisional Title, I disagree.  24 cities wanted to be in the playoffs. Just getting to the playoffs & having a shot is what people desire.  Would you rather A. Win the division yet lose in the playoffs, or B. Make it as a Wildcard team and win 1 playoff game??  (Take Seattle & Washington Redskins seasons for example)  Divisional titles don't mean jack.

Jan 18 13 11:25 am  Link  Quote 
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Jerry and Garrett need to be evaluated before Romo.
Who are the Cowboys realistically going to get at QB that'll get them to where they want to go ?
Jan 18 13 08:49 pm  Link  Quote 
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R L P wrote:
Romo must remain the QB of the cowboys for eternity.

Signed,
Giants fan

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Jan 18 13 08:56 pm  Link  Quote 
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Let There Be Light wrote:
Really? Ever hear of a guy named Jerry Rice?  I'd also take Calvin Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald over your two guys.

You seriously can't compare these four men. Genetics, technology, and dietary science have all changed. players are bigger, stronger, and faster now. Kind of unfair comparison. Like saying you would take the U.S. military vs Julius Caesar's army.

Jan 19 13 07:32 am  Link  Quote 
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Wow!  That was QUITE the impersonation of Romo that Tom Brady just pulled off...
Jan 20 13 06:53 pm  Link  Quote 
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just whacked another team off, No Romo
Jan 20 13 07:34 pm  Link  Quote 
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