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Bernadette Newberry
Posts: 130
Cincinnati, Ohio, US


Ben Hinman wrote:
lately i've been seeing images on modelmayhem that have hundreds of comments and show up in countless lists with everyone commenting "WOW! PERFECT!" or "oh so very sexy" but all i see is naked women licking things normal people wouldn't lick, or taking their tits out in public. And i mean, i'm all for shock value, but isn't there a line? Has photography really degraded from an artistic form with countless standards of excellence to a complete joke, with only one standard--the amount of perverts it turns on or the amount of people it shocks?

I've been on and off Model Mayhem since 2005 (this is my first time here as the photographer, though.) It's not a new thing. I'd always had the most views and comments on whatever picture was closest to naked, completely regardless of any other factors. /shrug

Jan 08 13 03:57 am  Link  Quote 
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Sekkides
Posts: 70
London, England, United Kingdom


model emily  wrote:

salvatori. wrote:
I actually couldn't agree with the OP less if I tried (okay, I could try a little...), but isn't actually against site rules to leave a random negative comment on a photo?

Only sensational answers accepted...

smile

From the rule book:


So, you are correct - unless asked, it would be considered against the rules here to post a random unsolicited critique, and it would appear that any negative comment is forbidden.

And it's little surprise that many of the most highly commented photos are nude, suggestive, or glamorous -- yet state little more than "NICE ASS!" -- as I stated above, and as the OP clearly already seems to understand......

But, who places so much importance on comments...?   If want real opinions, I ask in Critique.  Or, you know, the real world - where such "play nice" rules don't exist.

smile

Wait.. The term critique means to give an opinion whether good or bad, so saying 'Great picture!' is also a critique. So you shouldn't be allowed to do that either haha!

Jan 08 13 04:05 am  Link  Quote 
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EdwardKristopher
Posts: 3,375
Tempe, Arizona, US


Michael Pandolfo wrote:
So you're looking at the images too...just not commenting? Is that the gist of the thread?

:-)!

Jan 08 13 10:09 pm  Link  Quote 
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Ben Hinman
Posts: 596
Westwood, California, US


c_h_r_i_s wrote:
Sex sells which may have very little to do with quality photography.

Ah yes, but not everything that sells has this effect on the art its sold with. Maybe the increase in appeal to popular demand is just what happens when america's 2 favorite vices combine. Lust and greed are just as appealing as mass approval, and any one of them could be driving the gradual watering down of the trade.

Jan 09 13 03:27 am  Link  Quote 
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Dobias Fine Art Photo
Posts: 1,695
Haddon Heights, New Jersey, US


The larger question is why you think naked tits are sensational and the people who want to see them are perverts.  Of course, you are leaving out the model who wants to show and why she does it.  Is she a deranged sex maniac? 

Friends of mine and I sat around trying to come up with the most shocking scene that makes a statement.  What we came up with?  A dare to wear a Sandusky football jersey, soap on a rope around your neck, and hand out candy to kids on Halloween.  THAT's sensationalism, a commentary on perverts, and was too daring for any of us to do, even though no one was getting naked.

This isn't to say that there aren't plenty of sincerely disturbed people out there.  One of our contracted secretaries leveled a charge of being threatened by a deadly weapon against me because I was handing out dozens of kazoos for Christmas among coworkers so they could hum along with Christmas carols.  In her mind, and due to whatever hang-ups she has, kazoos were scary, threatening, deadly, and sensational.

So, perhaps you don't have as many issues as our contracted secretary.  But, those issues are yours.
Jan 09 13 04:25 am  Link  Quote 
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MC Photo
Posts: 4,144
New York, New York, US


Ben Hinman wrote:
lately i've been seeing images on modelmayhem that have hundreds of comments and show up in countless lists with everyone commenting "WOW! PERFECT!" or "oh so very sexy" but all i see is naked women licking things normal people wouldn't lick, or taking their tits out in public. And i mean, i'm all for shock value, but isn't there a line? Has photography really degraded from an artistic form with countless standards of excellence to a complete joke, with only one standard--the amount of perverts it turns on or the amount of people it shocks?

You've gotten right to the heart of photography. It's not the quality of the image that matters, it's the content.

Whether it's a good one or not is debatable, but there's a story in those photos. There's no story in most fine art studio nudes.

Jan 10 13 07:08 am  Link  Quote 
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howard r
Posts: 507
Los Angeles, California, US


personally, i think good taste took an enourmous hit the day larry flynt published the first issue of hustler

that said - any form of censorship would be far worse
Jan 10 13 07:41 am  Link  Quote 
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Lily Darling
Posts: 1,299
Lansing, Michigan, US


I'm not fond of some of the photos I have seen on here, but that's just me. Let others shoot or model what they want. Who are you to judge? You got to remember, not everyone holds your opinion or likes the things your do. Hence why there are so many different type of photographers. One of your visions could be another photographers trash, or vice versa. No reason to complain.
Jan 10 13 07:58 am  Link  Quote 
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Dan OMell
Posts: 1,335
Ufa, Bashkortostan, Russia


probably, fighting with human sensory organs is futile, and the sensations are everywhere 3smile

"true facts" of life serve their purpose for the people with no subtle senses (sensory deficiency) to wake them up a little:
http://tabloiderro.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/17.jpg
WOW! I knew it! Excellent! Magnific!
3smile
Jan 10 13 08:01 am  Link  Quote 
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JSandersPhotography
Posts: 1,382
Fort Collins, Colorado, US


Ben Hinman wrote:
lately i've been seeing images on modelmayhem that have hundreds of comments and show up in countless lists with everyone commenting "WOW! PERFECT!" or "oh so very sexy" but all i see is naked women licking things normal people wouldn't lick, or taking their tits out in public. And i mean, i'm all for shock value, but isn't there a line? Has photography really degraded from an artistic form with countless standards of excellence to a complete joke, with only one standard--the amount of perverts it turns on or the amount of people it shocks?

What ports are you looking at?  I mean, I see a lot of the nudity (giggity), but I've missed the "licking things."  And I hang out in the weird sections of the forums.  So-links please!

To answer your question, no -sensationalism has yet to begin. 

You've fallen victim to the "Old-Timer's Folly."  Also known as "Back In My Day-itis."  The simple fact is, photography has never been as you say-"an artistic form with countless standards of excellence."  Neither has painting, drawing, sculpture, movies or music.  Simply put, the good lasts, and we forget about the bad.  The only difference today is, more have easier access to creating and displaying, and I don't think that's a bad thing.

Jan 10 13 08:24 am  Link  Quote 
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Jojo West
Posts: 972
Silver Spring, Maryland, US


Everyone's idea of perfection, beauty and art varies. What you may find appalling someone else might think is the most beautiful thing they've seen. The whole "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" thing isn't far fetched. Perception is to blame for that.

Photography, modeling, painting, etc are all forms of expression, so expecting that to fall into a particular set of "standards" is like Congress...pointless (at the moment).

smile
Jan 10 13 08:38 am  Link  Quote 
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